The Law of Diminishing Returns (14)
Nothing Bush does makes any sense. He's a sick man.
He's no a diplomat. It's that simple.
All he knows is brute force.
Nothing will get better until November 2008 unfortunately.
And then we'll probably just get stuck with another idiot in charge!
We haven't had a really good president in a long time.
Most were simply ineffective and inefficient.
Bush was a total disaster!
He did more damage that I even care to post about.
I also seriously don't even want to argue with people about it.
As far as I'm concerned anyone who supports Bush's policies isn't even worth talking to.
He's no a diplomat. It's that simple.
All he knows is brute force.
Nothing will get better until November 2008 unfortunately.
And then we'll probably just get stuck with another idiot in charge!
We haven't had a really good president in a long time.
Most were simply ineffective and inefficient.
Bush was a total disaster!
He did more damage that I even care to post about.
I also seriously don't even want to argue with people about it.
As far as I'm concerned anyone who supports Bush's policies isn't even worth talking to.
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Wouldn't surprize me.
Where did you find this? Do you have a link?
Where did you find this? Do you have a link?
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time for a mass exodus eh?
what bothers me are the war crimes.... seriously and the war crimes of the Israelis..who every day shoot and kill women and children by the 3's so it won't get public attention....
i am sick and disgusted with american policy and government.... in so many countries the people do get up off their butts and make noise, risk safty, risk themselves for a better future...american's used to do that too till the Patriot act came and took away your freedom of speech...i have a friend, a journalist who is in jail right now for advocating impeachment of bush and cheney.... the FBI offered him a bribe to hand over information concerning anarchistic tactics to impeach the president and he refused and now sits in jail with a bail too high to post and no light in sight till july of 2007...
it's overwhelming for me.... i get sick to my stomach just reading this...
did you know they offer 50,000 cash dollars to the boys when they return home...to re-enlist!!??....after they have recruited them from poverty stricken neighborhoods....what do you think they will answer to that!!??
what bothers me are the war crimes.... seriously and the war crimes of the Israelis..who every day shoot and kill women and children by the 3's so it won't get public attention....
i am sick and disgusted with american policy and government.... in so many countries the people do get up off their butts and make noise, risk safty, risk themselves for a better future...american's used to do that too till the Patriot act came and took away your freedom of speech...i have a friend, a journalist who is in jail right now for advocating impeachment of bush and cheney.... the FBI offered him a bribe to hand over information concerning anarchistic tactics to impeach the president and he refused and now sits in jail with a bail too high to post and no light in sight till july of 2007...
it's overwhelming for me.... i get sick to my stomach just reading this...
did you know they offer 50,000 cash dollars to the boys when they return home...to re-enlist!!??....after they have recruited them from poverty stricken neighborhoods....what do you think they will answer to that!!??
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I don't honestly have anything good to say about the USA, as the patriot act prohibited me from even opening my mouth on the subject!
A country founded on the principle of free speech and free expression of that speech...thats MY country....religious and political exiles all....now being persecuted and prosecuted for doing the very thing we all came here for....
Ironic? No, just sad....
A country founded on the principle of free speech and free expression of that speech...thats MY country....religious and political exiles all....now being persecuted and prosecuted for doing the very thing we all came here for....
Ironic? No, just sad....
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Unfortunately there have been war crimes by a few and they get all the headlines. I make no exccuse for those people and they will be dealt with. The rest of the men and women in uniform are doing their jobs the best they can and within the rules of the Geneva convention.
I don't know how you figure the patriot act with the loss of freedom of speech. Seems everyone on this site and others like it are free to say whatever they want. Same's true in the U.S. I simple skim through the news channels will show you that. Sorry to hear about your journalist friend but if he's in jail he more than likely did something more than advocate for the impeechment of the pres and his vice. There are groups in and out of the US that look after people's rights.
They don't offer 50K to troops when they return home to re-enlist. They offer enlistment and reenlistment bonuses as an incentive. They are based on career field/MOS/AFSC and they have been doing this for at least the last 25 years.
Like others, you may not like US policy but let's try to at least give information that's accurate.
I don't know how you figure the patriot act with the loss of freedom of speech. Seems everyone on this site and others like it are free to say whatever they want. Same's true in the U.S. I simple skim through the news channels will show you that. Sorry to hear about your journalist friend but if he's in jail he more than likely did something more than advocate for the impeechment of the pres and his vice. There are groups in and out of the US that look after people's rights.
They don't offer 50K to troops when they return home to re-enlist. They offer enlistment and reenlistment bonuses as an incentive. They are based on career field/MOS/AFSC and they have been doing this for at least the last 25 years.
