Thw world's oldest IVF mother has died at the age of sixty nine leaving behind two year old twins
The death of Maria del Carmen Bousada de Lara, who gave birth two years ago to premature twins, has fueled debate about in vitro fertilization treatment. Ms. Bousada de Lara lied about her age in order to receive IVF treatment from a Los Angeles fertility clinic.
She maintained that because her mother lived to be 101 years old, she would probably live long enough to raise the children. Unfortunately, she was diagnosed with cancer a few months after giving birth.
Good Points made there Ruby however i feel we shouldnt say no to giving someone the chance to have a child.. however i do feel that they should undergo major health checks before hand.. and if they dont meet a certain standard of health then maybe they shouldnt go through IVF jmo
RubyTuesday1: Thw world's oldest IVF mother has died at the age of sixty nine leaving behind two year old twins
The death of Maria del Carmen Bousada de Lara, who gave birth two years ago to premature twins, has fueled debate about in vitro fertilization treatment. Ms. Bousada de Lara lied about her age in order to receive IVF treatment from a Los Angeles fertility clinic.
She maintained that because her mother lived to be 101 years old, she would probably live long enough to raise the children. Unfortunately, she was diagnosed with cancer a few months after giving birth.
So what are your views on this? I voted yes
jmo... but i would think that being reasonably able bodied to be able to interact take part in a growing childs life is vital... now i don`t mean as in sporty athletic.. but in a sense be a little up with the trends and whats going on in touch with the now!...jmo
plus why ivf?? thosands of lil kids waiting to be addopted and their here now!! waiting to be loved... again jmo
puggle: jmo... but i would think that being reasonably able bodied to be able to interact take part in a growing childs life is vital... now i don`t mean as in sporty athletic.. but in a sense be a little up with the trends and whats going on in touch with the now!...jmo
plus why ivf?? thosands of lil kids waiting to be addopted and their here now!! waiting to be loved... again jmo
We could open a big can of worms here as guys can have kids at any age and women can't. Is there a limit you can put no age for guys and girls?.
No absolutely no, its an invalid arguement to say she died and left behind young twins, any parent at any age could be struck down by cancer, or be in a fatal accident, so to take the opportunity away from someone who has tried every avenue to have a child, simply because they are getting on in years is just not right..
skimpydoo: We could open a big can of worms here as guys can have kids at any age and women can't. Is there a limit you can put no age for guys and girls?.
you make a valid point ro...but i`m in the frame of mind to leave it to nature.. and its there for a reason... sometimes human natures curriousity for new ideals goes a lil too far... this is one of them..imo
puggle: jmo... but i would think that being reasonably able bodied to be able to interact take part in a growing childs life is vital... now i don`t mean as in sporty athletic.. but in a sense be a little up with the trends and whats going on in touch with the now!...jmo
plus why ivf?? thosands of lil kids waiting to be addopted and their here now!! waiting to be loved... again jmo
Good points Puggle and crazylegs
I just feel that if we are making the choice to become parents we should at least do the best we can to make sure we are around to nurture and rear our children. Yes, it can be taken out of our hands at anytime by accident or illness. I'm not anti IVF as I have friends who have successfully and unsuccessfully been through the treatment which is harrowing for a young healthy woman never mind an older one
I am all for helping ppl who are having problems conceiving but I feel that there should be an age limit on IVF. Yes any Mother can die at any stage, sadly,but the odds of that happening once you are over 60 are higher, and in fairness to any child they deserve the chance at having their parents around at least till they reach adulthood.
TheSecretPenguin: No absolutely no, its an invalid arguement to say she died and left behind young twins, any parent at any age could be struck down by cancer, or be in a fatal accident, so to take the opportunity away from someone who has tried every avenue to have a child, simply because they are getting on in years is just not right..
JMO
but is it not the duty of every parent to give the best possible life to an infant? not just the 1st ten yrs but atleast the 1st 20...? now i know i know... sure there are nannys length and breath of country raising kids... but on a personnal bassis my mum at 72 is just not able to handle my 3 at any lenghth over an hour..nor would i ask her to...
i think there is a cap on age comming up here? but what age is it?thats the tough question...and the other question is of the addoption issue.. there are 1000`s of babys out there.. if a lady can afford ivf..surely she must have met the criteria for addoption.. i dont know?? this is a tricky one all round?? jmo
vonney: I am all for helping ppl who are having problems conceiving but I feel that there should be an age limit on IVF. Yes any Mother can die at any stage, sadly,but the odds of that happening once you are over 60 are higher, and in fairness to any child they deserve the chance at having their parents around at least till they reach adulthood.
