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Aries01: hiya ...
It also says not to judge.. in fact in a way that is more important, cause lets face it.. its not a straight walk being a Christian... lots of twists and turns and pebbles, rocks and even the occassional boulder to knock us over... I for one have used 'curse words' I have apologised and they are a LOT less frequent... but never the less... none of us can cast the first stone.... also I admire Mikes struggle to get the truth out there... it may be in vain... sure... and it may be frustrating.....SURE!! but he is giving his view... plenty views to go around... EVERY ONE gets their say here .. whether any of us like it or not ... anyway..... sorry for the long winded ... what I am trying to say is that being a Christian does not mean we have to be silent lambs all the time... Righteous anger (when couple with a forgiving heart) is ok... Jesus lost his rag from time to time (remember the Temple) and I have to empathise with Mike... the insults some people fling at the Father (our Father) sometimes makes my blood boil
I am sure u want to call it judging because Ive seen you use curse words to,The Bible says, and I quote Paul,said to the church,dont u know u will judge angels?Then how is it u cannot judge the smallest matters in the church.You cant just read the Bible, U HAVE TO READ THE BIBLE. I am not disrepecting Mike in fact I like him very much.Admonishment and judgment are two total different things.Jesus lost his temper but he did not sin.I am not angry at Mike righteous or otherwise.I ask him a question Why dont u let him answer me.I really dont believe he needs anyone to answer his question.Hes very capable and I do believe hes a Christian.It also says not to judge.. in fact in a way that is more important, cause lets face it.. its not a straight walk being a Christian... lots of twists and turns and pebbles, rocks and even the occassional boulder to knock us over... I for one have used 'curse words' I have apologised and they are a LOT less frequent... but never the less... none of us can cast the first stone.... also I admire Mikes struggle to get the truth out there... it may be in vain... sure... and it may be frustrating.....SURE!! but he is giving his view... plenty views to go around... EVERY ONE gets their say here .. whether any of us like it or not ... anyway..... sorry for the long winded ... what I am trying to say is that being a Christian does not mean we have to be silent lambs all the time... Righteous anger (when couple with a forgiving heart) is ok... Jesus lost his rag from time to time (remember the Temple) and I have to empathise with Mike... the insults some people fling at the Father (our Father) sometimes makes my blood boil
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MikeHD: Ouch!
That did not feel good.
I am sorry Mike I didnt intend it to hurt you,just to get u to ask ur self the question.That did not feel good.
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I don't know why you feel the need to defend your actions... Most of what I was saying was in relation to Mike and the empathy I have for the Thread he posted... wasn't politically correct perhaps, but I can understand why he did... and p.s. we are all sinners... being a Christian does not absolve us from the fact that we will continue to sin.. gossip say for example or a white lie ///or a biggie the sin of pride or vanity the list goes on..... we probably sin every day in some small way... being a Christian does make it easier on some levels but it also makes it harder on others because the bar is raised so high....
this is why I think it is important not to slip too easily into self righteous mode.... even Jesus' actions were judgeg by the Pharisees who were avid readers and observers of Scripture... in fact they admonished him (Gospel of Mark) when he dared to heal a man on the Sabbath, which under the Jewish Law was a day of rest... Jesus did not respect the Pharisees, he called them hypocrites, despite the fact that they were obedient Religious men.... Yes I agree with you... Read the Word, Live the word, but also very simply love others as yourself....
The reason I said what I said is because I noticed that there was a rash of negative comments mounted against Mike on this one rare occassion where he actually lost the Rag.... I decided to say something in support of him..... I know he didn't need me to... he is more than competent to speak for himself, but I did so anyway...
I also noted with some level of curiosity that not only were the usual suspects posting against him... but his Christian Sister also... if you didn't like the curse... send him a private mail...
this is why I think it is important not to slip too easily into self righteous mode.... even Jesus' actions were judgeg by the Pharisees who were avid readers and observers of Scripture... in fact they admonished him (Gospel of Mark) when he dared to heal a man on the Sabbath, which under the Jewish Law was a day of rest... Jesus did not respect the Pharisees, he called them hypocrites, despite the fact that they were obedient Religious men.... Yes I agree with you... Read the Word, Live the word, but also very simply love others as yourself....
