DOES THE JAPANESE GOVERNMENT HAVE THE RIGHT TO REOPEN NUCLEAR PLANTS LOCATED IN SISMIC OR TSUNAMI RI (134)
SUNSHINEB0Y: 1. as compared to a nuclear powerplant
Please explain the maintenance involved so we can make a determination as you stated "this is not a theory it is actually in use today and apparentlythe maintainance is very minimal. ".
SUNSHINEB0Y: 2.I don't recall calling anybody, let alone a nation, morons and I certainly didn't claim to be all seeing.
Then you are not able to determine what is best for Japanese people then.
SUNSHINEB0Y: 3. If powering the world is worth so much, then it should be worth the investment to do it in a manner that will not risk ruining the world for generations to come,
Then using that logic, which I also agree is sound, one can extrapolate that the experts do not see your ideas as viable alternatives to existing power sources at this time.
Conrad73: But you're blabbing like Heck,about something which you don't have a Clue!
No I'm talking about having the common sense to look at the results of the mistakes that have already been made, rather than allowing people to be wilfully blind enough to just carry on and make more.
I realize that I have as much chance of getting your common sense to over ride your ego as I do of stopping the worlds lust for power and bombs so I give up. good night.
SUNSHINEB0Y: No I'm talking about having the common sense to look at the results of the mistakes that have already been made, rather than allowing people to be wilfully blind enough to just carry on and make more.
Why on earth would you believe that errors and areas that can be improved upon are not being looked at and addressed?
Albertaghost: Why on earth would you believe that errors and areas that can be improved upon are not being looked at and addressed?
It seems to me that they are still trying to "address" the tsunami
Their strategy seems to be based on early warning.what makes you believe that they can "improve" or even think of all the "areas" that would have to be "addressed" to make a failsafe model?
of course they would tell you they have, before they build...and then when some unforseen meteor fragment hits it or after a terrorist attack or some human error or other natural disaster occurs and causes another slip up they'll say "well nobody could have predicted that!"
They will be wrong, if you keep the kids away from the fire they don't get burned, that's the simple truth.
We know it's there, we know a little of what it can do, we know a bit about the dangers of it, we also know that if we invest a fraction of what we've invested in it we can come up with some other ways to do the same thing in safer ways, lets write it off as a bad idea before we do anymore damage to future generations and get on with sorting out something else more appropriate, that's my considdered opinion.
I'm not trying to change your mind just getting my idea out there, so I'm not going to debate it further, peeps can read what we've written and make their own minds up.
SUNSHINEB0Y: It seems to me that they are still trying to "address" the tsunamiTheir strategy seems to be based on early warning.
One area I know of is based on higher berms and more secure backup electrical systems. Let me know when you read up on it so we can further discuss this matter.
SUNSHINEB0Y: what makes you believe that they can "improve" or even think of all the "areas" that would have to be "addressed" to make a failsafe model?
What makes you think different? The model you use for your Chicken Little routine was over thirty years old so the technology used would have been almost half a century behind what is being engineered now.
It may make a difference with your opinions about Nuclear Power Plants, new or old. if you live near one. I live 20 miles from a Nuclear Power Facility in Perry, Ohio; within the danger zone. Perry is more often shut down because of flaws in engineering, and is in fact shut down now. The Facility is also under investigation for Employee negligence. When Perry was built, it was supposedly a state of the art new Nuclear Plant Technology.
Remember the near catastrophe at 3 Mile Island in Pennsylvania, USA, where radiation was leaked into the air?
We need to look at other alternatives and phase out Nuclear Power as an option.
Remember the near catastrophe at 3 Mile Island in Pennsylvania, USA, where radiation was leaked into the air?
We need to look at other alternatives and phase out Nuclear Power as an option.
johnaustin123: It may make a difference with your opinions about Nuclear Power Plants, new or old. if you live near one. I live 20 miles from a Nuclear Power Facility in Perry, Ohio; within the danger zone.
Not really as I lived for fourteen years thirty miles from one and certainly didn't spend nights worrying. Matter of fact, the yellow cake from Iraq was sent there.
johnaustin123: Perry is more often shut down because of flaws in engineering, and is in fact shut down now. The Facility is also under investigation for Employee negligence. When Perry was built, it was supposedly a state of the art new Nuclear Plant Technology.
Thirty years ago, same as the one in Japan.
johnaustin123:
We need to look at other alternatives and phase out Nuclear Power as an option.