Like others, you may not like US policy but let's try to at least give information that's accurate.
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It is all for ego, now. Bush's ego, the neocon ego, the Karl Rove ego... It is money down the drain, and actually funds activities that are making the situation worse, not better.
They squander our resources as if they grow on trees.
Oceans
They squander our resources as if they grow on trees.
Oceans
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Sad;y trees are being squandered too......
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Oceans, I don't know about that. It seems as though the people are needed, particularly in Afghanistan.
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Hi, Jerry,
Needed, by what criterion? That is the problem. We will not succeed in occupying Afghanistan indefinitely, so it can't be for that. Karzai himself has walked away from the US/NATO goals.
The problem is, I think, that we put troops in for ill-conceived objectives, then when we find that we are still being resisted, we put more troops in becuase we don't want to admit that we have no business being there in the first place.
What was our reason for invading Afghanistan? Do we even remember? Are we still tehre simply because we never really defined what 'vistory' there was, and so don't know when to get out? If we put more troops in, will that diminish the lack of poltiical clarity as to why we are there?
The problem here in Washington is that there is no -- no -- coherent discussion of this. The politicians sense pending failure in both Iraq and Afghanistan, and they don't want it to happen 'on their watch.' So they escalate and throw more troops in so as to put off the day of reckoning. It happened in Viet Nam, and thosands of US troops died for nothing, to say nothing of hundreds of thousand of Viet Namese.
Americans don't want to face the bitter truth: we were and are badly led; we were lied to, as was Congress, and we were put in a no-win situation (and a don't-deserve-to-win situation, I would argue). So, appropriately, we are losing and no amount of additional money and additional troops are going to turn it around. Bush's rhetoric in his State of the Union address was an exercise in ego. He was basically pleading, 'Don't let us be officially defeated on my watch! Let it drag on and become the next president's problem!'
No, I think it is time to cut our losses. America is not omnipotent, and it is time that we abandon the pretense that we are so.
Oceans
Needed, by what criterion? That is the problem. We will not succeed in occupying Afghanistan indefinitely, so it can't be for that. Karzai himself has walked away from the US/NATO goals.
The problem is, I think, that we put troops in for ill-conceived objectives, then when we find that we are still being resisted, we put more troops in becuase we don't want to admit that we have no business being there in the first place.
What was our reason for invading Afghanistan? Do we even remember? Are we still tehre simply because we never really defined what 'vistory' there was, and so don't know when to get out? If we put more troops in, will that diminish the lack of poltiical clarity as to why we are there?
The problem here in Washington is that there is no -- no -- coherent discussion of this. The politicians sense pending failure in both Iraq and Afghanistan, and they don't want it to happen 'on their watch.' So they escalate and throw more troops in so as to put off the day of reckoning. It happened in Viet Nam, and thosands of US troops died for nothing, to say nothing of hundreds of thousand of Viet Namese.
Americans don't want to face the bitter truth: we were and are badly led; we were lied to, as was Congress, and we were put in a no-win situation (and a don't-deserve-to-win situation, I would argue). So, appropriately, we are losing and no amount of additional money and additional troops are going to turn it around. Bush's rhetoric in his State of the Union address was an exercise in ego. He was basically pleading, 'Don't let us be officially defeated on my watch! Let it drag on and become the next president's problem!'
No, I think it is time to cut our losses. America is not omnipotent, and it is time that we abandon the pretense that we are so.
Oceans
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Wow! With such radical extremist views like that, some super patriot may report you to the National Neighborhood Watch currently still funded by the Department of Justice....as in the infamous case of the 60 year old man in San Francisco, Barry Reingold who was "visited" by the FBI for expressing doubts on the War Against Terrorism...He was reported by his fellow members of his health club and countless others....what was the old Pogo cartoon line about "we have met the enemy, and they is us.".....
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Will they want sugar with their coffee?
Actually, I give fairly high visibility briefings on these questions to US government people. They can just come to those and put their hands up like everyone else. Always glad to chat with those who can make a difference.
Oceans
Actually, I give fairly high visibility briefings on these questions to US government people. They can just come to those and put their hands up like everyone else. Always glad to chat with those who can make a difference.
Oceans
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I am also disgusted with our President and his personal war. I personally know of many young soldiers that are equally sick about this war. Many do not believe in what they are doing and that is a fact. At least in Iraq.
