Bush's legacy. ( Archived) (137)

And a MAD magazine and an old dried up apple core....

Mister my mind was set since he run the first time, i will for Rodney dangerfield before him, LMAO. Ok you got me, He didn't have when Bush bully them, Saddam did have when he used against his people and Iran, I hope that make it clear. Thanks.




El Diablo

I prefer Playbody and a apple core WTF i'm from the city, You mean a delicious apple from the supermarket or applesauce.



El Diablo

Sorry again, i mean i will vote for Rodney Dangerfield before vote for him.




El Diablo

I knew what you meant, but Rodney is dead and Mr Bush is no longer elgible.

We now know clearly that Saddam Hussein had zero chemical warfare capability to 'use against our soldiers' or anyone else at the time we invaded. He did have some WWII and earlier mustard gas, essentially unusable. Middel East experts knew that this was the case, but this administration deliberately marginalized them.

There were a lot of lies spread about 'terrorism' -- including hyper-inflated assertions about the nature and magnitude of the threat, e.g. Saddam Hussein was behind the 9/11 attacks -- designed, it would seem, to scaring the American people into doing a bunch of things that were not and are not in our own interests, such as invading Afghanistan and Iraq; illegally kidnapping thousands of people from a dozen or more countries and imprisoning them without charges or due process; alienating our traditional international allies; sending commando teams in to terrorize civilian populations that we suspect of sympathetic of some of the causes espoused by terrorists; support for Israel's repression of the Palestinians, including Israel's 'collective punishment', social destruction, and torture policies; aggressive positions against other Middle Eastern countries; wholesale reduction of the civil rights of Americans; massive build-up of the national debt; a death toll on American soldiers in Iraq now approaching 3,000 with nothin g to show for it against a path that leads to further pointless destruction; hundreds of thousands of Iraqi dead and maimed, including stunning numbers of children and women; etc.

The American people have a right to expect that our leaders will tell the truth, and are inclined to give our presidents the benefit of the doubt. One element of the Bush legancy is that the trust between people and government has been largely destroyed. While ealrier presidents have made big foreign policy mistakes, none, IMO, have so debased the essential trust, this social glue that holds our country together.

It is a sad chapter in American history, and one we will be paying for for decades.

Oceans

SCUDS were only launched at Israel AFTER we invaded in 1991. Israel was attacked as it is seen in the Middle East as a 'supporter' of the US (though in fact we are much more supporters of Israel than than we). This was unfair and dangerous to the Israelis people, who also have a right to be safe, but it would not have happened had the US not attacked Iraq, back then. By the way, I supported that attack on Iraq, in the interest of freeing Kuwait from Iraqi occupation, and still do. But the recent war against Iraq had no justification; it was an act of naked aggression against the Iraqi people. Ugly as he was, the personality and behavior of Saddam Hussein provided no adequate reason for our invasion.

Oceans

Hmmm... We need to pay attanetion to facts, here.

1. The Shah of Iran was long deposed before the Iraqi-Iranian war. While our blind support for the unpopular shah did lead to the taking of our hostages in the US embassy in Tehran during the Carter administration, and this did lead to US support for Saddam Hussein when Iraq attacked Iran, the Shah's role in the current US invasion and occupation of Iraq is nonexistent.

2. Iraq did use gas weapons against Iran (as he did against some Kurdish dissident villages), these were not WMD -- WMD are thos eweapons that can challenge the existence of a state, e.g. nuclear explosives, biologicals that spread to epidemological proportions, of chemicals (like plutonium) that can poisons large protions of a population over long periods of time. To repeat: zero trace of WMD have been found in Iraq. The only Iraqis who said that there might be WMD in Iraq prior to our invasion were Ahmed Challabi and his supporters, who were trying with Israeli and neocon support to goad the US into attacking Iraq.

I hope this helps!

Oceans

Hello, Diablo,
Even peiople who 'love Bush' are no longer claiming that Iraq had WMD. That myth has been fully exploded, among all groups of analysts, US and international, Republican and Democrat, neocon and non-neocon. But there are a lot of decent Americans out there who believed it when the President stated it so vigorously, and some of them who don't follow the question who still do. Of course, there are still some Americans who believe that we did not set foot on the moon, that that was all a hoax. Once a lie has spread through a population it is nearly impossible to reel it back completely.

Oceans