We need to look at other alternatives and phase out Nuclear Power as an option.
Sure. And, until something can be found, stick with what we know can produce what we need.
Albertaghost: Not really as I lived for fourteen years thirty miles from one and certainly didn't spend nights worrying. Matter of fact, the yellow cake from Iraq was sent there.
Thirty years ago, same as the one in Japan.
Sure. And, until something can be found, stick with what we know can produce what we need.
China is building Pebble-Bed and other New Design Reactors!Thirty years ago, same as the one in Japan.
Sure. And, until something can be found, stick with what we know can produce what we need.
Albertaghost: One area I know of is based on higher berms and more secure backup electrical systems. Let me know when you read up on it so we can further discuss this matter.
What makes you think different? The model you use for your Chicken Little routine was over thirty years old so the technology used would have been almost half a century behind what is being engineered now.
What makes you think different? The model you use for your Chicken Little routine was over thirty years old so the technology used would have been almost half a century behind what is being engineered now.
30 yrs old you say? still working today and never hurt a soul, no breakdowns, in constant use, and absolutely no risk of radioactive pollution that has a half life of thousands of years, sounds far better to me!.
SUNSHINEB0Y: 30 yrs old you say? still working today and never hurt a soul, no breakdowns, in constant use, and absolutely no risk of radioactive pollution that has a half life of thousands of years, sounds far better to me!.
Right on!
Like I said, for something thirty years old it did alright and, the technology was fifty years old . Now, the ones being built are far superior so, your argument as you have recognized is redundant.
SUNSHINEB0Y: 30 yrs old you say? still working today and never hurt a soul, no breakdowns, in constant use, and absolutely no risk of radioactive pollution that has a half life of thousands of years, sounds far better to me!.
You really need to Update your Info!Albertaghost:
Thirty years ago, same as the one in Japan.
Thirty years ago, same as the one in Japan.
what about the one in scotland that was supposed to be state of the art....thirty years ago, it's not even finished yetSUNSHINEB0Y: what about the one in scotland that was supposed to be state of the art....thirty years ago, it's not even finished yet
actually the Reactors you are Belly-aching about are Designs from the Sixties!You're risking serious Knee-Injury!
Like I said!
You need to upgrade your Information on Reactors,if you have any Info about the Designs at all!
Seems you fell Victim to the Hysterical Propaganda of Greenpeace,Sierra-Club and sundry other Chicken Littles!
Albertaghost: Right on!
Like I said, for something thirty years old it did alright and, the technology was fifty years old . Now, the ones being built are far superior so, your argument as you have recognized is redundant.
Like I said, for something thirty years old it did alright and, the technology was fifty years old . Now, the ones being built are far superior so, your argument as you have recognized is redundant.
I was refering to what you called a chicken little (I don't know where that came from but you seem to have lots of funny ideas) I don't actually believe that the wavepower thing is that old but if you say so
Aluminium is 100% recyclable, the waste doen't rust and no pollute waters....ANYONE REMEMBER THAT RED FLOOD IN CENTRAL EUROPE? Hungary, I think, not sure. Alluminium Industrie.
SUNSHINEB0Y: I was refering to what you called a chicken little (I don't know where that came from but you seem to have lots of funny ideas) I don't actually believe that the wavepower thing is that old but if you say so
Chicken little, "the sky is falling" ring a bell? You are not very well read for a gent who proposes to change the entire world.
A case in point, I never mentioned 'wavepower' so, it seems you are not even able to read this thread yet you propose to do away with a major source of energy for the planet on your 'Chicken Little' misinformed whim.
Conrad73: actually the Reactors you are Belly-aching about are Designs from the Sixties!
You're risking serious Knee-Injury!
Like I said!
You need to upgrade your Information on Reactors,if you have any Info about the Designs at all!
Seems you fell Victim to the Hysterical Propaganda of Greenpeace,Sierra-Club and sundry other Chicken Littles!
You're risking serious Knee-Injury!
Like I said!
You need to upgrade your Information on Reactors,if you have any Info about the Designs at all!
Seems you fell Victim to the Hysterical Propaganda of Greenpeace,Sierra-Club and sundry other Chicken Littles!
You seem to be a bit thick or are deliberately not getting what I'm saying at all, I don't care how expertly engineered any design of nuclear reactor is, I'm just against them in principle because of the magnitude of the negative effect on the world when things do go wrong thats all.
There is absolutely no industry in the world that can 100% guarantee that things will never go wrong.
