Saudi Arabia and other muslim countries: do you believe you need Westerns to safe you? (28)
is there any point, people have there own pre conceived ideas
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morgan5: is there any point, people have there own pre conceived ideas
I can't believe you think there's no point?
Ok, this is the place to poison all the pre-conceived ideas. If those we think are victims come and speak loud, that will always give an allert to many!
You must as well admit that as a foreigner, from a country where women are able to do the same things that men do, you are more likely to receive a different treatment from even a great "macho" oriented...or not? Lets hear those women as well...
I remember that in youtube, there was a video from queen/princess of Jordan, trying to explain and make clear how Westerns were wrong about life in Jordan at least. Now, was that view only from a queen/princess perspective?
Everything is worth debating here...besides that new proposal coming from Ken
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cristina: I can't believe you think there's no point?
Ok, this is the place to poison all the pre-conceived ideas. If those we think are victims come and speak loud, that will always give an allert to many!
You must as well admit that as a foreigner, from a country where women are able to do the same things that men do, you are more likely to receive a different treatment from even a great "macho" oriented...or not? Lets hear those women as well...
I remember that in youtube, there was a video from queen/princess of Jordan, trying to explain and make clear how Westerns were wrong about life in Jordan at least. Now, was that view only from a queen/princess perspective?
Everything is worth debating here...besides that new proposal coming from Ken
there are not many Muslim females that post on the forums so i can't see there will be a balanced view. I lived in a Muslim country, ran a business along side them, and did not live in a British area but a Muslim one. I have posted many times before on this subject and said i was treatd with respect and so were my Turkish female friends many ran there own business's, they went out and were able to wear what they wanted, drink, smoke, and go to bars . Obviously i can only talk about my experiences and the Muslim country i was in, but so often i am told i am so wrong. That is what i meant by whats the point.Ok, this is the place to poison all the pre-conceived ideas. If those we think are victims come and speak loud, that will always give an allert to many!
You must as well admit that as a foreigner, from a country where women are able to do the same things that men do, you are more likely to receive a different treatment from even a great "macho" oriented...or not? Lets hear those women as well...
I remember that in youtube, there was a video from queen/princess of Jordan, trying to explain and make clear how Westerns were wrong about life in Jordan at least. Now, was that view only from a queen/princess perspective?
Everything is worth debating here...besides that new proposal coming from Ken
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morgan5: there are not many Muslim females that post on the forums so i can't see there will be a balanced view. I lived in a Muslim country, ran a business along side them, and did not live in a British area but a Muslim one. I have posted many times before on this subject and said i was treatd with respect and so were my Turkish female friends many ran there own business's, they went out and were able to wear what they wanted, drink, smoke, and go to bars . Obviously i can only talk about my experiences and the Muslim country i was in, but so often i am told i am so wrong. That is what i meant by whats the point.
I've always had the impression that Turkey is not AT ALL equal to other muslim countries from deep middle east nor to Morroco for instance. Turkey seems to be balancing beetween western ways and middle eastern ways...no?
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I also have the impression that women there are hard workers...i mean in the muslim and middle eastern countries despite restrictions that they might suffer...
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cristina: I've always had the impression that Turkey is not AT ALL equal to other muslim countries from deep middle east nor to Morroco for instance. Turkey seems to be balancing beetween western ways and middle eastern ways...no?
yes i think it is, it does make me sad when people lump all Muslim countries together and make assumptions that are not always correct. When i was with my partner i could even carry a shopping bag he did, he also did all the cooking. Not saying there weren't cultural differences of course there were but it was an experience i would not have missed------ This poll is Archived ------
cristina: I also have the impression that women there are hard workers...i mean in the muslim and middle eastern countries despite restrictions that they might suffer...