The reason I said what I said is because I noticed that there was a rash of negative comments mounted against Mike on this one rare occassion where he actually lost the Rag.... I decided to say something in support of him..... I know he didn't need me to... he is more than competent to speak for himself, but I did so anyway...
I also noted with some level of curiosity that not only were the usual suspects posting against him... but his Christian Sister also... if you didn't like the curse... send him a private mail...
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Aries01: I don't know why you feel the need to defend your actions... Most of what I was saying was in relation to Mike and the empathy I have for the Thread he posted... wasn't politically correct perhaps, but I can understand why he did... and p.s. we are all sinners... being a Christian does not absolve us from the fact that we will continue to sin.. gossip say for example or a white lie ///or a biggie the sin of pride or vanity the list goes on..... we probably sin every day in some small way... being a Christian does make it easier on some levels but it also makes it harder on others because the bar is raised so high....
this is why I think it is important not to slip too easily into self righteous mode.... even Jesus' actions were judgeg by the Pharisees who were avid readers and observers of Scripture... in fact they admonished him (Gospel of Mark) when he dared to heal a man on the Sabbath, which under the Jewish Law was a day of rest... Jesus did not respect the Pharisees, he called them hypocrites, despite the fact that they were obedient Religious men.... Yes I agree with you... Read the Word, Live the word, but also very simply love others as yourself....
The reason I said what I said is because I noticed that there was a rash of negative comments mounted against Mike on this one rare occassion where he actually lost the Rag.... I decided to say something in support of him..... I know he didn't need me to... he is more than competent to speak for himself, but I did so anyway...
I also noted with some level of curiosity that not only were the usual suspects posting against him... but his Christian Sister also... if you didn't like the curse... send him a private mail...
this is why I think it is important not to slip too easily into self righteous mode.... even Jesus' actions were judgeg by the Pharisees who were avid readers and observers of Scripture... in fact they admonished him (Gospel of Mark) when he dared to heal a man on the Sabbath, which under the Jewish Law was a day of rest... Jesus did not respect the Pharisees, he called them hypocrites, despite the fact that they were obedient Religious men.... Yes I agree with you... Read the Word, Live the word, but also very simply love others as yourself....
The reason I said what I said is because I noticed that there was a rash of negative comments mounted against Mike on this one rare occassion where he actually lost the Rag.... I decided to say something in support of him..... I know he didn't need me to... he is more than competent to speak for himself, but I did so anyway...
I also noted with some level of curiosity that not only were the usual suspects posting against him... but his Christian Sister also... if you didn't like the curse... send him a private mail...
What about us plain ol' godless heathens?
Don't you think our lives are equally or even more difficult due to the fact that we don't believe that someone or something will "save" us and that this IS the the only life that we really know we have?
I'm the only one responsible for my own actions and have paid the price for my transgressions in THIS life, not the afterlife, and learned from them. Be nice in a way to believe that no matter what I did, I would be forgiven if I asked, but in reality, that's not always the case. Some people don't forgive, or forget.
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BnaturAl: giving up your free will again... no choice? thats contrary to what you preach god giving you free will.
I guess it depends on how dim people really are in any event they are choices not forced collusion.
You're humanizing a soul, giving it the ability to experience 'cognitively' a life after death. Without a brain or a body there is no experience. You didnt have either before you were born and no one we know of has them after death... If youre talking about during life itself then my assertion still applies, dont join a the war and there wont be one. The acknowledgement of sides is the beginning of war.
light/dark
good/bad
black/white
stubborn/patience
whatever side there is, the only thing that matters is a balance.
I guess it depends on how dim people really are in any event they are choices not forced collusion.
You're humanizing a soul, giving it the ability to experience 'cognitively' a life after death. Without a brain or a body there is no experience. You didnt have either before you were born and no one we know of has them after death... If youre talking about during life itself then my assertion still applies, dont join a the war and there wont be one. The acknowledgement of sides is the beginning of war.
light/dark
good/bad
black/white
stubborn/patience
whatever side there is, the only thing that matters is a balance.