Is that so very hard to understand? or do you think that in some way you should have the right to change my opinion? why should I look up things I'm not interested in just to please you? it wouldn't change my opinion if I did!
Am I supposed to be happy about the chinese using pebbles? sorry but I'm not, I wasn't happy when the chinese were doing nuclear explosion tests in the ocean and we had awfull weather here for two years after it, what makes you think I'll be happier about it on your say so?
SUNSHINEB0Y: You seem to be a bit thick or are deliberately not getting what I'm saying at all, I don't care how expertly engineered any design of nuclear reactor is, I'm just against them in principle because of the magnitude of the negative effect on the world when things do go wrong thats all.
There is absolutely no industry in the world that can 100% guarantee that things will never go wrong.
Is that so very hard to understand? or do you think that in some way you should have the right to change my opinion? why should I look up things I'm not interested in just to please you? it wouldn't change my opinion if I did!
Am I supposed to be happy about the chinese using pebbles? sorry but I'm not, I wasn't happy when the chinese were doing nuclear explosion tests in the ocean and we had awfull weather here for two years after it, what makes you think I'll be happier about it on your say so?
in other words,you just don't know,and you refuse to know!There is absolutely no industry in the world that can 100% guarantee that things will never go wrong.
Is that so very hard to understand? or do you think that in some way you should have the right to change my opinion? why should I look up things I'm not interested in just to please you? it wouldn't change my opinion if I did!
Am I supposed to be happy about the chinese using pebbles? sorry but I'm not, I wasn't happy when the chinese were doing nuclear explosion tests in the ocean and we had awfull weather here for two years after it, what makes you think I'll be happier about it on your say so?
Yet you believe that makes you a Partner in any Discussion about Nuclear Power!
SUNSHINEB0Y: You seem to be a bit thick or are deliberately not getting what I'm saying at all, I don't care how expertly engineered any design of nuclear reactor is, I'm just against them in principle because of the magnitude of the negative effect on the world when things do go wrong thats all.
Conrad is not thick, unlike you, he doesn't gear his opinions and thinking to knee jerk emotions like you do.
SUNSHINEB0Y: There is absolutely no industry in the world that can 100% guarantee that things will never go wrong.
Right. So, what is your problem in singling out one industry then?
SUNSHINEB0Y: Is that so very hard to understand? or do you think that in some way you should have the right to change my opinion? why should I look up things I'm not interested in just to please you? it wouldn't change my opinion if I did!
A closed minded individual if there ever was one.
SUNSHINEB0Y:
"most viable" is a subjective concept that depends on the criteria applied.
"most viable" is a subjective concept that depends on the criteria applied.
Wind generators, an idea that it could have occurred to Sancho Panza.
The spanish ecologists (leaded by the International Ecologist) have been opposing for years, citing "pollution of the landscape" and that some birds die when they hit those windmills.
Albertaghost: Chicken little, "the sky is falling" ring a bell? You are not very well read for a gent who proposes to change the entire world.
A case in point, I never mentioned 'wavepower' so, it seems you are not even able to read this thread yet you propose to do away with a major source of energy for the planet on your 'Chicken Little' misinformed whim.
A case in point, I never mentioned 'wavepower' so, it seems you are not even able to read this thread yet you propose to do away with a major source of energy for the planet on your 'Chicken Little' misinformed whim.
once again you have managed to misconstrue the whole point.
I don't want to change the entire world at all, in fact as a farmer I spend my life trying to maintain the status quo on my little bit.
All I want is for other people not to change it for the worse unnecesarily. simples
GUZMAN1: I don't know how far can arrive a radioactive cloud...
Legally yes...morally and ethically.... no....
Albertaghost:
A closed minded individual if there ever was one.
A closed minded individual if there ever was one.
it's my opinion and I'm entitled to it every bit as much as you or conrad are entitled to yours
SUNSHINEB0Y: once again you have managed to misconstrue the whole point.
I don't want to change the entire world at all, in fact as a farmer I spend my life trying to maintain the status quo on my little bit.
All I want is for other people not to change it for the worse unnecesarily. simples
I don't want to change the entire world at all, in fact as a farmer I spend my life trying to maintain the status quo on my little bit.
All I want is for other people not to change it for the worse unnecesarily. simples
Nice try using a play on words. You wish for the world to change based on your probable false reality which is based on you not even having the git go to look up information.