They do offer incentive to inlist and reinlist. Not necessarily when returning form that war. Just period. It is a shame that they have to do that though to get people to join in our military. If it were'nt for Bushes war, I think more would join. But, there is too much fear. My youngest son just reinlisted, little butthead. I am sick about this. Yes, there is a rather large incentive. He says he loves what he does, but not that war. Yes, he will get a 50,000 dollar inlistment incentive. But, they tax that almost half. No kidding.
There is a way to be heard, but the time is running out to be heard. I think the letters are being presented tomorrow, maybe later. I can't remember. I have made my voice be one of those that will be heard from Congress. Trying to stop this deployment to Iraq. So, there is a movement to stop this madness. One just has to be serious wanting to be a part of it. As of late there are hundreds of thousands signing a petition to go to Legislation and Congress.
I have too many boys in the service and want them safely home right along with every other mothers children.
I don't understand the friend being jailed simply on wanting to impeach this President. Must be more to that. There is no law keeping us from having a voice. And if this is in fact the absolute truth; then what is keeping people from hitting the net and making something happen? This net age is getting things done in light speed.
Put it out there with the facts and make it happen. Just saying.
Kat
They do offer incentive to inlist and reinlist. Not necessarily when returning form that war. Just period. It is a shame that they have to do that though to get people to join in our military. If it were'nt for Bushes war, I think more would join. But, there is too much fear. My youngest son just reinlisted, little butthead. I am sick about this. Yes, there is a rather large incentive. He says he loves what he does, but not that war. Yes, he will get a 50,000 dollar inlistment incentive. But, they tax that almost half. No kidding.
There is a way to be heard, but the time is running out to be heard. I think the letters are being presented tomorrow, maybe later. I can't remember. I have made my voice be one of those that will be heard from Congress. Trying to stop this deployment to Iraq. So, there is a movement to stop this madness. One just has to be serious wanting to be a part of it. As of late there are hundreds of thousands signing a petition to go to Legislation and Congress.
I have too many boys in the service and want them safely home right along with every other mothers children.
I don't understand the friend being jailed simply on wanting to impeach this President. Must be more to that. There is no law keeping us from having a voice. And if this is in fact the absolute truth; then what is keeping people from hitting the net and making something happen? This net age is getting things done in light speed.
Put it out there with the facts and make it happen. Just saying.
Kat
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I think some have lost sight of the reasoning but I remember. The reason was basically that Afghanistan had become a base for terrorists (Osama bin Laden and Al-Qaeda training camps). The Taliban welcomed him, allowed him to set up training camps and plan their attacks with little fear because other countries would not enter Afghanistan. So essentially, we went in there to hunt, capture and Kill Osama, and destroy as much of Al Qaeda and the Taliban as we could.
We all know we didn't get Osama but we did have success with the rest until we diverted our attention to Iraq.
Ill conceived? Keeping in mind the nation was inflamed about the 9/11 attacks you could probably say so. People/nations that react on emotion don't generally make rational decisions. We have now had a lot of time to sit back and evaluate decisions made by our government and found errors.
Having said that I can't see how that results in the people and congress being lied to. I think the facts of OBL and AQ are undeniable. They launched an attack on the US and the Taliban provided a safe haven. If we don't believe that the attacks were completed by them then we have to go with one of the many conspiracy theories that are out there.
I want the troops out of there as well but it's not going to be as easy as these up and coming presidential hopefuls and other think. We as nation are in this up to our necks and we need to think of a smart way out. Abandoning those places especially before they are able to protect themselves will be tragic and we will be responsible.
Anyway, enough seriousness. Enjoy your trip, be safe
We all know we didn't get Osama but we did have success with the rest until we diverted our attention to Iraq.
Ill conceived? Keeping in mind the nation was inflamed about the 9/11 attacks you could probably say so. People/nations that react on emotion don't generally make rational decisions. We have now had a lot of time to sit back and evaluate decisions made by our government and found errors.
Having said that I can't see how that results in the people and congress being lied to. I think the facts of OBL and AQ are undeniable. They launched an attack on the US and the Taliban provided a safe haven. If we don't believe that the attacks were completed by them then we have to go with one of the many conspiracy theories that are out there.
I want the troops out of there as well but it's not going to be as easy as these up and coming presidential hopefuls and other think. We as nation are in this up to our necks and we need to think of a smart way out. Abandoning those places especially before they are able to protect themselves will be tragic and we will be responsible.
Anyway, enough seriousness. Enjoy your trip, be safe
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That's our tax dollars, yours and mine. The GDP of Iraq in 2005 was $94 billion and the GDP of Afghanistan was $21 billion. We're proposing to spend nearly the equivalent of the combined GDP of those two countries on fighting wars there in 2007. Where's the sense in that?