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Jul 16, 2009 4:17 AM CSTShould There Be A Maximum Age Limit For IVF Treatment?
RubyTuesday1
RubyTuesday1RubyTuesday1Dublin, Ireland10 Threads 1 Polls 1,811 Posts

Should There Be A Maximum Age Limit For IVF Treatment?(Vote Below)

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Yes
29
55%
No
8
15%
Maybe
2
4%
No but stringent health checks
3
6%
IVF is wrong and should be banned
6
11%
Who cares?
5
9%
Total Votes
53
Thw world's oldest IVF mother has died at the age of sixty nine leaving behind two year old twins

The death of Maria del Carmen Bousada de Lara, who gave birth two years ago to premature twins, has fueled debate about in vitro fertilization treatment. Ms. Bousada de Lara lied about her age in order to receive IVF treatment from a Los Angeles fertility clinic.

She maintained that because her mother lived to be 101 years old, she would probably live long enough to raise the children. Unfortunately, she was diagnosed with cancer a few months after giving birth.

So what are your views on this?
I voted yes
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Jul 16, 2009 4:22 AM CST Should There Be A Maximum Age Limit For IVF Treatment?
Crazylegs
CrazylegsCrazylegsDublin, Ireland71 Threads 6,737 Posts
Good Points made there Ruby however i feel we shouldnt say no to giving someone the chance to have a child.. however i do feel that they should undergo major health checks before hand.. and if they dont meet a certain standard of health then maybe they shouldnt go through IVF jmodunno
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Jul 16, 2009 4:22 AM CST Should There Be A Maximum Age Limit For IVF Treatment?
puggle
pugglepuggleWex, Wexford Ireland21 Threads 1,393 Posts
RubyTuesday1: Thw world's oldest IVF mother has died at the age of sixty nine leaving behind two year old twins

The death of Maria del Carmen Bousada de Lara, who gave birth two years ago to premature twins, has fueled debate about in vitro fertilization treatment. Ms. Bousada de Lara lied about her age in order to receive IVF treatment from a Los Angeles fertility clinic.

She maintained that because her mother lived to be 101 years old, she would probably live long enough to raise the children. Unfortunately, she was diagnosed with cancer a few months after giving birth.

So what are your views on this?
I voted yes
jmo... but i would think that being reasonably able bodied to be able to interact take part in a growing childs life is vital... now i don`t mean as in sporty athletic.. but in a sense be a little up with the trends and whats going on in touch with the now!...jmo

plus why ivf?? thosands of lil kids waiting to be addopted and their here now!! waiting to be loved... again jmo
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Jul 16, 2009 4:27 AM CST Should There Be A Maximum Age Limit For IVF Treatment?
skimpydoo
skimpydooskimpydooDublin, Ireland170 Threads 3 Polls 4,805 Posts
puggle: jmo... but i would think that being reasonably able bodied to be able to interact take part in a growing childs life is vital... now i don`t mean as in sporty athletic.. but in a sense be a little up with the trends and whats going on in touch with the now!...jmo

plus why ivf?? thosands of lil kids waiting to be addopted and their here now!! waiting to be loved... again jmo
We could open a big can of worms here as guys can have kids at any age and women can't. Is there a limit you can put no age for guys and girls?.
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Jul 16, 2009 4:28 AM CST Should There Be A Maximum Age Limit For IVF Treatment?
TheSecretPenguin
TheSecretPenguinTheSecretPenguinDublin, Ireland31 Threads 883 Posts
No absolutely no, its an invalid arguement to say she died and left behind young twins, any parent at any age could be struck down by cancer, or be in a fatal accident, so to take the opportunity away from someone who has tried every avenue to have a child, simply because they are getting on in years is just not right..

