question from a book, but not answered (56)

Sep 18, 2006 3:31 PM CST question from a book, but not answered
TWO MEN ARE TAKEN FROM TWO DIFERANT WORLDS AND TOLD:
THAT THEY ARE TO FIGHT TO THE DEATH,
THE LOSERS WORLD WILL BE DESTROYED.
IF EITHER REFUSE HE AND HIS WORLD , WILL BE DESTROYED.
ONE OF THE MEN SAYS NO HE WILL NOT KILL..

THE QUESTION IS NOT A SIMPLE ONE BUT IS HE A COWARD OR A HERO?
Sep 18, 2006 3:35 PM CST question from a book, but not answered
ssukying
ssukyingssukyingDublin, Ireland3 Threads 93 Posts
I think he's a hero. He simply wants World Peace full of Ducks cheers
Sep 18, 2006 3:50 PM CST question from a book, but not answered
apart from ducks why a hero?
Sep 18, 2006 3:59 PM CST question from a book, but not answered
a coward,,,,,why not kill to save his world?? its a dog v dog world out there
Sep 18, 2006 4:08 PM CST question from a book, but not answered
ssukying
ssukyingssukyingDublin, Ireland3 Threads 93 Posts
Seriously, in some points he might think human race should be able to live together in good harmony. There's no points in killing. Can you see what happened to our world today? More blood on the ground and there's no way people will ever live in peace. I know he should have thought about himself and his kind but what about the other warrior? They too deserve living a good life together. I believe there are some decent people out there who like to live in peace.
Sep 18, 2006 4:11 PM CST question from a book, but not answered
Marlboroman
MarlboromanMarlboromanTipperary, Ireland11 Posts
If i had a problem with the question its that it fails to take human emotions into account. I mean either man may have emotional ties to the people of the planet he is from whereas he is emotionally disconnected from those of the opposing man's planet..he may be the hero not to fight as he has the moral depth of character to accept the other's clan as potential "brother's". Still he would be unhuman not to defend his "clan" by not killing the other.

Good question. it remind's me of the book Sophie's Choice by William Styron where the Sophie of the title is haunted by the terrible secret she carries about an ultimatum given her...a one in a million read.
Sep 18, 2006 4:11 PM CST question from a book, but not answered
can you call someone a coward for refuseing to kill another whole world, if he wins?
Sep 18, 2006 4:14 PM CST question from a book, but not answered
the question leaves a lot open to discussion, true but on purpose.
Sep 18, 2006 4:16 PM CST question from a book, but not answered
if he doesnt kill, then his world dies
Sep 18, 2006 4:19 PM CST question from a book, but not answered
Marlboroman
MarlboromanMarlboromanTipperary, Ireland11 Posts
I skirted the issue in my first response but my initial reaction maybe not well thought out but instinctive would be yes he should kill the other to protect his people...its neither hero or coward just survival and protecting one's own loved ones. It goes beyond rationalising I think.
Sep 18, 2006 4:20 PM CST question from a book, but not answered
ssukying
ssukyingssukyingDublin, Ireland3 Threads 93 Posts
Sometimes, someone has to sacrifice in order to be rewarded. His world dies... good points...
On the other hands, to save my people-I will have to fight to death.
Sep 18, 2006 4:22 PM CST question from a book, but not answered
skirting the question again i see, sneekygrin

he refused to kill, condeming his world to death.
coward or hero?
remember he gave not only his world but his own life for his beliefs
Sep 18, 2006 4:24 PM CST question from a book, but not answered
ssukying
ssukyingssukyingDublin, Ireland3 Threads 93 Posts
Again if I was in that situation, I might have to follow my instinct. I cannot let anyone take away my world and destroy it.
This reminds me of the Movie "The Patriot".
Sep 18, 2006 4:29 PM CST question from a book, but not answered
Marlboroman
MarlboromanMarlboromanTipperary, Ireland11 Posts
yes an altruistic and brave act he will be rewarded on the other man's planet by homage and statue building and be lauded a hero but his own people in their dying agonies may curse his decision, the lily-livered goody two shoes! mumbling
Sep 18, 2006 4:30 PM CST question from a book, but not answered
Munchkin2
Munchkin2Munchkin2Sligo, Ireland16 Threads 787 Posts
This could be interpreted as a question about personal morality, or virtue. On the one hand, by refusing to fight, his world is lost. On the other hand, by fighting, he guarantees the destruction of one world - his, if he loses, or the other one, if he wins.

The bottom line is this: no matter what choice he makes, people will die. The only choice he really has is this: does he become a murderer or not? If he kills the other man, he does, and yet gains nothing from it. So he can decide to do the virtuous thing and refuse to fight. He must also know that by making this decision, he will bring the hatred and anger of his own world upon himself, because he is in effect sacrificing them. So he will die, and most certainly not a hero in his people's world, but at least he will have remained true to himself. The only way to become virtuous is to practice virtue, and doing the right thing is seldom the same as doing the easy thing.
Sep 18, 2006 4:31 PM CST question from a book, but not answered
ssukying
ssukyingssukyingDublin, Ireland3 Threads 93 Posts
I was thinking about the same thing that he might be the horo for the living planet but to his people, he'd be condemned and cursed.
Sep 18, 2006 4:35 PM CST question from a book, but not answered
it is a question of personal morality,and yet you didnt answer the question,as didnt the others, hero or coward and why, in your opinion
Sep 18, 2006 4:39 PM CST question from a book, but not answered
Munchkin2
Munchkin2Munchkin2Sligo, Ireland16 Threads 787 Posts
By not fighting, he is making a decision that will gain him only opprobrium from his own people. By fighting, regardless of the outcome, he would have been lauded as a hero, because even if he didn't win, he would have been perceived as trying.

Like I said, virtue is never easy. How much easier to make yourself popular, even if you hate how you do it? Much, much more difficult to be true to yourself in the face of much opposition - how many of us are that strong?

Hero. then.
Sep 18, 2006 4:40 PM CST question from a book, but not answered
Marlboroman
MarlboromanMarlboromanTipperary, Ireland11 Posts
hurrah! well argued munchskin. What a lonely decision to make.To have that clarity of thought with so much at stake is virtuous in itself. At least he wouldnt have to live with the decision, and the death of a planet for the remander of his living days.Still if it was me I would fight the other I think virtuous or not..
Sep 18, 2006 4:42 PM CST question from a book, but not answered
Munchkin2
Munchkin2Munchkin2Sligo, Ireland16 Threads 787 Posts
Well done to Druss for starting a thread with a great topic that makes people think and has actually got a real discussion going!!yay
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