In some ares they depend heavily on tourism, the season is short about 5 months and then you have to make enough to get thro the winter, so life is hard we worked from 8.30am till 1 am 7 days a week as everyone did. The family unit is strong and it is normal for generations of family to live together so the parents are looked after until death.------ This poll is Archived ------
morgan5: yes i think it is, it does make me sad when people lump all Muslim countries together and make assumptions that are not always correct. When i was with my partner i could even carry a shopping bag he did, he also did all the cooking. Not saying there weren't cultural differences of course there were but it was an experience i would not have missed
Oh, i never knew you've dated a Turkish! So that was an experience you wouldn't have missed, how nice to hear!
Of course they are not all the same. It's easy for us to see how great difference there is between Turkey and other, Iran and others, Israel, this one very modern as well, despite...
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morgan5: In some ares they depend heavily on tourism, the season is short about 5 months and then you have to make enough to get thro the winter, so life is hard we worked from 8.30am till 1 am 7 days a week as everyone did. The family unit is strong and it is normal for generations of family to live together so the parents are looked after until death.
Yes, the sense of family is strong, i know that. They love their relatives very much and stick together a lot.
It sounds you are now having a sort of retirement in Malta
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cristina: Oh, i never knew you've dated a Turkish! So that was an experience you wouldn't have missed, how nice to hear!
Of course they are not all the same. It's easy for us to see how great difference there is between Turkey and other, Iran and others, Israel, this one very modern as well, despite...
you have an open mind not everyone does, and yes i lived with a Turkish man for 4 yrs . I would not have missed experiencing the culture and the kindness i was treated with, they were interested in my culture and loved it that i had an interest in there's plus it's a beautiful country.Of course they are not all the same. It's easy for us to see how great difference there is between Turkey and other, Iran and others, Israel, this one very modern as well, despite...
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morgan5: you have an open mind not everyone does, and yes i lived with a Turkish man for 4 yrs . I would not have missed experiencing the culture and the kindness i was treated with, they were interested in my culture and loved it that i had an interest in there's plus it's a beautiful country.
Yes, i remember it being a very beautiful country. I remember you've posted some pics as well.
Thanks...
No matter if women don't show up today here, they will one of these days. And if they don't show their face, they will have to speak their language a bit just in case
We must know what's going on in those countries, yes!
Thanks for your contribution Morgan
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Morgan, is it easy to see many mixed couples there: westerns and Turkish? We still have a good percentage of adventurous people don't we?
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cristina: Morgan, is it easy to see many mixed couples there: westerns and Turkish? We still have a good percentage of adventurous people don't we?
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Hi Cristi
I don't anyone should save another (can't be done IMO)
So that would apply to countries "saving " other countries 2,
yes give aid etc, be civil ,be on friendly terms if possible ,
but so much manipulation can occur when "helping " or "saving "
another person or country !
Imagine the scenario , power and control,
if I help you or a country , you do it my way ,right?
I will help you but there are CONDITIONS !!!!!
You behave how I would like you too, don't disagree with me and I
will be your staunchest ally.
But if you are not a sycophant , I will pout !!
Take what ever I gave you away and be petulant !!
No ta , be it another country ,friendship no, I will find out and grow myself, of course with positve help rather than being controlled , manipulated or in some way used JMO
I don't anyone should save another (can't be done IMO)
So that would apply to countries "saving " other countries 2,
yes give aid etc, be civil ,be on friendly terms if possible ,
but so much manipulation can occur when "helping " or "saving "
another person or country !
Imagine the scenario , power and control,
if I help you or a country , you do it my way ,right?
I will help you but there are CONDITIONS !!!!!
You behave how I would like you too, don't disagree with me and I
will be your staunchest ally.
But if you are not a sycophant , I will pout !!
Take what ever I gave you away and be petulant !!
No ta , be it another country ,friendship no, I will find out and grow myself, of course with positve help rather than being controlled , manipulated or in some way used JMO
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morgan5: yes it's quite common place alot of Turkish Russian marriages as well,
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livinglarge: Hi Cristi I don't anyone should save another (can't be done IMO)
So that would apply to countries "saving " other countries 2,
yes give aid etc, be civil ,be on friendly terms if possible ,
but so much manipulation can occur when "helping " or "saving "
another person or country !
