question from a book, but not answered (56)

Sep 18, 2006 4:44 PM CST question from a book, but not answered
Marlboroman
MarlboromanMarlboromanTipperary, Ireland11 Posts
yes i enjoyed that Druss.pat on the back! now get back to that theology book and select another question for tomorrow night!wink
Sep 18, 2006 4:45 PM CST question from a book, but not answered
Marlboroman
MarlboromanMarlboromanTipperary, Ireland11 Posts
...of course we havnt answered the original question yet have we......??
Sep 18, 2006 4:46 PM CST question from a book, but not answered
Munchkin2
Munchkin2Munchkin2Sligo, Ireland16 Threads 787 Posts
But is there a right answer? I don't think so. Whatever decision he makes is personal and subjective; whatever we think of each decision is also personal and subjective. I don't think we can actually reach an objectively right/correct answer to this one.
Sep 18, 2006 4:46 PM CST question from a book, but not answered
Munchkin2
Munchkin2Munchkin2Sligo, Ireland16 Threads 787 Posts
But is there a right answer? I don't think so. Whatever decision he makes is personal and subjective; whatever we think of each decision is also personal and subjective. I don't think we can actually reach an objectively right/correct answer to this one.
Sep 18, 2006 4:50 PM CST question from a book, but not answered
Marlboroman
MarlboromanMarlboromanTipperary, Ireland11 Posts
that's what I thought all along...phew..the relief! Still that exercised the brain for a change! laugh
Sep 18, 2006 4:58 PM CST question from a book, but not answered
The issue as it seems to me is this, the choice has been made, he chose not to fight, his world dies,
The fact that he chose his belief in non violence over saving his own people and himself,
proves him no coward .
in fact regardless of the fact that his world dies, HE dies, he gives his life for his beliefs.
Surrendering your life cannot in this case be the act of a coward, or can it?
Bearing in mind that he chose not to kill because of his beliefs, would not a true hero surrender not his life but his very beliefs, what are the beliefs of one man compared to millions of lives given away without challenge?
So hero or coward?
A coward may fight to save his own life regardless of the outcome.
A hero on the other hand would surrender everything for others, beliefs and all
It’s a question that I feel cannot be answered
But in my opinion, taking responsibility for the death of another race destroying your own beliefs and your own morality to save your world, is a sacrifice taken that cannot be called less than heroic, despite the blood on your hands.
Failure to fight, refusing responsibility and blame and standing behind beliefs count for cowardice
So a coward
Sep 18, 2006 4:59 PM CST question from a book, but not answered
ssukying
ssukyingssukyingDublin, Ireland3 Threads 93 Posts
Thank you Munchkin2. I really enjoy reading your opinion.

I think I have a lot of study to do...
Sep 18, 2006 5:04 PM CST question from a book, but not answered
ssukying
ssukyingssukyingDublin, Ireland3 Threads 93 Posts
I was expecting something like this from you, Druss.

The fact that, you already have the designated answer, waiting to be hit by others.

I have to admit that your answer makes the most sense of all.

Have to look at you from another dimension and thank you very much for tonight!

handshake
Sep 18, 2006 5:17 PM CST question from a book, but not answered
why thank you, to be honast i really didnt know what my answer would be until i wrote all thoughts down, but i think each answer can only be a reflection on ourselves, and what we can hold up and call good or stamp on and call bad.wink
Sep 18, 2006 5:30 PM CST question from a book, but not answered
ssukying
ssukyingssukyingDublin, Ireland3 Threads 93 Posts
Frankly speaking, I didn't really think much. I was just playing along. Hey, I thought I graduated for a long time that I no longer have to attend any examinations frustrated
Sep 18, 2006 11:23 PM CST question from a book, but not answered
Munchkin2
Munchkin2Munchkin2Sligo, Ireland16 Threads 787 Posts
Well argued. You haven't convinced me, but i've enjoyed the debate.

Mconversing
Sep 19, 2006 2:24 AM CST question from a book, but not answered
Munchkin2
Munchkin2Munchkin2Sligo, Ireland16 Threads 787 Posts
Having given your answer some more thought, I think something else that might need to be considered would be the whole question of whether or not you think we possess a soul, and believe in an afterlife. If you do, then the only thing that he can do anything about is his soul, given that no matter what decision he makes, he is going to be responsible for many deaths.

And the other thing is that very often a refusal to fight, taking responsiblity for one's own actions and staying true to your beliefs takes an awful lot more guts and courage than following the crowd, which is what fighting would be.

Given that his only real choice in the whole thing is how he dies, then the truly heroic thing to do is to so virtuously.
Sep 19, 2006 3:03 AM CST question from a book, but not answered
I have just 1 major question to ask before i would or evan comtemplate trying to asses the situation the men find them selves in and that would be who is doing the ordering??.
But my humble oppionion would be as follow.

He refused knowingly what lies ahead of him and his world for refusing to KILL,kill being the operative word he used, he did not refuse to fight.
what does that tell you about the world he has refused to KILL for,maybe it is all forgiving of his choice,maybe not, maybe its not worth killing for ,maybe it is.
the question should be asked why would he make the choice he did, and im afraid i come up with to many variables.I consider the man to be a hero for following his belief even if he does so while he condems himself and his world.

what do morals and faith cost to follow now a days, does it cost many lives.

remember the story in the bible of the mother who gave up her child to save it from being cut in half.
Sep 19, 2006 11:53 AM CST question from a book, but not answered
PROTECT THE INNOCENT AT ALL COSTS (SIMPLE)
Sep 19, 2006 11:57 AM CST question from a book, but not answered
or simpler still
what if our guy needs to kill in order to save a Childs life?
but refuses.



IN THIS CASE HE IS A COWARD
Sep 19, 2006 12:50 PM CST question from a book, but not answered
luke4u
luke4uluke4ucork, Cork Ireland27 Threads 1 Polls 263 Posts
in the end a innocent man is killed and a killer is born but yet to his people he is a hero for saving all of them by closing some ones eyes forever.in this world you can say sorry for a lot of things but murder is not one of them .
Sep 19, 2006 1:07 PM CST question from a book, but not answered
and the answer to the question?
Sep 19, 2006 1:18 PM CST question from a book, but not answered
oh the book is stephen donaldson's; chronicles of thomas covenant.
kinda like lord o the rings ish, but with the hero being a joe soap sucked from our world to theirs, brillant stuff
Sep 19, 2006 5:00 PM CST question from a book, but not answered
Munchkin2
Munchkin2Munchkin2Sligo, Ireland16 Threads 787 Posts
Must check it out - loved LOTR
Sep 25, 2006 3:10 AM CST question from a book, but not answered
Corruptedbyfaith
CorruptedbyfaithCorruptedbyfaithlimerick, Limerick Ireland1 Posts
he could just be a passivist or just plain weak and bound to lose its not as simple as is he a coward or a hero you forget the major part of human emotion
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