Should Irish law change to give single dads more rights to there children. (34)

Jul 11, 2009 3:15 AM CST Should Irish law change to give single dads more rights to there children.
Sommerauer71
Sommerauer71Sommerauer71Salzburg, Austria133 Threads 4 Polls 12,414 Posts
Dante09: As a seperated father of 2 beautiful boys in Ireland and after going through the legal system I may shed some light on the topic....

Amazing rule 1.
If a father is not married to the mother of the child he has NO legal rights to that child. He has to go through the legal system to get guardianship and access. The whole idea that if your name is on the birth cert you have rights is false. it just strengthens you case for guardianship.
One case in the midlands 2 years ago saw a mother suffering with p.n.d put her daughter up for adoption and the father had to go through the adoption process the same as any other stranger for the chance to see his own child.

Amazing rule 2.
If joint custody is granted to both parents but the child only spends 1 overnight stay in the mothers home she is intitled to ALL financial support from the state AND maintenance from the father. Those supports include childerns allowance,early child benifit,school uniform allowence. All those will be granted to the mother in all but exceptional cases for as little as 12 days a year with the child.

They are just two examples of the Crazy laws in my country.

In my own case. My ex wife left and took both my kids. I spent 3 months fighting a legal systm that was stacked against me before I saw them again. My heart would break every night when i tucked up a photo of each of my boys in their cots before i went to bed, not knowing where they were or if they were safe. Oh and before ye ask I have never laid a hand in anger on either my wife or my boys. She left beacuse i had to go to sea with the naval service.
Thank god it has worked out for me and i get good access to my sons and i have a loving relationship with both of them.

I love my country, I really do but it needs to understand that a dads heart breaks just as much as a mums when he is seperated from his babies

sorry for ranting but i needed to have my say
Wow, that explains it all, sadly.

So it really is stacked against the father. The UK family law is against any case that is difficult. They slip through the net and the children are awarded to any parent that has the status quo.
Jul 11, 2009 3:22 AM CST Should Irish law change to give single dads more rights to there children.
Sommerauer71
Sommerauer71Sommerauer71Salzburg, Austria133 Threads 4 Polls 12,414 Posts
Monchi: I don't understand your argument! You say "no parent has a right to their children" and then you say "It is a child's right to have parents who love them" If children are taken away from their parents (by the state or another person), and the parents have no right (effectively to love) the children they bought into the world, then how can you ensure the child's right to have parents that love them? Unless of course you mean that this is not presently a right that parents have but which they should be given! Usually the people who brought the children into the world have their best interests at heart!


Hi there.

In the eyes of UK family law, if there is a residency dispute, which of course there usually is if it has gone to court, only a dispute if it has gone to court. A dispute over access, a dispute over residency, then the parent has no right over the child. In that a child with a good understanding, can state which parent they want to live with, and refuse to see another parent, and the courts will do nothing about it, which in essence makes a mockery of the term 'Family Law'

All children have a right to loving parents, yet if a child is alienated from one parent by a bitter parent then the child's account will be listened to over and above the parent, usually the one fighting for access or residency.

Automatic residency of a child should never be assumed, all parents have to apply for residency (formerly called custody) so if a father wants to have more contact and the mother is refusing that contact, then he can apply for residency.

Why I stepped out of the court system, and I was in it for five long years in the UK. Messy, it messed up me, my children and in the end the father and I made an agreement ourselves.

I hope that explains it better.
Jul 11, 2009 5:30 AM CST Should Irish law change to give single dads more rights to there children.
Dante09
Dante09Dante09CORK, Cork Ireland10 Posts
even that is unfair tho.
just beacuse one partner has the family homw should the other loose out??

All cases have to be taken on an individual basis with the child having the right to see both parents equally. That is for pre schoolers. For school going kids i think they should attend school in the district that they lived in before the marriage break up unless of course an abuseive parent lives in the family home. this is where the law must be flexable and adapt to the case in hand.
As for the money side of things......Why not work all benifits and maintenance on a precentage basis? if mummy has the child for 60% of the year she receives 60% of the benifits with the father receiving the 40% remainder.

im not asking for no rights for women nor am i a woman hater but jesus some rights would be lovely.

Did you know that in ireland there is no central register for guardianship?
so if you were granted guardianship from the court and you loose your piece of paper saying that, you are back at square one with no rights and must go through the system again.

why cant they put these records on a central data base like birth certs or marriage certs so you can get them when needed?

that would at least be a start
Jul 12, 2009 3:36 PM CST Should Irish law change to give single dads more rights to there children.
Dante09
Dante09Dante09CORK, Cork Ireland10 Posts
I just put a post on Youtube for my kids...

Its my first ever upload on that site so be nice.

Please leave comments and tips and let me know what ye think.

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