JMO
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Jul 16, 2009 4:30 AM CST Should There Be A Maximum Age Limit For IVF Treatment?
puggle
pugglepuggleWex, Wexford Ireland21 Threads 1,393 Posts
skimpydoo: We could open a big can of worms here as guys can have kids at any age and women can't. Is there a limit you can put no age for guys and girls?.
you make a valid point ro...but i`m in the frame of mind to leave it to nature.. and its there for a reason... sometimes human natures curriousity
for new ideals goes a lil too far... this is one of them..imo
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Jul 16, 2009 4:33 AM CST Should There Be A Maximum Age Limit For IVF Treatment?
RubyTuesday1
RubyTuesday1RubyTuesday1Dublin, Ireland10 Threads 1 Polls 1,811 Posts
puggle: jmo... but i would think that being reasonably able bodied to be able to interact take part in a growing childs life is vital... now i don`t mean as in sporty athletic.. but in a sense be a little up with the trends and whats going on in touch with the now!...jmo

plus why ivf?? thosands of lil kids waiting to be addopted and their here now!! waiting to be loved... again jmo


Good points Puggle and crazylegs
thumbs up

I just feel that if we are making the choice to become parents we should at least do the best we can to make sure we are around to nurture and rear our children. Yes, it can be taken out of our hands at anytime by accident or illness.
I'm not anti IVF as I have friends who have successfully and unsuccessfully been through the treatment which is harrowing for a young healthy woman never mind an older one
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Jul 16, 2009 4:34 AM CST Should There Be A Maximum Age Limit For IVF Treatment?
vonney
vonneyvonneyDublin, Ireland24 Threads 6,371 Posts
I am all for helping ppl who are having problems conceiving but I feel that there should be an age limit on IVF. Yes any Mother can die at any stage, sadly,but the odds of that happening once you are over 60 are higher, and in fairness to any child they deserve the chance at having their parents around at least till they reach adulthood.
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Jul 16, 2009 4:36 AM CST Should There Be A Maximum Age Limit For IVF Treatment?
puggle
pugglepuggleWex, Wexford Ireland21 Threads 1,393 Posts
TheSecretPenguin: No absolutely no, its an invalid arguement to say she died and left behind young twins, any parent at any age could be struck down by cancer, or be in a fatal accident, so to take the opportunity away from someone who has tried every avenue to have a child, simply because they are getting on in years is just not right..

JMO
but is it not the duty of every parent to give the best possible life to an infant? not just the 1st ten yrs but atleast the 1st 20...? now i know i know... sure there are nannys length and breath of country raising kids... but on a personnal bassis my mum at 72 is just not able to handle my 3 at
any lenghth over an hour..nor would i ask her to...

i think there is a cap on age comming up here? but what age is it?thats the tough question...and the other question is of the addoption issue.. there are 1000`s of babys out there.. if a lady can afford ivf..surely she must have met the criteria for addoption.. i dont know??
this is a tricky one all round??dunno jmo
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Jul 16, 2009 4:36 AM CST Should There Be A Maximum Age Limit For IVF Treatment?
RubyTuesday1
RubyTuesday1RubyTuesday1Dublin, Ireland10 Threads 1 Polls 1,811 Posts
vonney: I am all for helping ppl who are having problems conceiving but I feel that there should be an age limit on IVF. Yes any Mother can die at any stage, sadly,but the odds of that happening once you are over 60 are higher, and in fairness to any child they deserve the chance at having their parents around at least till they reach adulthood.


Exactly, you said it better than me thumbs up
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Jul 16, 2009 4:38 AM CST Should There Be A Maximum Age Limit For IVF Treatment?
Godsgift
GodsgiftGodsgiftEnnis, Clare Ireland251 Threads 13 Polls 10,040 Posts
TheSecretPenguin: No absolutely no, its an invalid arguement to say she died and left behind young twins, any parent at any age could be struck down by cancer, or be in a fatal accident, so to take the opportunity away from someone who has tried every avenue to have a child, simply because they are getting on in years is just not right..

JMO


Until we stop looking at kids as a fashion accessory and start asking if we have the time to nurture them into balanced adults then we will reap what we sew. How can a woman who is nearly 70 expect to be guiding her kids through life. To me it's just as bad as these career couples who pop out kids and employ others to raise them. Downright selfish with no concern for the children involved.

