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kidatheart: People seem to have forgotten about Algeria, but I guess that's in the past, so it doesn't matter. Doesn't justify anything, but it does make one wonder.
Algeria was once a French Colony,, that was the time of colinizations,, as it was not only France have outside territories,,but when the FLN,,wworked for the Algerian autonmy and freedom ,, FRANCE left ,,
and it think up to now, we could see how the FLN managed with that freedom,, look at THE Algeria at the moment,? what progress did they have since??? and when France left . . . .
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,,Upon independence, in 1962, 900,000 European-Algerians (Pieds-noirs) fled to France, in fear of the FLN's revenge, within a few months. The government was totally unprepared for the vast number of refugees, causing turmoil in France. The majority of Algerian Muslims who had worked for the French, were disarmed and left behind as the treaty between French and Algerian authorities declared that no actions could be taken against them. However, the Harkis in particular, having served as auxiliaries with the French army, were regarded as traitors by the FLN and between 50,000 and 150,000 Harkis and family members were murdered by the FLN or lynch-mobs, often after being abducted and tortured. About 91,000 managed to flee to France, some with help from their French officers acting against orders, and today they and their descendants form a significant part of the Algerian-French population.
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For me, i think it is is imprative ,, to understand/differentiate ISLAM AND ISLAMIC STATE
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How Islamic Is the Islamic State? Not at All.
What The Atlantic got wrong about ISIS
It is difficult to forget the names, or the images, of James Foley, Steven Sotloff, David Haines, Alan Henning and Peter Kassig. The barbaric beheadings between August and November 2014, in cold blood and on camera, of these five jumpsuit-clad western hostages by the self-styled Islamic State, or ISIS, provoked widespread outrage and condemnation.
However, we should also remember the name of Didier François, a French journalist who was held by ISIS in Syria for ten months before being released in April 2014. François has since given us a rare insight into life inside what the Atlantic’s Graeme Wood, in a recent report for the magazine, has called the “hermit kingdom” of ISIS, where “few have gone . . . and returned.” And it is an insight that threatens to turn the conventional wisdom about the world’s most fearsome terrorist organisation on its head.
“There was never really discussion about texts,” the French journalist told CNN’s Christiane Amanpour last month, referring to his captors. “It was not a religious discussion. It was a political discussion.”
According to François, “It was more hammering what they were believing than teaching us about the Quran. Because it has nothing to do with the Quran.” And the former hostage revealed to a startled Amanpour: “We didn’t even have the Quran. They didn’t want even to give us a Quran.”
The rise of ISIS in Iraq and Syria has been a disaster for the public image of Islam—and a boon for the Islamophobia industry. Here, after all, is a group that calls itself Islamic State; that claims the support of Islamic texts to justify its medieval punishments, from the stoning of adulterers to the amputation of the hands of thieves; and that has a leader with a PhD in Islamic studies who declares himself to be a “caliph,” or ruler over all Muslims, and has even renamed himself in honour of the first Muslim caliph, Abu Bakr.
AFP/Getty
How Islamic Is the Islamic State? Not at All.
What The Atlantic got wrong about ISIS
It is difficult to forget the names, or the images, of James Foley, Steven Sotloff, David Haines, Alan Henning and Peter Kassig. The barbaric beheadings between August and November 2014, in cold blood and on camera, of these five jumpsuit-clad western hostages by the self-styled Islamic State, or ISIS, provoked widespread outrage and condemnation.
However, we should also remember the name of Didier François, a French journalist who was held by ISIS in Syria for ten months before being released in April 2014. François has since given us a rare insight into life inside what the Atlantic’s Graeme Wood, in a recent report for the magazine, has called the “hermit kingdom” of ISIS, where “few have gone . . . and returned.” And it is an insight that threatens to turn the conventional wisdom about the world’s most fearsome terrorist organisation on its head.
“There was never really discussion about texts,” the French journalist told CNN’s Christiane Amanpour last month, referring to his captors. “It was not a religious discussion. It was a political discussion.”
According to François, “It was more hammering what they were believing than teaching us about the Quran. Because it has nothing to do with the Quran.” And the former hostage revealed to a startled Amanpour: “We didn’t even have the Quran. They didn’t want even to give us a Quran.”