Imagine the scenario , power and control,
if I help you or a country , you do it my way ,right?
I will help you but there are CONDITIONS !!!!!
You behave how I would like you too, don't disagree with me and I
will be your staunchest ally.
But if you are not a sycophant , I will pout !!
Take what ever I gave you away and be petulant !!
No ta , be it another country ,friendship no, I will find out and grow myself, of course with positve help rather than being controlled , manipulated or in some way used JMO
So that would apply to countries "saving " other countries 2,
yes give aid etc, be civil ,be on friendly terms if possible ,
but so much manipulation can occur when "helping " or "saving "
another person or country !
Imagine the scenario , power and control,
if I help you or a country , you do it my way ,right?
I will help you but there are CONDITIONS !!!!!
You behave how I would like you too, don't disagree with me and I
will be your staunchest ally.
But if you are not a sycophant , I will pout !!
Take what ever I gave you away and be petulant !!
No ta , be it another country ,friendship no, I will find out and grow myself, of course with positve help rather than being controlled , manipulated or in some way used JMO
Hahaha babygirl
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cristina: Hahaha babygirl
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livinglarge: Hi Cristi I don't anyone should save another (can't be done IMO)
So that would apply to countries "saving " other countries 2,
yes give aid etc, be civil ,be on friendly terms if possible ,
but so much manipulation can occur when "helping " or "saving "
another person or country !
Imagine the scenario , power and control,
if I help you or a country , you do it my way ,right?
I will help you but there are CONDITIONS !!!!!
You behave how I would like you too, don't disagree with me and I
will be your staunchest ally.
But if you are not a sycophant , I will pout !!
Take what ever I gave you away and be petulant !!
No ta , be it another country ,friendship no, I will find out and grow myself, of course with positve help rather than being controlled , manipulated or in some way used JMO
So that would apply to countries "saving " other countries 2,
yes give aid etc, be civil ,be on friendly terms if possible ,
but so much manipulation can occur when "helping " or "saving "
another person or country !
Imagine the scenario , power and control,
if I help you or a country , you do it my way ,right?
I will help you but there are CONDITIONS !!!!!
You behave how I would like you too, don't disagree with me and I
will be your staunchest ally.
But if you are not a sycophant , I will pout !!
Take what ever I gave you away and be petulant !!
No ta , be it another country ,friendship no, I will find out and grow myself, of course with positve help rather than being controlled , manipulated or in some way used JMO
Hello, LL!
You descibe Africa, the aid it recieves, and the strings attached.
Smart girl.
Cris,
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lusciousmile: Hello, LL!
You descibe Africa, the aid it recieves, and the strings attached.
Smart girl.
Cris,
You descibe Africa, the aid it recieves, and the strings attached.
Smart girl.
Cris,
Your Indian Kenyan bf doesn't count here ok?
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lusciousmile: Hello, LL!
You descibe Africa, the aid it recieves, and the strings attached.
Smart girl.
Cris,
You descibe Africa, the aid it recieves, and the strings attached.
Smart girl.
Cris,
Evening Lush
sometimes there is too high a price for those being "saved"
or "helped"
Unhealthy IMO, firstly be your own best friend
you have to be,
once that is accomplished you can be a friend to everybody
you are safe gaurded by your own strenght
I have had help of course, but if I take help I am
not owned , just wise enough to ask for it in the first place
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cristina: Your Indian Kenyan bf doesn't count here ok?
Silly girl.
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livinglarge: Evening Lush
sometimes there is too high a price for those being "saved"
or "helped"
Unhealthy IMO, firstly be your own best friend
you have to be,
once that is accomplished you can be a friend to everybody
you are safe gaurded by your own strenght
I have had help of course, but if I take help I am
not owned , just wise enough to ask for it in the first place
sometimes there is too high a price for those being "saved"
or "helped"
Unhealthy IMO, firstly be your own best friend
you have to be,
once that is accomplished you can be a friend to everybody
you are safe gaurded by your own strenght
I have had help of course, but if I take help I am
not owned , just wise enough to ask for it in the first place
I hear you, LL.