JMO
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Jul 16, 2009 4:38 AM CST Should There Be A Maximum Age Limit For IVF Treatment?
TheSecretPenguin
TheSecretPenguinTheSecretPenguinDublin, Ireland31 Threads 883 Posts
puggle: but is it not the duty of every parent to give the best possible life to an infant? not just the 1st ten yrs but atleast the 1st 20...? now i know i know... sure there are nannys length and breath of country raising kids... but on a personnal bassis my mum at 72 is just not able to handle my 3 at
any lenghth over an hour..nor would i ask her to...

i think there is a cap on age comming up here? but what age is it?thats the tough question...and the other question is of the addoption issue.. there are 1000`s of babys out there.. if a lady can afford ivf..surely she must have met the criteria for addoption.. i dont know??
this is a tricky one all round?? jmo
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Jul 16, 2009 4:39 AM CST Should There Be A Maximum Age Limit For IVF Treatment?
vonney
vonneyvonneyDublin, Ireland24 Threads 6,371 Posts
RubyTuesday1: Exactly, you said it better than me




Cheers


And on a practical note as someone who had children in her twenties and thirties I know the difficulties of teenagers now and honestly dont thinkk I could handle that if I was say my Mothers age.
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Jul 16, 2009 4:41 AM CST Should There Be A Maximum Age Limit For IVF Treatment?
TheSecretPenguin
TheSecretPenguinTheSecretPenguinDublin, Ireland31 Threads 883 Posts
but is it not the duty of every parent to give the best possible life to an infant? not just the 1st ten yrs but atleast the 1st 20...? now i know i know... sure there are nannys length and breath of country raising kids... but on a personnal bassis my mum at 72 is just not able to handle my 3 at
any lenghth over an hour..nor would i ask her to...

i think there is a cap on age comming up here? but what age is it?thats the tough question...and the other question is of the addoption issue.. there are 1000`s of babys out there.. if a lady can afford ivf..surely she must have met the criteria for addoption.. i dont know??
this is a tricky one all round?? jmo[/quote

I think adoption is a whole other thread in itself, it seems from what i heard there are so many hoops to be jumped thru and so much red tape, and then theres the fact that children over a certain age have very little chance of been chosen... its just too sad for words...
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Jul 16, 2009 4:45 AM CST Should There Be A Maximum Age Limit For IVF Treatment?
vonney
vonneyvonneyDublin, Ireland24 Threads 6,371 Posts
skimpydoo: We could open a big can of worms here as guys can have kids at any age and women can't. Is there a limit you can put no age for guys and girls?.




Well Ro the difference there is that the guys role isnt as pysically demanding as the womans. Pregnancy and givin birth can take huge toll on the body, mentally and physically
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Jul 16, 2009 4:46 AM CST Should There Be A Maximum Age Limit For IVF Treatment?
skimpydoo
skimpydooskimpydooDublin, Ireland170 Threads 3 Polls 4,805 Posts
puggle: you make a valid point ro...but i`m in the frame of mind to leave it to nature.. and its there for a reason... sometimes human natures curriousity
for new ideals goes a lil too far... this is one of them..imo
Oh I agree with ya but just throwing out the idea that it's ok for an older man to be a parent but its not ok for an older woman.
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Jul 16, 2009 4:47 AM CST Should There Be A Maximum Age Limit For IVF Treatment?
puggle
pugglepuggleWex, Wexford Ireland21 Threads 1,393 Posts
TheSecretPenguin: but is it not the duty of every parent to give the best possible life to an infant? not just the 1st ten yrs but atleast the 1st 20...? now i know i know... sure there are nannys length and breath of country raising kids... but on a personnal bassis my mum at 72 is just not able to handle my 3 at
any lenghth over an hour..nor would i ask her to...

i think there is a cap on age comming up here? but what age is it?thats the tough question...and the other question is of the addoption issue.. there are 1000`s of babys out there.. if a lady can afford ivf..surely she must have met the criteria for addoption.. i dont know??
this is a tricky one all round?? jmo[/quote