The rise of ISIS in Iraq and Syria has been a disaster for the public image of Islam—and a boon for the Islamophobia industry. Here, after all, is a group that calls itself Islamic State; that claims the support of Islamic texts to justify its medieval punishments, from the stoning of adulterers to the amputation of the hands of thieves; and that has a leader with a PhD in Islamic studies who declares himself to be a “caliph,” or ruler over all Muslims, and has even renamed himself in honour of the first Muslim caliph, Abu Bakr.
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According to François, “It was more hammering what they were believing than teaching us about the Quran. Because it has nothing to do with the Quran.” And the former hostage revealed to a startled Amanpour: “We didn’t even have the Quran. They didn’t want even to give us a Quran.”
The rise of ISIS in Iraq and Syria has been a disaster for the public image of Islam—and a boon for the Islamophobia industry. Here, after all, is a group that calls itself Islamic State; that claims the support of Islamic texts to justify its medieval punishments, from the stoning of adulterers to the amputation of the hands of thieves; and that has a leader with a PhD in Islamic studies who declares himself to be a “caliph,” or ruler over all Muslims, and has even renamed himself in honour of the first Muslim caliph, Abu Bakr.
The rise of ISIS in Iraq and Syria has been a disaster for the public image of Islam—and a boon for the Islamophobia industry. Here, after all, is a group that calls itself Islamic State; that claims the support of Islamic texts to justify its medieval punishments, from the stoning of adulterers to the amputation of the hands of thieves; and that has a leader with a PhD in Islamic studies who declares himself to be a “caliph,” or ruler over all Muslims, and has even renamed himself in honour of the first Muslim caliph, Abu Bakr.
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Babettefr: kaetch,,
You might be aware how money circulates/control in the world of sports,, i have heard too the case similar as to how Germany bribed the sports community, well anyway,, corruption, nobody's clean on that.
As for Qatar,, i'm focusing my point on the interior control and business claimate in this country,, (as it is the point of depart,, the muslim community),,,if they corrupt the world,, then it's the fault of those accept their bribes.
You might be aware how money circulates/control in the world of sports,, i have heard too the case similar as to how Germany bribed the sports community, well anyway,, corruption, nobody's clean on that.
As for Qatar,, i'm focusing my point on the interior control and business claimate in this country,, (as it is the point of depart,, the muslim community),,,if they corrupt the world,, then it's the fault of those accept their bribes.
Babette, I don't know how many are there non-muslims millionares or billioners living in Qatar, but they put their money or assets or investment in the country, of course these kind of things will not be refused by Qatar or in any other islamic countries. But, letting these non-muslims people to be leaders or take control of power in islamic countries? That would be impossible.
I am aware of the caught in Aachen yesterday. I wished that our authority could raid all mosques throughout Germany to find potential good muslims practicing islamic teachings and to ban forever Salafist activists in the country.
I was not surprised about the caught in Molenbeek, there were many good muslims as well that have sworn they would make Belgium another islamic state under islamic control, under the teachings of koran. I am also aware the royal family in UK was suggested to convert to islam by an islam preacher.
The pattern is actually talking similar thing here: power of islam. Be it ISIS or islam, they are both the same. If there is no islam, there will be no IS. Declaring that muslims are peaceful is not changing the fact that teaching in islam encouraged muslims to hate non-muslims. Peace and tolerance of muslims only lies within their circles and is spoken or encouraged when muslims are minority.
Yes, Germans are aware of the corruptions happened in our football associations and it is a shame that we do not try to cover or to deny at all, for this reason Wolfgang Niersbach, the ex-president of DFB stepped back this month. We don't stand behind him and hope this case is solved properly through our legal system, so is the case for Beckenbauer.
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Babettefr: According to François, “It was more hammering what they were believing than teaching us about the Quran. Because it has nothing to do with the Quran.” And the former hostage revealed to a startled Amanpour: “We didn’t even have the Quran. They didn’t want even to give us a Quran.”
The rise of ISIS in Iraq and Syria has been a disaster for the public image of Islam—and a boon for the Islamophobia industry. Here, after all, is a group that calls itself Islamic State; that claims the support of Islamic texts to justify its medieval punishments, from the stoning of adulterers to the amputation of the hands of thieves; and that has a leader with a PhD in Islamic studies who declares himself to be a “caliph,” or ruler over all Muslims, and has even renamed himself in honour of the first Muslim caliph, Abu Bakr.