TheSecretPenguin: No absolutely no, its an invalid arguement to say she died and left behind young twins, any parent at any age could be struck down by cancer, or be in a fatal accident, so to take the opportunity away from someone who has tried every avenue to have a child, simply because they are getting on in years is just not right..
JMO
Until we stop looking at kids as a fashion accessory and start asking if we have the time to nurture them into balanced adults then we will reap what we sew. How can a woman who is nearly 70 expect to be guiding her kids through life. To me it's just as bad as these career couples who pop out kids and employ others to raise them. Downright selfish with no concern for the children involved.
puggle: but is it not the duty of every parent to give the best possible life to an infant? not just the 1st ten yrs but atleast the 1st 20...? now i know i know... sure there are nannys length and breath of country raising kids... but on a personnal bassis my mum at 72 is just not able to handle my 3 at any lenghth over an hour..nor would i ask her to...
i think there is a cap on age comming up here? but what age is it?thats the tough question...and the other question is of the addoption issue.. there are 1000`s of babys out there.. if a lady can afford ivf..surely she must have met the criteria for addoption.. i dont know?? this is a tricky one all round?? jmo
And on a practical note as someone who had children in her twenties and thirties I know the difficulties of teenagers now and honestly dont thinkk I could handle that if I was say my Mothers age.
but is it not the duty of every parent to give the best possible life to an infant? not just the 1st ten yrs but atleast the 1st 20...? now i know i know... sure there are nannys length and breath of country raising kids... but on a personnal bassis my mum at 72 is just not able to handle my 3 at any lenghth over an hour..nor would i ask her to...
i think there is a cap on age comming up here? but what age is it?thats the tough question...and the other question is of the addoption issue.. there are 1000`s of babys out there.. if a lady can afford ivf..surely she must have met the criteria for addoption.. i dont know?? this is a tricky one all round?? jmo[/quote
I think adoption is a whole other thread in itself, it seems from what i heard there are so many hoops to be jumped thru and so much red tape, and then theres the fact that children over a certain age have very little chance of been chosen... its just too sad for words...
skimpydoo: We could open a big can of worms here as guys can have kids at any age and women can't. Is there a limit you can put no age for guys and girls?.
Well Ro the difference there is that the guys role isnt as pysically demanding as the womans. Pregnancy and givin birth can take huge toll on the body, mentally and physically
puggle: you make a valid point ro...but i`m in the frame of mind to leave it to nature.. and its there for a reason... sometimes human natures curriousity for new ideals goes a lil too far... this is one of them..imo
Oh I agree with ya but just throwing out the idea that it's ok for an older man to be a parent but its not ok for an older woman.
TheSecretPenguin: but is it not the duty of every parent to give the best possible life to an infant? not just the 1st ten yrs but atleast the 1st 20...? now i know i know... sure there are nannys length and breath of country raising kids... but on a personnal bassis my mum at 72 is just not able to handle my 3 at any lenghth over an hour..nor would i ask her to...
i think there is a cap on age comming up here? but what age is it?thats the tough question...and the other question is of the addoption issue.. there are 1000`s of babys out there.. if a lady can afford ivf..surely she must have met the criteria for addoption.. i dont know?? this is a tricky one all round?? jmo[/quote
I think adoption is a whole other thread in itself, it seems from what i heard there are so many hoops to be jumped thru and so much red tape, and then theres the fact that children over a certain age have very little chance of been chosen... its just too sad for words...
i agree entirely.. its a subject i know alot about (me and my sibblings) all addopted.. and the hoops decent childless folk have to jump thru is horrendous and demorrilissing!(SPELT WRONG) and yet theres madge flying thru mali pickin em up at a moments nottice..... but like ya said diff thread..
TheSecretPenguin: but is it not the duty of every parent to give the best possible life to an infant? not just the 1st ten yrs but atleast the 1st 20...? now i know i know... sure there are nannys length and breath of country raising kids... but on a personnal bassis my mum at 72 is just not able to handle my 3 at any lenghth over an hour..nor would i ask her to...
i think there is a cap on age comming up here? but what age is it?thats the tough question...and the other question is of the addoption issue.. there are 1000`s of babys out there.. if a lady can afford ivf..surely she must have met the criteria for addoption.. i dont know?? this is a tricky one all round?? jmo[/quote
I think adoption is a whole other thread in itself, it seems from what i heard there are so many hoops to be jumped thru and so much red tape, and then theres the fact that children over a certain age have very little chance of been chosen... its just too sad for words...