Sorry Al, you just did not "get it" at all.
To put it simply: It's the deamons and angels who are fighting, NOT flesh and blood, not mankind. This prevents mankind from having a choice in the spiritual war. It is NOT our War!!! The Battle Belongs To The Lord. I'm sitting this one out... being still.
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Aries01: I don't know why you feel the need to defend your actions... Most of what I was saying was in relation to Mike and the empathy I have for the Thread he posted... wasn't politically correct perhaps, but I can understand why he did... and p.s. we are all sinners... being a Christian does not absolve us from the fact that we will continue to sin.. gossip say for example or a white lie ///or a biggie the sin of pride or vanity the list goes on..... we probably sin every day in some small way... being a Christian does make it easier on some levels but it also makes it harder on others because the bar is raised so high....
this is why I think it is important not to slip too easily into self righteous mode.... even Jesus' actions were judgeg by the Pharisees who were avid readers and observers of Scripture... in fact they admonished him (Gospel of Mark) when he dared to heal a man on the Sabbath, which under the Jewish Law was a day of rest... Jesus did not respect the Pharisees, he called them hypocrites, despite the fact that they were obedient Religious men.... Yes I agree with you... Read the Word, Live the word, but also very simply love others as yourself....
The reason I said what I said is because I noticed that there was a rash of negative comments mounted against Mike on this one rare occassion where he actually lost the Rag.... I decided to say something in support of him..... I know he didn't need me to... he is more than competent to speak for himself, but I did so anyway...
I also noted with some level of curiosity that not only were the usual suspects posting against him... but his Christian Sister also... if you didn't like the curse... send him a private mail...
I am still a free agent and can say what I want as long as it doesnt cause me to sin.U need to study ur Bible a whole lot more dear.Because even tho we r not perfect,it says to strive for perfection.It also says do not sin willfully.Ive been a christian and read the bible for 39 yrs.As for me sending him an email.I think u need to do that,because I question ur motives of why ur being so defensive over nothing.I am his sister and we will work it out, if theres a problem,if we need a mediator we already have one,His name Is Jesus,not Aries.And with that I will not argue the point any further with u.This kind of behaviour out of Christians is exactly why we cant tell the unbelievers anything.this is why I think it is important not to slip too easily into self righteous mode.... even Jesus' actions were judgeg by the Pharisees who were avid readers and observers of Scripture... in fact they admonished him (Gospel of Mark) when he dared to heal a man on the Sabbath, which under the Jewish Law was a day of rest... Jesus did not respect the Pharisees, he called them hypocrites, despite the fact that they were obedient Religious men.... Yes I agree with you... Read the Word, Live the word, but also very simply love others as yourself....
The reason I said what I said is because I noticed that there was a rash of negative comments mounted against Mike on this one rare occassion where he actually lost the Rag.... I decided to say something in support of him..... I know he didn't need me to... he is more than competent to speak for himself, but I did so anyway...
I also noted with some level of curiosity that not only were the usual suspects posting against him... but his Christian Sister also... if you didn't like the curse... send him a private mail...
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BnaturAl: You know whats weird Mike .. all these leaders you speak about are beleivers.. try to get elected in almost any country on a non beleiver platform at any level of government and see how far you get. The planet has been run by "beleivers' since the beginning of time. It is the way it is because of beleivers.
Even the criminal justice system you speak of, the same thing and whats worse is, pansy beleivers, wanting to "save" everyone, even the worst of criminals scream so much that leaders enact laws to save them from the consequences congruent with their offense. Just stupid. Here's the thing, if there is an after life, why save them? let your god take care of them, they kill someone, death is congruent with their offense, not 'saving' them from death, and besides they get to live an after life, so why not... very contradictory.
God and his emissaries on this planet have had 5000 yrs running this planet, this fake image has created nothing but irrational, unaccountable hell for the majority of the planet.
I wonder if HL could answer who is winning this war. Careful where you point that finger.