The rise of ISIS in Iraq and Syria has been a disaster for the public image of Islam—and a boon for the Islamophobia industry. Here, after all, is a group that calls itself Islamic State; that claims the support of Islamic texts to justify its medieval punishments, from the stoning of adulterers to the amputation of the hands of thieves; and that has a leader with a PhD in Islamic studies who declares himself to be a “caliph,” or ruler over all Muslims, and has even renamed himself in honour of the first Muslim caliph, Abu Bakr.
It would be better for the much, much larger group of non-violent caliphaters if ISIS would disappear off the radar. Democracy through the womb relies upon remaining under the radar.
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TheRedSquirrel87: It would be better for the much, much larger group of non-violent caliphaters if ISIS would disappear off the radar. Democracy through the womb relies upon remaining under the radar.
However, this depends how we react to the existence of ISIS on the radar. To liberals and the status-quo ISIS require another desert bombing sortie to achieve little except inspiring the hatred of regular muslims whilst keeping the borders well open.
The liberals seem to want to swing to the Right on foreign policy by copying Bush after 9/11 whilst retaining the extreme Left-wing politics at home. The answer to our problems is the reverse. We need to swing to the Left on foreign affairs and keep our beaks out of where they're not wanted, and swing to the Right on home affairs to bring our house into order.
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kaetchenvonhn: I can't send my sympathy to terrorists. Their deaths are consequence of what they have done last Friday.
kaetch,,
Who could be in threir right minds could have symphathy to those terrorists? ,,
Personally,, i myself have installed in me a viewpoint,, as to who exactly are terrorists and who aren't, this issue is too important, specially for those who are personally concerned.
People from this forums can express whatever they believe, they fell, they read/heard, it's thier own prerrogative, other's may agree other's don't.
Now for my part, i always give enough time to understand with objectivity and filter everything so as not to follow a crowd's thinking,, because each and everyone here are not experiencing exactly the same things ,, other's are just symphatizers,, as others are victims.
As what i had related regarding this thread are substantial as am maybe the nearest person (in this forum),,, to have the direct access to reportage from victims as well as analysis coming from the general/neutral opinions, though i am never neglecting/condemning sources coming up from somewhere.
I have expressed my stand and conviction,, as other did,,
What i am considering as a great failure,,, is the society or why not the humanity itself ???
Maybe time now to look into the root cause of this problem.
Education, culture, society,, everything must be put into question,,
where did the leaders fail,, how does citizens of it's country had developed such hatred ,, do we have in our own society,, people who feels neglected and set aside ? ,,, in a smallest unit of a society,,, the family ,, if we neglected or abandon one of our kids for whatever reason there might be ,, chances are ,, they will hate their parents/family,, society is the same,, just in a bigger dimension,, but then individual behavior counts,, that's why i don't see a religion, or a race,,in it's generality,, it's a dangerous attitude, and society is starting to pay for it's errors. It's my stand ,,,
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TheRedSquirrel87: However, this depends how we react to the existence of ISIS on the radar. To liberals and the status-quo ISIS require another desert bombing sortie to achieve little except inspiring the hatred of regular muslims whilst keeping the borders well open.
The liberals seem to want to swing to the Right on foreign policy by copying Bush after 9/11 whilst retaining the extreme Left-wing politics at home. The answer to our problems is the reverse. We need to swing to the Left on foreign affairs and keep our beaks out of where they're not wanted, and swing to the Right on home affairs to bring our house into order.
The liberals seem to want to swing to the Right on foreign policy by copying Bush after 9/11 whilst retaining the extreme Left-wing politics at home. The answer to our problems is the reverse. We need to swing to the Left on foreign affairs and keep our beaks out of where they're not wanted, and swing to the Right on home affairs to bring our house into order.
Yet this time around I believe it will be impossible to simply bomb the middle east whilst resisting all change at home. Bombing somebody else is usually the method by which we avoid developing our own attitudes and society, but this time there's too much popular will to ignore the calls for tighter borders and a re-think on multi-culti.
Bubba will be deliriously distracted by a desert bombing sortie, but not to the extent that he forgets that he wants his country back. However much joy he extracts from annihilating another culture this will be not be a substitute for not having his own.
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TheRedSquirrel87: However, this depends how we react to the existence of ISIS on the radar. To liberals and the status-quo ISIS require another desert bombing sortie to achieve little except inspiring the hatred of regular muslims whilst keeping the borders well open.
