Bush's legacy. ( Archived) (137)

Shock and Awe, The US military is the best in the worldat what they do. He was simply overpowered and unable to mount a response to an air campaign.

We know he had them at one point, we sold them to him in 83' under the Reagan administration.

That's just the start.. grab an online GPS map and look at these sets:

35°18'N 42°37'E
33°21'N 43°46'E
32°28'N 43°39'E
30°46'N 46°29'E
33°12'N 42°28'E
33°50'N 43°46'E

What do they have in common you ask? Chemical weapons plants - I doubt they're making chemical weapons to sell/trade, so we'll rule that one out for the time being.

Some of those were also Iraqi command centers, and 1 or 2 of them also had nuclear warhead capabilities. Do you not see that as a threat to any who he's capable of delivering said things to via rocket, or how who he sells them to could cause a major catastrophe?

Let us examine the rockets for a moment. We'll start with what Saddam had stockpiles of, the scud. All things the same, it had a small delivery range... until you look at a derivative of the Scud-B, and Scud-C. Each of those starts to shift the scale on weight vs. thrust vs. payload. The Hwasong-6, which is a deriv. of the Scud-C, can reach out and touch 500 to 700km. That's a little jaunt, don't you think?

With that, let's take a peek at what Iran and Pakistan have. Their medium-range can reach approx 1,350-1,500km. Can't discount North Korea either, they're working on an FRICBM as we speak with Iran, capable of 8,000-12,000km range. Can anyone say 'glow in the dark'?

My .02

He did use those weapons against US troops, citing:


"Gulf War syndrome (GWS) or Gulf War illness (GWI) is the name given to an illness with symptoms including increases in the rate of immune system disorders and birth defects, reported by combat veterans of the 1991 Gulf War. It has not always been clear whether these symptoms were related to Gulf War service. Symptoms attributed to this syndrome have been wide-ranging, including chronic fatigue, loss of muscle control, migraines and other headaches, dizziness and loss of balance, memory problems, muscle and joint pain, indigestion, skin problems, and shortness of breath. U.S. Gulf War veterans have experienced mortality rates exceeding those of U.S. Vietnam veterans. Brain cancer deaths, amyotrophic lateral sclerosis (commonly known as Lou Gehrig's disease) and fibromyalgia are now recognized by the Defense and Veterans Affairs departments as potentially connected to service during the Persian Gulf War."

I think you will find that the most dangerous weapon used in Iraq are the ones employing DU (depleted uranium)..

And all the TLC the vets are getting when they return, maimed and mutilated, ensures a growing caduality rate..

Frankly, Prof..I am surprised that an astute person, such as yourself, is buying into the crap about weapons, when this evidence has been de-bunked so many times..Even de-bunked my hard core Republicans!

Yup, I big ole fat Banjo tucked right there underneath his bed.....

Do you think that troops would magically make up something like that, and start keeling over on their own? Think about it a moment. Also think about a ruthless dictator, who has killed 1000's of his own and just put them in piles.. do you think he's not capable of doing such a thing with bio/chem weapons?

I think you have managed to completely underestimate the twisted psychosis this man possessed, and how he didn't give a damn about anyone, or anything but himself.

If we didn't sell them the items in 83', why would we make something like that up to make the US look bad? Why would he have agreed with us, and what would be the purpose of both sides lying?

That's ridiculous. Shock and awe didn't prevent him from getting off whatever arsenal he had at his disposal. He didn't use any WMDs because he didn't have any. The UN inspectors were right all along.

Yes TheProfesor has solved the case of the missing WMDs. Something that the CIA, NSA, MI and number of other intelligence services couldn't achieve. If only the Bush folks had turned to Connecting Singles they would have had conclusive proof.

Lack of attention to detail.. tsk tsk.. I said he had them at one point, and we knew that because we sold them to him. At no point did I say he had any made or any existed, I just gave GPS coords on the chem weapons factories capable of it.