Even the criminal justice system you speak of, the same thing and whats worse is, pansy beleivers, wanting to "save" everyone, even the worst of criminals scream so much that leaders enact laws to save them from the consequences congruent with their offense. Just stupid. Here's the thing, if there is an after life, why save them? let your god take care of them, they kill someone, death is congruent with their offense, not 'saving' them from death, and besides they get to live an after life, so why not... very contradictory.
God and his emissaries on this planet have had 5000 yrs running this planet, this fake image has created nothing but irrational, unaccountable hell for the majority of the planet.
I wonder if HL could answer who is winning this war. Careful where you point that finger.
B, are you contending that if someone calls themselves a Christian, then they are? Does that work if they call themselves a hamburger?
I hear a lot of people saying they are a Christian because they go to church a lot. Again, does going to church make you a Christian the same way going to McDonalds makes you a hamburger?
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cherokeemoon2: I am still a free agent and can say what I want as long as it doesnt cause me to sin.U need to study ur Bible a whole lot more dear.Because even tho we r not perfect,it says to strive for perfection.It also says do not sin willfully.Ive been a christian and read the bible for 39 yrs.As for me sending him an email.I think u need to do that,because I question ur motives of why ur being so defensive over nothing.I am his sister and we will work it out, if theres a problem,if we need a mediator we already have one,His name Is Jesus,not Aries.And with that I will not argue the point any further with u.This kind of behaviour out of Christians is exactly why we cant tell the unbelievers anything.
Who are you to be telling anybody anything in the first place? Let alone non believers!
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BnaturAl: That was written by Sumerians to subjugate citizens to 'AN', the god of Sumar. The bible is remake of Sumarian writings written 2500 yrs before the bible was even concieved.
It is sad that people who contend that the bible is a rewrite cannot come up with a pre-written version to compare. Similarities do not necessary constitute plagiarism. You can argue if you like, but anything compared to the bible has always fallen short. Nothing has been said with the same mystery, beauty, loveliness, completeness, and unity as this book of books. The bible is without equal because it is alive. It helps to breath life into those who read it with an open heart. Open heart, not open mind. God goes way beyond our own understanding. Only a fool demands to know everything.
God wants us to seek and ask. He wants to reveal the secrets of the life and the universe. To love God you must love the mystery of life. God is not about sitting around giving answers, He gives life and freedom. He calls you to be on his team, and what comes after is what it is like to be on a championship team. You work hard, you listen to your coach and your teammates. And if you are planning on winning the championship, then you do not accuse anyone of trying to control you. The Coach of this team gave up His only Son so you would have the chance to join. All you want to do is show the Coach that you will give your all in the game. That is more of what being a Christian is all about. Everything else is religion, and it is worthless.
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kidatheart: Who are you to be telling anybody anything in the first place? Let alone non believers!
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BnaturAl: You know whats weird Mike .. all these leaders you speak about are beleivers.. try to get elected in almost any country on a non beleiver platform at any level of government and see how far you get. The planet has been run by "beleivers' since the beginning of time. It is the way it is because of beleivers.
Even the criminal justice system you speak of, the same thing and whats worse is, pansy beleivers, wanting to "save" everyone, even the worst of criminals scream so much that leaders enact laws to save them from the consequences congruent with their offense. Just stupid. Here's the thing, if there is an after life, why save them? let your god take care of them, they kill someone, death is congruent with their offense, not 'saving' them from death, and besides they get to live an after life, so why not... very contradictory.
God and his emissaries on this planet have had 5000 yrs running this planet, this fake image has created nothing but irrational, unaccountable hell for the majority of the planet.
I wonder if HL could answer who is winning this war. Careful where you point that finger.
Even the criminal justice system you speak of, the same thing and whats worse is, pansy beleivers, wanting to "save" everyone, even the worst of criminals scream so much that leaders enact laws to save them from the consequences congruent with their offense. Just stupid. Here's the thing, if there is an after life, why save them? let your god take care of them, they kill someone, death is congruent with their offense, not 'saving' them from death, and besides they get to live an after life, so why not... very contradictory.
God and his emissaries on this planet have had 5000 yrs running this planet, this fake image has created nothing but irrational, unaccountable hell for the majority of the planet.
I wonder if HL could answer who is winning this war. Careful where you point that finger.
