What exactly is the truth? ( Archived) (59)

Feb 16, 2008 4:22 AM CST What exactly is the truth?
gangel
gangelgangelPlovdiv, Bulgaria, Hampshire, England UK52 Threads 16 Polls 5,028 Posts
Is it reality, sincerity, integrity? Is it accuracy and honesty? How can we tell the difference between the truth and lies? conversing
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Feb 16, 2008 4:24 AM CST What exactly is the truth?
desmond
desmonddesmondkissimmee, Florida USA375 Threads 10,888 Posts
For me you must be honest and if i care about you then i will give you the chance to be honest...............and the man that made the mistake with you it is his lost and he will never be able to get as amazing as you
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Feb 16, 2008 8:39 AM CST What exactly is the truth?
The_Kansan
The_KansanThe_KansanKnoxville, Tennessee USA303 Threads 1 Polls 3,395 Posts
Unfortunately, 'truth' is, was, and always will be, subjective and open to interpretation.

There are also differences between 'whole truths' and 'partial truths.' For instance, someone can put on their profile, under body type "A few extra pounds." And it will be the truth, but not the whole truth because they failed to mention that the "few extra pounds" are on top of all the other extra pounds that they've aquired over the years. Someone else may put "toned and firm," neglecting to mention that they were looking at their right arm and crotch when they made the selection and the whole truth is that the rest of them is neither toned nor firm.

To go further, I could say that I am 47 years old and alone and that would technically be truthful because my wife is in another room as I type this. But it would also be deceitful, because the truth is that I have not felt alone since I met her, no matter the distance between us.

Having said all that, I believe that there is a difference between "BS'ing" and lying. To give an example: I write and tell stories. And it is in the best interest of myself and those who listen to/read my stories to make them believable. So I try to present them in such a manner that folks don't realize it is simply a story until I reach the punchline. Are they truthful? Well, most do contain bits and pieces of factual material, but on the whole they are fiction. Technically this makes them a lie. But they are not told/written with any intention other than to entertain, educate or enlighten. Whereas lies are nearly always told with malicious intent or an attempt to gain something one doesn't believe they could attain if they simply told the truth.

Truth is everything you mentioned above and more. To me, it implies a wholeness and completeness of honesty and the best way to recognize it is to practice it.

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Feb 16, 2008 8:45 AM CST What exactly is the truth?
gangel
gangelgangelPlovdiv, Bulgaria, Hampshire, England UK52 Threads 16 Polls 5,028 Posts
The_Kansan: Unfortunately, 'truth' is, was, and always will be, subjective and open to interpretation.

There are also differences between 'whole truths' and 'partial truths.' For instance, someone can put on their profile, under body type "A few extra pounds." And it will be the truth, but not the whole truth because they failed to mention that the "few extra pounds" are on top of all the other extra pounds that they've aquired over the years. Someone else may put "toned and firm," neglecting to mention that they were looking at their right arm and crotch when they made the selection and the whole truth is that the rest of them is neither toned nor firm.

To go further, I could say that I am 47 years old and alone and that would technically be truthful because my wife is in another room as I type this. But it would also be deceitful, because the truth is that I have not felt alone since I met her, no matter the distance between us.

Having said all that, I believe that there is a difference between "BS'ing" and lying. To give an example: I write and tell stories. And it is in the best interest of myself and those who listen to/read my stories to make them believable. So I try to present them in such a manner that folks don't realize it is simply a story until I reach the punchline. Are they truthful? Well, most do contain bits and pieces of factual material, but on the whole they are fiction. Technically this makes them a lie. But they are not told/written with any intention other than to entertain, educate or enlighten. Whereas lies are nearly always told with malicious intent or an attempt to gain something one doesn't believe they could attain if they simply told the truth.

Truth is everything you mentioned above and more. To me, it implies a wholeness and completeness of honesty and the best way to recognize it is to practice it.




Very nice said thumbs up
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Feb 16, 2008 8:48 AM CST What exactly is the truth?
Aries01
Aries01Aries01Kent, England UK47 Threads 4 Polls 2,732 Posts
gangel: Is it reality, sincerity, integrity? Is it accuracy and honesty? How can we tell the difference between the truth and lies?


thumbs up Fabulous photo...

The thruth (which admittedly is illusive at best.. depending how deep you want to go) is something which cannot be challenged because it just is...
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Feb 16, 2008 8:53 AM CST What exactly is the truth?
sandra35
sandra35sandra35Zemun, Central Serbia Serbia18 Threads 268 Posts
Good question

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Some lies become a truth, some truth become lies...... If you some lies say so many times – you will believe that is truth. (I forgot who said this)
Very difficult is to find real truth.

When I have opportunity to look someone in eyes can reorganize lies - “speech” of body and eyes helping in that.