The liberals seem to want to swing to the Right on foreign policy by copying Bush after 9/11 whilst retaining the extreme Left-wing politics at home. The answer to our problems is the reverse. We need to swing to the Left on foreign affairs and keep our beaks out of where they're not wanted, and swing to the Right on home affairs to bring our house into order.
The liberals seem to want to swing to the Right on foreign policy by copying Bush after 9/11 whilst retaining the extreme Left-wing politics at home. The answer to our problems is the reverse. We need to swing to the Left on foreign affairs and keep our beaks out of where they're not wanted, and swing to the Right on home affairs to bring our house into order.
This is exactly one of the right attitude that merits a reflection. When events like this occurs,, everybody has the tendency to focus their objectives to the emotional side of it,, and it's human,, just that some leaders on the front line organize themselves to destroy outside elements for revenge,,, in the while,, they didn't realize the next assault will be from inside/from it's own citizens,,born and grown up in their respective countries as what had happened in PARIS.
So many are directing their blames on ISLAM as the creator of those devils ,, but it is somewhat clear that ISIS/TERRORITS has it's own ISLAM. This an important point to consider, as it is a concrete declaration of some who were able to escape from their claws.
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Babettefr: This is exactly one of the right attitude that merits a reflection. When events like this occurs,, everybody has the tendency to focus their objectives to the emotional side of it,, and it's human,, just that some leaders on the front line organize themselves to destroy outside elements for revenge,,, in the while,, they didn't realize the next assault will be from inside/from it's own citizens,,born and grown up in their respective countries as what had happened in PARIS.
So many are directing their blames on ISLAM as the creator of those devils ,, but it is somewhat clear that ISIS/TERRORITS has it's own ISLAM. This an important point to consider, as it is a concrete declaration of some who were able to escape from their claws.
So many are directing their blames on ISLAM as the creator of those devils ,, but it is somewhat clear that ISIS/TERRORITS has it's own ISLAM. This an important point to consider, as it is a concrete declaration of some who were able to escape from their claws.
Babette, you just baptised islam to have a branch of a new faith, IS's islam. Unbelievable.
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Babettefr: This is exactly one of the right attitude that merits a reflection. When events like this occurs,, everybody has the tendency to focus their objectives to the emotional side of it,, and it's human,, just that some leaders on the front line organize themselves to destroy outside elements for revenge,,, in the while,, they didn't realize the next assault will be from inside/from it's own citizens,,born and grown up in their respective countries as what had happened in PARIS.
So many are directing their blames on ISLAM as the creator of those devils ,, but it is somewhat clear that ISIS/TERRORITS has it's own ISLAM. This an important point to consider, as it is a concrete declaration of some who were able to escape from their claws.
So many are directing their blames on ISLAM as the creator of those devils ,, but it is somewhat clear that ISIS/TERRORITS has it's own ISLAM. This an important point to consider, as it is a concrete declaration of some who were able to escape from their claws.
The killing of Charlie Hebdo, which islam have done it? islam islam or islam IS?
Unbelievable
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kaetchenvonhn: Babette, you just baptised islam to have a branch of a new faith, IS's islam. Unbelievable.
kaetch ,,,
That french journalist who had been under the ISIS captivity for 10
months,, i believe in his analysis. i don't baptize islam,, nor hate,, nor condemn,, i'm living in a society where people practice islam and i feel safe ,,
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Babettefr: This is exactly one of the right attitude that merits a reflection. When events like this occurs,, everybody has the tendency to focus their objectives to the emotional side of it,, and it's human,, just that some leaders on the front line organize themselves to destroy outside elements for revenge,,, in the while,, they didn't realize the next assault will be from inside/from it's own citizens,,born and grown up in their respective countries as what had happened in PARIS.
So many are directing their blames on ISLAM as the creator of those devils ,, but it is somewhat clear that ISIS/TERRORITS has it's own ISLAM. This an important point to consider, as it is a concrete declaration of some who were able to escape from their claws.
So many are directing their blames on ISLAM as the creator of those devils ,, but it is somewhat clear that ISIS/TERRORITS has it's own ISLAM. This an important point to consider, as it is a concrete declaration of some who were able to escape from their claws.
We need to channel the emotional response to keep it at home where the heart is. Use the outcry to make us more vigilant and in command in our own lands where we have both cause and need.
And Islam in all forms from it's friendly large minority, creepy ruling majority, and extreme violent fringes have their own Islam. Religion is man-made.
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