Al, geeze, how gullible are you? Don't you know that true believers will recognise one another by the Spirit within them? How much do you know about politics? I question your answer when you resolve to the remark you just made.
Do you really think for one moment that these "Leaders" of countries who claim to be "believers" really are? The Bible says, "Youl will know them by their fruits". The "fruits of the Spirit are Love, Joy, Peace. Patience, Kindness, Gentleness and Self-control. Do our "Leaders" show these qualities or fruits? Absolutely NOT for the most part. Which would lead one to believe and those who Know the Great Spirt, that these "Leaders" are LYING!!! They CLAIM to be "believers" only to get the VOTE of other believers!!! It's a scam! It's a LIE!
God help us all if true believers acted the way these self proclaimed believing leaders do!!! I really thought you of all people were smart enough to see thru this scheme. GEEZE!!!
As for the "criminal justice system", I was once part of it. I spent many years in college and lots of money, to find out that there is INJUSTICE in the criminal justice system. I wanted no part of that corrupt system and they wanted no part of ME!
Surely you can not possibly believe that God and His emissaries have been running this planet. NOT!!! No, God is not running this show. God is here to deliver those willing to call on His Mighty Name and show Himself as Lord of Lords and King of Kings, in the midst of every war, every circumstance, every trial, every health problem and even more, to those who will believe on His name!!!
As the Bible states, "The devil roams about as a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour."
There is a war, there are TWO forces at work. As the end of time nears, the days will grow shorter and evil will abound greater. The love of many will grow cold. Men will become lovers of themselves and greedy.
I ask you to choose this day, whom you will serve... God or Satan?
To say you don't believe is to choose Satan. I chose Satan for a period of time in my life. All he brought me was near to death and so much destruction. He is a liar and the father of lies, a deceiver and father of those who deceive.
Will you soar thru the cosmos Al? Enter into your own plane or dimension? Truely?
I KNOW I will cos I KNOW my GOD!!!
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cherokeemoon2: I am sorry Mike I didnt intend it to hurt you,just to get u to ask ur self the question.
It is OK. It would not have stung if it were not a legitimate question.
I can describe to you the life God expects, and the glorious rewards that come from living such a life (both IN THIS LIFE and the next). I know what it means to truly belong to Jesus. I know how it feels and what it looks like. I have been there.
Then I walked away.
But when I came back, Jesus decided the old place I had occupied was not good enough anymore. My Father in heaven decided I was to move up to the next level.
And I have decided to hesitate.
I come into these chat rooms, and defend what I believe. It feels good.
But just like a smoker who knows it would be best to stop smoking, I am procrastinating about taking the step that will change my life forever and draw me closer to my creator.
It is a point of surrender that I have never known. And it is scary to think about.
I guess it is just a trust issue. I have to decide to trust God. And leave it all in His hand.
Even if that means I have to stop coming in here to feel better about myself.
Wow, there is some nice confession for the soul.
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MikeHD: B, are you contending that if someone calls themselves a Christian, then they are? Does that work if they call themselves a hamburger?
I hear a lot of people saying they are a Christian because they go to church a lot. Again, does going to church make you a Christian the same way going to McDonalds makes you a hamburger?
I hear a lot of people saying they are a Christian because they go to church a lot. Again, does going to church make you a Christian the same way going to McDonalds makes you a hamburger?
I think if you reread my post I did not mention christians in that reference. What I did use was "believer", that being someone who supports/perpetuates/does things in the name of god or at the very least belief of god. It is indeed not only christians, but muslims, presbyterians on and on, people who believe there is a god.
its one thing to noitce the hell in this world as you have, but to not notice who controls it, makes the laws, starts wars, makes bailouts. People who have led the world and most countires have been believers, perpetuating, thriving, building wealth on the same beleif you subject yourself to.
Oh and you used disjointed logic....
of course you wouldnt be a hamburger, you'd be a macdonalds 'patron'/customer/supporter, neither does going to church make you a pew, but a patron/supporter...
I underdstand a christian label doesnt make you a good christian.
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HealthyLiving: Sorry Al, you just did not "get it" at all.