CHildren can be rescued, adults decide their fate.
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morgan5: yes it's quite common place alot of Turkish Russian marriages as well,
will you guys please stop for a while.this blog is especially for those from arabian countries.if you people start fighting over it,whats the point?you guys please stop and lets hear from those for whom this means something.gimme a break,guys!!!
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suraj543: will you guys please stop for a while.this blog is especially for those from arabian countries.if you people start fighting over it,whats the point?you guys please stop and lets hear from those for whom this means something.gimme a break,guys!!!
pssssssssst, will you please read the whole thread? You sound weird...nobody fought yet here...
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Safe? Safe from what? Each other!
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Not speaking of any countries, just situations.
If a person and another person had a disagreement. One person calls the police and the other likewise. Then in court a ruling is made that is fair to all. But one person does not feel it is right due to their own thinking. They ignore the ruling and fight the other again....out of sight,from the dark,and behind the back. The other knows who it is and confronts them face to face. Then as one person gets the upper hand, a friend of the other gives the losing person a knife. Then instead of a fight to injure it becomes a fight to kill and the one with the knife has an unfair support and weapons. A friend of the other person gives that person a knife so the fight is fair again. This continues back and forth until the whole neighborhood is involved in the fight. Then when the fighting is all done and all are involved and there is a winner who is able to control the others by force.
If the first two persons could have accepted a resonable ruling then it would have stopped there. But man can not accept a small lose and live.....but will die for it and lose all. Why not live for peace and not die for war... Foolish mankind!
One time a woman got mad at me for something I did not do. She had a great head of steam and was ready to word fight for all she was worth. If I had responed in defense with verbal equity. Then I would have to also beat the face in of my friend her husband. I cared more about my friends than about being falsely accused. I told her that it was an accident and poor judgement on my part and I was sorry! She stopped being mad instantly and said it was ok and she understood. Then she said she was sorry for getting so mad. I told her that if she has a problem with me to say so at the frist so it would not build up inside so much. She has more respect for me as a person and I did not lose friends. Later she found out she was in error and felt foolish and asked why I took the blame wrongly....I said because I love my friends......she walked away with tears....knowing she was loved more than pride and self interest. There was no war among all that could have been only peace and good times.
If a person and another person had a disagreement. One person calls the police and the other likewise. Then in court a ruling is made that is fair to all. But one person does not feel it is right due to their own thinking. They ignore the ruling and fight the other again....out of sight,from the dark,and behind the back. The other knows who it is and confronts them face to face. Then as one person gets the upper hand, a friend of the other gives the losing person a knife. Then instead of a fight to injure it becomes a fight to kill and the one with the knife has an unfair support and weapons. A friend of the other person gives that person a knife so the fight is fair again. This continues back and forth until the whole neighborhood is involved in the fight. Then when the fighting is all done and all are involved and there is a winner who is able to control the others by force.
If the first two persons could have accepted a resonable ruling then it would have stopped there. But man can not accept a small lose and live.....but will die for it and lose all. Why not live for peace and not die for war... Foolish mankind!
One time a woman got mad at me for something I did not do. She had a great head of steam and was ready to word fight for all she was worth. If I had responed in defense with verbal equity. Then I would have to also beat the face in of my friend her husband. I cared more about my friends than about being falsely accused. I told her that it was an accident and poor judgement on my part and I was sorry! She stopped being mad instantly and said it was ok and she understood. Then she said she was sorry for getting so mad. I told her that if she has a problem with me to say so at the frist so it would not build up inside so much. She has more respect for me as a person and I did not lose friends. Later she found out she was in error and felt foolish and asked why I took the blame wrongly....I said because I love my friends......she walked away with tears....knowing she was loved more than pride and self interest. There was no war among all that could have been only peace and good times.
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