I think adoption is a whole other thread in itself, it seems from what i heard there are so many hoops to be jumped thru and so much red tape, and then theres the fact that children over a certain age have very little chance of been chosen... its just too sad for words...
i agree entirely.. its a subject i know alot about (me and my sibblings) all addopted.. and the hoops decent childless folk have to jump thru is horrendous and demorrilissing!(SPELT WRONG) and yet theres madge flying thru mali pickin em up at a moments nottice..... but like ya said diff thread..
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Jul 16, 2009 4:48 AM CST Should There Be A Maximum Age Limit For IVF Treatment?
RubyTuesday1
RubyTuesday1RubyTuesday1Dublin, Ireland10 Threads 1 Polls 1,811 Posts
TheSecretPenguin: but is it not the duty of every parent to give the best possible life to an infant? not just the 1st ten yrs but atleast the 1st 20...? now i know i know... sure there are nannys length and breath of country raising kids... but on a personnal bassis my mum at 72 is just not able to handle my 3 at
any lenghth over an hour..nor would i ask her to...

i think there is a cap on age comming up here? but what age is it?thats the tough question...and the other question is of the addoption issue.. there are 1000`s of babys out there.. if a lady can afford ivf..surely she must have met the criteria for addoption.. i dont know??
this is a tricky one all round?? jmo[/quote

I think adoption is a whole other thread in itself, it seems from what i heard there are so many hoops to be jumped thru and so much red tape, and then theres the fact that children over a certain age have very little chance of been chosen... its just too sad for words...


Adoption is wonderful but there's so much red tape.
One of my best friends has been fostering a little boy with special needs since he was three months old, he's now seven years old. She's a fantastic mum and is only in her early thirties as is her husband. They'll never be allowed to adopt this gorgeous little boy who they have had so long and have seen through surgery after surgery because they're overweight.
Anyway that's a completely different thread IMO
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Jul 16, 2009 4:50 AM CST Should There Be A Maximum Age Limit For IVF Treatment?
puggle
pugglepuggleWex, Wexford Ireland21 Threads 1,393 Posts
skimpydoo: Oh I agree with ya but just throwing out the idea that it's ok for an older man to be a parent but its not ok for an older woman.
i can see where ya commin from ro..as life styles change and alot of dad only families now surfaccing...equality in work and lifestyles.. its not just man working providing and mammy nurturring... i see where your going with this... sooo very valid point on those grounds..kudos!!thumbs up
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Jul 16, 2009 5:16 AM CST Should There Be A Maximum Age Limit For IVF Treatment?
sweetvelvet
sweetvelvetsweetvelvetdublin, Dublin Ireland37 Threads 1 Polls 6,258 Posts
yes i think there should be so that the mothers are around for their kids wave
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Jul 16, 2009 5:31 AM CST Should There Be A Maximum Age Limit For IVF Treatment?
ladylumps
ladylumpsladylumpsDublin, Ireland105 Threads 4 Polls 9,454 Posts
Im all for people doing what ever they can to have children whether they use surrogates or AR, IVF or what ever means, BUT nature has said that woman shouldnt have children at her age.Im sure at 66/67 when she had the children she had already gone through the menopause and that was natures way of telling her she was too old to have children. This is nothing to do with women who havent gone through the menopause using assisted methods to get pregnant but in this case her body has told her she was too old to have children. JMO

I think the max age for IVF here is 42-43.

Sometimes mother nature does know best !!
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Jul 16, 2009 5:59 AM CST Should There Be A Maximum Age Limit For IVF Treatment?
Trealach
TrealachTrealachCork, Ireland1 Threads 137 Posts
skimpydoo: ..... guys can have kids at any age and women can't.



That's an interesting Medical discovery!!laugh Ladies TAKE NOTE!! your days are numberedrolling on the floor laughing

Why should an age limit be put on a woman having IVF, after all isn't it theirRIGHT TO CHOOSE to do what they want with their bodies, without recognising or accepting the consequences? AT least THAT would be the view of the Liberalist Pro-Abortionists, so why restrict that 'Right' to IVF?