To put it simply: It's the deamons and angels who are fighting, NOT flesh and blood, not mankind. This prevents mankind from having a choice in the spiritual war. It is NOT our War!!! The Battle Belongs To The Lord. I'm sitting this one out... being still.
To put it simply: It's the deamons and angels who are fighting, NOT flesh and blood, not mankind. This prevents mankind from having a choice in the spiritual war. It is NOT our War!!! The Battle Belongs To The Lord. I'm sitting this one out... being still.
but earlier you said..
HealthyLiving:
There are spiritual laws. There is a war going on in the heavenly's and placing man, one against the other is their favorite pastime!
There are spiritual laws. There is a war going on in the heavenly's and placing man, one against the other is their favorite pastime!
seems you are contradicting yourself.
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BnaturAl: I think if you reread my post I did not mention christians in that reference. What I did use was "believer", that being someone who supports/perpetuates/does things in the name of god or at the very least belief of god. It is indeed not only christians, but muslims, presbyterians on and on, people who believe there is a god.
its one thing to noitce the hell in this world as you have, but to not notice who controls it, makes the laws, starts wars, makes bailouts. People who have led the world and most countires have been believers, perpetuating, thriving, building wealth on the same beleif you subject yourself to.
Oh and you used disjointed logic....
of course you wouldnt be a hamburger, you'd be a macdonalds 'patron'/customer/supporter, neither does going to church make you a pew, but a patron/supporter...
I underdstand a christian label doesnt make you a good christian.
its one thing to noitce the hell in this world as you have, but to not notice who controls it, makes the laws, starts wars, makes bailouts. People who have led the world and most countires have been believers, perpetuating, thriving, building wealth on the same beleif you subject yourself to.
Oh and you used disjointed logic....
of course you wouldnt be a hamburger, you'd be a macdonalds 'patron'/customer/supporter, neither does going to church make you a pew, but a patron/supporter...
I underdstand a christian label doesnt make you a good christian.
Good
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MikeHD: It is OK. It would not have stung if it were not a legitimate question.
I can describe to you the life God expects, and the glorious rewards that come from living such a life (both IN THIS LIFE and the next). I know what it means to truly belong to Jesus. I know how it feels and what it looks like. I have been there.
Then I walked away.
But when I came back, Jesus decided the old place I had occupied was not good enough anymore. My Father in heaven decided I was to move up to the next level.
And I have decided to hesitate.
I come into these chat rooms, and defend what I believe. It feels good.
But just like a smoker who knows it would be best to stop smoking, I am procrastinating about taking the step that will change my life forever and draw me closer to my creator.
It is a point of surrender that I have never known. And it is scary to think about.
I guess it is just a trust issue. I have to decide to trust God. And leave it all in His hand.
Even if that means I have to stop coming in here to feel better about myself.
Wow, there is some nice confession for the soul.
I full,totally.competely,understand the resposibllity of trying to do what God asks of us.Its hard,our flesh constantly wars against it.But I see something in u Mike,or I wouldnt have bothered.So I will pray for u.For our gifts and callings are without repentence. We r on the verge of Jesus coming for us.We have to pliable on the potters wheel or the masterpiece can not be formed.God BlessI can describe to you the life God expects, and the glorious rewards that come from living such a life (both IN THIS LIFE and the next). I know what it means to truly belong to Jesus. I know how it feels and what it looks like. I have been there.
Then I walked away.
But when I came back, Jesus decided the old place I had occupied was not good enough anymore. My Father in heaven decided I was to move up to the next level.
And I have decided to hesitate.
I come into these chat rooms, and defend what I believe. It feels good.
But just like a smoker who knows it would be best to stop smoking, I am procrastinating about taking the step that will change my life forever and draw me closer to my creator.
It is a point of surrender that I have never known. And it is scary to think about.
I guess it is just a trust issue. I have to decide to trust God. And leave it all in His hand.
Even if that means I have to stop coming in here to feel better about myself.
Wow, there is some nice confession for the soul.
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P.S If gods in it dont be afraid,he has u and it in his capable hands .Hes never known to fail us.