If I speaking with people by internet, and have feeling that they lie to me, I try to “check” them.
I do it few times and my intuition was in right.
They lie.
dunno
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Feb 16, 2008 8:57 AM CST What exactly is the truth?
gangel
gangelgangelPlovdiv, Bulgaria, Hampshire, England UK52 Threads 16 Polls 5,028 Posts
The truth is biased. The truth for one may be lie for other. dunno
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Feb 16, 2008 8:59 AM CST What exactly is the truth?
sandra35
sandra35sandra35Zemun, Central Serbia Serbia18 Threads 268 Posts
gangel: The truth is biased. The truth for one may be lie for other.


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Feb 16, 2008 9:00 AM CST What exactly is the truth?
Detente
DetenteDetenteNorth West, England UK48 Threads 1 Polls 2,742 Posts
sandra35:





When I have opportunity to look someone in eyes can reorganize lies - “speech” of body and eyes helping in that.

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The eyes are windows to the soul!

Body language is a great way to determine if somebody is truthful...the mouth can be saying one thing, but the body is telling you somrthing entirely different at times!giggle


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Feb 16, 2008 9:28 AM CST What exactly is the truth?
Dusty45
Dusty45Dusty45Louisville, Kentucky USA54 Threads 2,642 Posts
Hey, if it doesn't make any sense - it's a lie.

Also, no memorization when telling the truth. Much easier.
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Feb 16, 2008 9:43 AM CST What exactly is the truth?
thewall2
thewall2thewall2montreal, Quebec Canada61 Threads 10,499 Posts
Whatever truth is......I THINK IT WILL SET ME FREE.confused
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Feb 16, 2008 9:45 AM CST What exactly is the truth?
gangel
gangelgangelPlovdiv, Bulgaria, Hampshire, England UK52 Threads 16 Polls 5,028 Posts
thewall2: Whatever truth is......I THINK IT WILL SET ME FREE.



You set a high value on being free,don't you? laugh
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Feb 16, 2008 10:07 AM CST What exactly is the truth?
thewall2
thewall2thewall2montreal, Quebec Canada61 Threads 10,499 Posts
gangel: You set a high value on being free,don't you?


I'M trying to become the ME.......I MIGHT YET BE.WHO is this ''WALL'' that God created when GOD said,''LET THEIR BE A WALL.''

Without his masks,can I IDENTIFY THAT person?

To me....that is truth.

''WHO AM I?''....IS to me.....the greatest truth.

Slowly,I'm learning who I AM. handshake
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Feb 16, 2008 10:12 AM CST What exactly is the truth?
gangel
gangelgangelPlovdiv, Bulgaria, Hampshire, England UK52 Threads 16 Polls 5,028 Posts
thewall2: I'M trying to become the ME.......I MIGHT YET BE.WHO is this ''WALL'' that God created when GOD said,''LET THEIR BE A WALL.''

Without his masks,can I IDENTIFY THAT person?

To me....that is truth.

''WHO AM I?''....IS to me.....the greatest truth.

Slowly,I'm learning who I AM.



Good luck in your journey of learning ...thumbs up
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Feb 16, 2008 10:13 AM CST What exactly is the truth?
thewall2
thewall2thewall2montreal, Quebec Canada61 Threads 10,499 Posts
and I TRULY need to find the courage,to look behind the curtains,or I CAN FALL INTO DEPRESSION,and just give up.handshake
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Feb 16, 2008 10:14 AM CST What exactly is the truth?
thewall2
thewall2thewall2montreal, Quebec Canada61 Threads 10,499 Posts
gangel: Good luck in your journey of learning ...


Thanks.....thumbs up
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Feb 16, 2008 10:17 AM CST What exactly is the truth?
gangel
gangelgangelPlovdiv, Bulgaria, Hampshire, England UK52 Threads 16 Polls 5,028 Posts
thewall2: and I TRULY need to find the courage,to look behind the curtains,or I CAN FALL INTO DEPRESSION,and just give up.




Don't lose courage.Your learning is worthhandshake
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Feb 16, 2008 10:34 AM CST What exactly is the truth?
thewall2
thewall2thewall2montreal, Quebec Canada61 Threads 10,499 Posts
gangel: Don't lose courage.Your learning is worth


Thanks......I'll try.handshake
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Feb 16, 2008 10:37 AM CST What exactly is the truth?
AlwaysFree
AlwaysFreeAlwaysFreeSomewhere, South Carolina USA10 Threads 111 Posts
George said "Remember Jerry if you believe it, it's not a lie" laugh
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Feb 16, 2008 10:40 AM CST What exactly is the truth?
OverTheWindow
OverTheWindowOverTheWindowChicago, Paris, Marseille, Illinois USA6 Threads 1 Polls 635 Posts
The truth it is the exercise of a constant checking between what one perceives and the idea that one has about it.
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