Self-preservation ( Archived) (81)

Mar 16, 2007 11:28 AM CST Self-preservation
sexysweeti
sexysweetisexysweetiClinton, USA22 Threads 1,788 Posts
How do you describe self-preservation? Is it fear and pain that we do not want to accept? Do addictions stem from the need for self-preservation? What is the cure? Why do we put up so much resistance?
Why is it so hard to let go?

If you attempt to answer any or all of these questions, I appreciate your insights.
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Mar 16, 2007 11:34 AM CST Self-preservation
shyone57
shyone57shyone57Kilkenny, Ireland14 Threads 2,037 Posts
It is a natural act. Your mind only lets you cope with as much as you can take at the time.
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Mar 16, 2007 11:35 AM CST Self-preservation
bulldog66
bulldog66bulldog66doncaster, UK35 Threads 3,680 Posts
sorry thought it was a thread about the italian job .........whoopsblushing
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Mar 16, 2007 11:38 AM CST Self-preservation
Lightening
LighteningLighteningHuntsville, Alabama USA2,122 Posts
Self preservation is when we do everything in our power to protect ourself from danger, better ourself, and do what is the best for ourself...conversing
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Mar 16, 2007 11:39 AM CST Self-preservation
FindMe1113
FindMe1113FindMe1113Bronx, USA11 Threads 1,171 Posts
I believe that "Self-Preservation" is a sub-conscious defense mechanism created within one's self to protect from emotional stress or pain....JMO...grin
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Mar 16, 2007 11:46 AM CST Self-preservation
sexysweeti
sexysweetisexysweetiClinton, USA22 Threads 1,788 Posts
I agree. But sometimes I feel so slow at letting go. I mean I will eventually but I usually get there with much resistance, kicking and screaming and holding on as tight I can until I wear myself out. sigh
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Mar 16, 2007 11:47 AM CST Self-preservation
artgurl0927
artgurl0927artgurl0927Heart of the Valley, Canada12 Threads 2,442 Posts
I think it all boils down to fear of some kind.

Some fear is good and useful - it is what prevents us from walking in front of a bus. Other times fears keep us from living a full expression of ourselves. Fear of rejection so we don't take the chance. Fear of being judged so we live a smaller life. The list is endless.

We are a culture that embraces pleasure and that runs from that which we deem unpleasant. Addiction, in part, is one way to avoid feeling and delays having to deal with the emotions you are suppressing. I say delays because your body just stores them to be dealt with later. You cannot avoid it. You will deal with your stuff ... now or later ... the choice is yours.

I think people put up such perceived resistance because behaviour is primarily driven by unconscious beliefs. And if those beliefs are not in line with what you hold in your conscious mind then behaviour will be driven by the unconscious. If you believe something about yourself yet your behaviour isn't consistent with that - it is a pretty good indicator that you have some excavating to do.
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Mar 16, 2007 11:48 AM CST Self-preservation
Jess642
Jess642Jess642Agnes Water, Australia25 Threads 4,545 Posts
My thoughts and feelings...

Self-preservation...to protect oneself from harm...

Fear and pain...both physical and emotional, are definately factors that would encourage self-preservation.

Addictions...to numb or sedate pain to the pshyche, or emotional state, that is too unbearable to face...


Sadly, one has to face the pain, the damage and make a decision to go through the process...feel the pain and then let it go..reject it from having impact on your life, every moment, being vigilant in making gentle choices for yourself...good choices.

Resistance....addictions are habits...and I mean habitual behaviours, until a dependency on those behaviours become part of one's day to day existance.

Resistance to pain? Resistance to having to feel it all?

Developing habits to numb and sedate the pain...

If you have a toothache, an exposed nerve, you reach for pain relief...however, that only masks the pain...

To have the tooth healed is to end the pain. To have the nerve removed...

Probably not a great analogy...but it is late here...forgive me.


We can never remove our past...we can only accept it...accept it as past, once we have processed and grieved....and hopefully to let it go...


I don't know if this in any way helps...but I do hope so...

hug
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Mar 16, 2007 11:48 AM CST Self-preservation
Musicalle
MusicalleMusicalleHalifax, Nova Scotia Canada19 Threads 415 Posts
Well, the key is ... as you have said... You let go eventually... which is better than not letting go at all....

Some people take longer to reach their 'bottom' than others....

Just my humble opine..hug
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Mar 16, 2007 11:50 AM CST Self-preservation
cardsfan23
cardsfan23cardsfan23somewhere, USA23 Threads 4,228 Posts
Im sorry i have no clue what it means?? I know i have been reading this thread and still have no definition...so i cant answer, but i will be watching to learn.
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Mar 16, 2007 11:51 AM CST Self-preservation
sexysweeti
sexysweetisexysweetiClinton, USA22 Threads 1,788 Posts
I agree with everything you said but this is the hard part.