Adoption is wonderful but there's so much red tape. One of my best friends has been fostering a little boy with special needs since he was three months old, he's now seven years old. She's a fantastic mum and is only in her early thirties as is her husband. They'll never be allowed to adopt this gorgeous little boy who they have had so long and have seen through surgery after surgery because they're overweight. Anyway that's a completely different thread IMO
skimpydoo: Oh I agree with ya but just throwing out the idea that it's ok for an older man to be a parent but its not ok for an older woman.
i can see where ya commin from ro..as life styles change and alot of dad only families now surfaccing...equality in work and lifestyles.. its not just man working providing and mammy nurturring... i see where your going with this... sooo very valid point on those grounds..kudos!!
Im all for people doing what ever they can to have children whether they use surrogates or AR, IVF or what ever means, BUT nature has said that woman shouldnt have children at her age.Im sure at 66/67 when she had the children she had already gone through the menopause and that was natures way of telling her she was too old to have children. This is nothing to do with women who havent gone through the menopause using assisted methods to get pregnant but in this case her body has told her she was too old to have children. JMO
skimpydoo: ..... guys can have kids at any age and women can't.
That's an interesting Medical discovery!! Ladies TAKE NOTE!! your days are numbered
Why should an age limit be put on a woman having IVF, after all isn't it theirRIGHT TO CHOOSE to do what they want with their bodies, without recognising or accepting the consequences? AT least THAT would be the view of the Liberalist Pro-Abortionists, so why restrict that 'Right' to IVF?
Life is sacred, and bringing a life into this crazy world should be 'natural' and not by scientific means such as IVF - but then there are always going to be self-centred and thoughtless and irresponsible people who will simply do as they wish - irrespective of the conseqences.
IVF, thankfully doesn't always work, so there is hope.
i think mid 40s should be max age im 38 and as a guy i would be very reluctant to have kids now dont want other kids thinking im their grandad instead of dad and i be knackered playing footy with them in 10 yrs time lol
I am 100% in favour of IVF however there should be a max age limit.
Getting pregnant 20 years after her last period had to have its consequences on her body. It has been said that the drugs used in the fertility treatment probably caused the disease to spread.
Please excuse my copy and pasting but i found an article on this subject and thought this excerpt made some interesting points
Many American fertility clinics refuse to inseminate women beyond a set age. In Brousada's case, she had to lie to the Pacific Fertility Center in Los Angeles, claiming she was actually fifty-five, in order to qualify for treatment. At that time, the clinic's director, Vicken Sahakian, expressed indignation at Brousada's deceit and promised "to be more careful" in the future. Other hospitals set limits as young as fifty. What is not so clear is why these clinics impose such age restrictions. Are they concerned for the physical health of the mother during pregnancy? Or do they merely have ethical qualms about women embarking on child-rearing beyond a certain age?
During an off-the-record conversation with the head of one leading IVF program, the director candidly told The Huffington Post that social, rather than medical, factors were the primary determinant in his clinic's age limit. "You have to draw a line somewhere," he said. I followed up by asking whether his program sets any age limit for the male partners of these women. It does not. Nor does any other American fertility clinic, as far as I can tell. So while a sixty year-old woman with a twenty-five year-old husband will have difficulty obtaining IVF in the United States, a forty-nine year-old woman with an eighty-five year-old husband will face no age limits--even though the child of the twenty-five year-old is far more likely to have at least one parent survive into adulthood. If these cutoffs are imposed for purely social reasons, rather than medical ones, then they appear to be both illogical and discriminatory. It is not even clear to me that they should be legal. The right to IVF is only meaningful if physicians will actually provide it. Unless clinics can do a better job of justifying their policies on medical grounds, state legislatures should seriously consider rules banning such arbitrary age limits--particularly in hospitals and clinics paid for with public or publicly-mandated funds.
To the two people one male one female in the 18-40 age bracket who voted "who cares?" I would be interested to hear your views. Do you not think that someday the issue of IVF could effect you or someone close to you? Or is it just indifference? or do you just think issues like this shouldn't be talked about on a dating site?
To the one person who thinks IVF is wrong. Let us hear your views.
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Should There Be A Maximum Age Limit For IVF Treatment?(Vote Below)
The death of Maria del Carmen Bousada de Lara, who gave birth two years ago to premature twins, has fueled debate about in vitro fertilization treatment. Ms. Bousada de Lara lied about her age in order to receive IVF treatment from a Los Angeles fertility clinic.
She maintained that because her mother lived to be 101 years old, she would probably live long enough to raise the children. Unfortunately, she was diagnosed with cancer a few months after giving birth.
So what are your views on this?
I voted yes