Albertaghost: Nice try using a play on words. You wish for the world to change based on your probable false reality which is based on you not even having the git go to look up information.
trying to belittle me won't make you right
SUNSHINEB0Y: trying to belittle me won't make you right
Who is belittling you? I merely state fact. Fact is you refused to read up on this subject instead, preferring to spew nonsense and, even stated that no counter information would ever get you to change your mind or way of viewing this matter. Hence, the following statement is true and is stating a fact, not belittling anybody;
"You wish for the world to change based on your probable false reality which is based on you not even having the git go to look up information."
On the other hand, you wish to read about somebody who belittles others, check out what this guy said;
"you seem to have lots of funny ideas
I don't actually believe that the wavepower thing is that old but if you say so"
Albertaghost: Who is belittling you? I merely state fact. Fact is you refused to read up on this subject instead, preferring to spew nonsense and, even stated that no counter information would ever get you to change your mind or way of viewing this matter. Hence, the following statement is true and is stating a fact, not belittling anybody;
"You wish for the world to change based on your probable false reality which is based on you not even having the git go to look up information."
On the other hand, you wish to read about somebody who belittles others, check out what this guy said;
"you seem to have lots of funny ideas
I don't actually believe that the wavepower thing is that old but if you say so"
"You wish for the world to change based on your probable false reality which is based on you not even having the git go to look up information."
On the other hand, you wish to read about somebody who belittles others, check out what this guy said;
"you seem to have lots of funny ideas
I don't actually believe that the wavepower thing is that old but if you say so"
I felt you were, I never heard of chicken little and was certainly not trying to emulate anybody's "routine" and I do think it's a funny idea that you should think so.
My bath is ready so I'm off now.
leigh2154: Legally yes...morally and ethically.... no....
I don't know your country Laws, but I am lawyer and I know the Spanish and European Laws, and nobody can poison the neighbor's garden watering yours with cyanide, even when is your garden.
You must compensate him, and I heard that in your country too.
SUNSHINEB0Y: I felt you were, I never heard of chicken little and was certainly not trying to emulate anybody's "routine" and I do think it's a funny idea that you should think so.
and;
I was refering to what you called a chicken little (I don't know where that came from but you seem to have lots of funny ideas)
and;
I was refering to what you called a chicken little (I don't know where that came from but you seem to have lots of funny ideas)
wiki: Henny Penny, also known as Chicken Licken or Chicken Little, is a fable in the form of a cumulative tale about a chicken who believes the world is coming to an end. The phrase The sky is falling! features prominently in the story, and has passed into the English language as a common idiom indicating a hysterical or mistaken belief that disaster is imminent.
Seems you are not very well read as it states it is a common idiom in the English language.
SUNSHINEB0Y: .do the new designes allow for that?
SUNSHINEB0Y: you are right I didn't bother to look at the links, I don't see the point, I never claimed to be a nuclear physisist and I have no interest in it.
SUNSHINEB0Y: there is no knowing how many of the people like my wife that died of cancer was a result of radiation leaks at chernobyl or sellafield or trowsfinnyd and there will be no knowing how many peeps have and will be victims of the japan disaster radiation.
SUNSHINEB0Y: if we have nuclear facilities we will have accidents, it is not only our future that is in jeopardy but the future of all our offspring, we do not have the right to ruin the earth for them and make millions of them ill and die before their time.
SUNSHINEB0Y: if half the money that was spent on nuclear power was spent in other directions there would be no need for the risk.
SUNSHINEB0Y: you are right I didn't bother to look at the links, I don't see the point, I never claimed to be a nuclear physisist and I have no interest in it.
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if I do live long enough to see them built I won't be happy about it but I think if they are built sooner or later there will be an "accident" at one, I wish I could also say that it would only be the advocates of them that would be hurt but it but alas radiation is indiscriminate, just as it is not only the drivers of cars that get hurt by them, there is no knowing how many of the people like my wife that died of cancer was a result of radiation leaks at chernobyl or sellafield or trowsfinnyd and there will be no knowing how many peeps have and will be victims of the japan disaster radiation.
I don't claim to be one of them or anywhere near as smart as them but the "best minds on the planet" dont realize or act upon the knowledge that nuclear facilities are more about plutonium for bombs than they are about producing electricity, certainly the ones in the uk have never been financially viable for electricity generation, we have plants that are well past their life expectancy that have never broken even and are certainly not viable (cost wise) to shut down.
It doesn't take a genius to work out that the "best minds on the planet" have to do as they are told by the peeps that pay their wages.