"I think people put up such perceived resistance because behaviour is primarily driven by unconscious beliefs. And if those beliefs are not in line with what you hold in your conscious mind then behaviour will be driven by the unconscious. If you believe something about yourself yet your behaviour isn't consistent with that - it is a pretty good indicator that you have some excavating to do."

Changing the beliefs. how do you change unconscious beliefs?
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Mar 16, 2007 11:54 AM CST Self-preservation
sexysweeti
sexysweetisexysweetiClinton, USA22 Threads 1,788 Posts
Yeah, I know I wait until reality slaps me so hard in the face that it knocsk me unconscious and then I wake up just a little bit wiser.
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Mar 16, 2007 11:56 AM CST Self-preservation
adj4u
adj4uadj4unorth central, USA4,943 Posts
i would answer this thread but

i don't think i am ready

to let go of that info

sigh sigh
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Mar 16, 2007 12:02 PM CST Self-preservation
adj4u
adj4uadj4unorth central, USA4,943 Posts
i guess i need a vacation

sigh sigh
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Mar 16, 2007 12:04 PM CST Self-preservation
Musicalle
MusicalleMusicalleHalifax, Nova Scotia Canada19 Threads 415 Posts
comfort canada
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Mar 16, 2007 12:06 PM CST Self-preservation
longingformyluv
longingformyluvlongingformyluvPittsburgh, USA39 Threads 3,355 Posts
Wow! Just so you don't feel alone on this one...I'm the same way!!! I will probably from hereonin partly hang on...to avoid falling flat AGAIN! Only time will tell and new experiences following along the way...hug
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Mar 16, 2007 12:06 PM CST Self-preservation
artgurl0927
artgurl0927artgurl0927Heart of the Valley, Canada12 Threads 2,442 Posts
To change them, you have to become aware of them...you change them by raising them into conscious awareness. There are many ways to get there ....

These are some the things that work for me ... you may find different things helpful ...

Triggers - we all have buttons that get pushed and cause a strong reaction. Have you ever felt like people just tried to push your buttons to get you going? Our natural tendency is view that negatively. I am grateful when that happens because they have shown me that the button exists. Those are clues to your underworld.

Write - have you ever just written - without censorship, without thought? Just start writing - if you can't think of anything start with 'this is silly, I don't know what to write' or start by describing your day. It doesn't matter ... in the beginning you are flowing with you conscious mind ...do not censor or worry about punctuation ... write ... write .... write .... eventually there is a shift and things come up from deeper. Often what comes up is something that I thought I had dealt with already but pieces of it still lurk. Do not allow your pen to stop moving ... just write until there is nothing else coming out.

Meditation - when we keep our minds filled with noise it is really easy to ignore the signals and messages in your body. Get quiet and listen. Slow your thoughts...listen to that space between them.

The journey is always inward. hug
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Mar 16, 2007 12:15 PM CST Self-preservation
sexysweeti
sexysweetisexysweetiClinton, USA22 Threads 1,788 Posts
Thank you Sherrie. I do write. I have a hard time with meditation.
I was looking for free online yoga this morning and I found a site with lots of information and many different positions and it even had animation instructions for how to do them. I tried a couple and they killed me...like the locus...I don't think I could ever do that. So I decided I should look further for beginners yoga.
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Mar 16, 2007 12:35 PM CST Self-preservation
RainbowSlider
RainbowSliderRainbowSliderYellville, USA171 Threads 7,174 Posts
I like the episode of Star Trek where the old ship captain was kept alive by the female alien cloud. Every day the old captain would go into the cloud and get entergized. Kirk was trying to reason with the female alien cloud. The female alien cloud said that the man must continue. Spock realized the alien cloud was in love with the old ship captain because what the female alien cloud was doing was illogical. Hey, it could happen. Dr. McCoy agreed with Spock which got a raised eyebrow from Spock to Dr. McCoy. The old ship captain did not think that the female alien cloud was in love with him but just the Companion. Kirk tried to tell the female alien cloud that keeping the old ship captain on the planet would eventually cause him not to continue. Meanwhile, the female who beamed down to the planet to study the female alien and who was close to dying agreed that the female alien cloud was indeed in love with the old ship captain. So the female alien cloud and the female who beamed down to the planet got together and the old ship captain thought the woman was better for him than the female alien cloud especially they merged. The moral of the story is, hmmm, I am not really sure but I think it is revelant to the thread.
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Mar 16, 2007 12:39 PM CST Self-preservation
RainbowSlider
RainbowSliderRainbowSliderYellville, USA171 Threads 7,174 Posts
Oh, yeah the moral of the story is don't argue with strange female alien clouds. No, that's not it. I will keep working on it.
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