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MikeHD: It is sad that people who contend that the bible is a rewrite cannot come up with a pre-written version to compare. Similarities do not necessary constitute plagiarism. You can argue if you like, but anything compared to the bible has always fallen short. Nothing has been said with the same mystery, beauty, loveliness, completeness, and unity as this book of books. The bible is without equal because it is alive. It helps to breath life into those who read it with an open heart. Open heart, not open mind. God goes way beyond our own understanding. Only a fool demands to know everything.
God wants us to seek and ask. He wants to reveal the secrets of the life and the universe. To love God you must love the mystery of life. God is not about sitting around giving answers, He gives life and freedom. He calls you to be on his team, and what comes after is what it is like to be on a championship team. You work hard, you listen to your coach and your teammates. And if you are planning on winning the championship, then you do not accuse anyone of trying to control you. The Coach of this team gave up His only Son so you would have the chance to join. All you want to do is show the Coach that you will give your all in the game. That is more of what being a Christian is all about. Everything else is religion, and it is worthless.
God wants us to seek and ask. He wants to reveal the secrets of the life and the universe. To love God you must love the mystery of life. God is not about sitting around giving answers, He gives life and freedom. He calls you to be on his team, and what comes after is what it is like to be on a championship team. You work hard, you listen to your coach and your teammates. And if you are planning on winning the championship, then you do not accuse anyone of trying to control you. The Coach of this team gave up His only Son so you would have the chance to join. All you want to do is show the Coach that you will give your all in the game. That is more of what being a Christian is all about. Everything else is religion, and it is worthless.
these things have been posted before Mike, its quite extensive, and it is as you requested a version to compare. You can also look up perisan texts, which are the bible immediately before the christian bible. Now you have to remember that the romans did their best to exterminate any texts that would challenge their new bible, but texts did remain and are there for perusal if you take the time.
here is just one link
when you're done there... in about 6 months
I'll be happy to supply some othersYou'll even find mention of the Annanu (Anunaki) and other biblical giants and sundry weirdos that also began with the sumerians, that continued and were used in the bible accounts.
I have come up with this information more than once, you must take the time to read and asess it for yourself. The bible and its savior story is mirrored remarkably, only the names have changed. 
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HealthyLiving wrote:
Sorry Al, you just did not "get it" at all.
To put it simply: It's the deamons and angels who are fighting, NOT flesh and blood, not mankind. This prevents mankind from having a choice in the spiritual war. It is NOT our War!!! The Battle Belongs To The Lord. I'm sitting this one out... being still.
but earlier you said..
HealthyLiving wrote:
There are spiritual laws. There is a war going on in the heavenly's and placing man, one against the other is their favorite pastime!
seems you are contradicting yourself.
No Al, I am not contradicting myself at all.
It is their way, those in the spitual realm.
They do have influence on man and they play us, one against the other.
You can choose not to participate in their war, and rightly so, as you have no choice in the mater, it's their war, not ours. BUT, they will still do as they will, cause death to your loved ones, to make you not believe, or any number of other schemes.
Sorry Al, you just did not "get it" at all.
To put it simply: It's the deamons and angels who are fighting, NOT flesh and blood, not mankind. This prevents mankind from having a choice in the spiritual war. It is NOT our War!!! The Battle Belongs To The Lord. I'm sitting this one out... being still.
but earlier you said..
HealthyLiving wrote:
There are spiritual laws. There is a war going on in the heavenly's and placing man, one against the other is their favorite pastime!
seems you are contradicting yourself.
No Al, I am not contradicting myself at all.
It is their way, those in the spitual realm.
They do have influence on man and they play us, one against the other.
You can choose not to participate in their war, and rightly so, as you have no choice in the mater, it's their war, not ours. BUT, they will still do as they will, cause death to your loved ones, to make you not believe, or any number of other schemes.
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True Christianity is simply this...
"Teacher, which is the great commandment in the law?" Jesus said to him, "'You shall love the LORD your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.' "This is the first and great commandment. "And the second is like it: 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself.' "On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets." Matthew 22:36-40 NKJV
That was written by Sumerians to subjugate citizens to 'AN', the god of Sumar. The bible is remake of Sumarian writings written 2500 yrs before the bible was even concieved.