Life is sacred, and bringing a life into this crazy world should be 'natural' and not by scientific means such as IVF - but then there are always going to be self-centred and thoughtless and irresponsible people who will simply do as they wish - irrespective of the conseqences.

IVF, thankfully doesn't always work, so there is hope.
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Jul 16, 2009 7:05 AM CST Should There Be A Maximum Age Limit For IVF Treatment?
readyornot0
readyornot0readyornot0stratford- on -slaney, Wicklow Ireland49 Threads 3 Polls 1,242 Posts
There is an age in force for her country but aperently she lied to the doctors what can they do if someone is determined enough ?
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Jul 16, 2009 7:12 AM CST Should There Be A Maximum Age Limit For IVF Treatment?
Trealach
TrealachTrealachCork, Ireland1 Threads 137 Posts
readyornot0: There is an age in force for her country but aperently she lied to the doctors what can they do if someone is determined enough ?


How about checking the Birth Certificate?
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Jul 16, 2009 7:20 AM CST Should There Be A Maximum Age Limit For IVF Treatment?
readyornot0
readyornot0readyornot0stratford- on -slaney, Wicklow Ireland49 Threads 3 Polls 1,242 Posts
easy enough forged !jesus you can get a drivers licence in dublin for 200 euro and theyre good enough to produce to the gards
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Jul 16, 2009 8:00 AM CST Should There Be A Maximum Age Limit For IVF Treatment?
i think mid 40s should be max age im 38 and as a guy i would be very reluctant to have kids now dont want other kids thinking im their grandad instead of dad and i be knackered playing footy with them in 10 yrs time lol
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Jul 16, 2009 8:46 AM CST Should There Be A Maximum Age Limit For IVF Treatment?
FriendlyFeline
FriendlyFelineFriendlyFelineMayo, Ireland18 Threads 2,908 Posts
I am 100% in favour of IVF however there should be a max age limit.

Getting pregnant 20 years after her last period had to have its consequences on her body. It has been said that the drugs used in the fertility treatment probably caused the disease to spread.
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Jul 16, 2009 9:00 AM CST Should There Be A Maximum Age Limit For IVF Treatment?
RubyTuesday1
RubyTuesday1RubyTuesday1Dublin, Ireland10 Threads 1 Polls 1,811 Posts
Please excuse my copy and pasting but i found an article on this subject and thought this excerpt made some interesting points

Many American fertility clinics refuse to inseminate women beyond a set age. In Brousada's case, she had to lie to the Pacific Fertility Center in Los Angeles, claiming she was actually fifty-five, in order to qualify for treatment. At that time, the clinic's director, Vicken Sahakian, expressed indignation at Brousada's deceit and promised "to be more careful" in the future. Other hospitals set limits as young as fifty. What is not so clear is why these clinics impose such age restrictions. Are they concerned for the physical health of the mother during pregnancy? Or do they merely have ethical qualms about women embarking on child-rearing beyond a certain age?

During an off-the-record conversation with the head of one leading IVF program, the director candidly told The Huffington Post that social, rather than medical, factors were the primary determinant in his clinic's age limit. "You have to draw a line somewhere," he said. I followed up by asking whether his program sets any age limit for the male partners of these women. It does not. Nor does any other American fertility clinic, as far as I can tell. So while a sixty year-old woman with a twenty-five year-old husband will have difficulty obtaining IVF in the United States, a forty-nine year-old woman with an eighty-five year-old husband will face no age limits--even though the child of the twenty-five year-old is far more likely to have at least one parent survive into adulthood. If these cutoffs are imposed for purely social reasons, rather than medical ones, then they appear to be both illogical and discriminatory. It is not even clear to me that they should be legal. The right to IVF is only meaningful if physicians will actually provide it. Unless clinics can do a better job of justifying their policies on medical grounds, state legislatures should seriously consider rules banning such arbitrary age limits--particularly in hospitals and clinics paid for with public or publicly-mandated funds.
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Jul 16, 2009 10:51 AM CST Should There Be A Maximum Age Limit For IVF Treatment?
RubyTuesday1
RubyTuesday1RubyTuesday1Dublin, Ireland10 Threads 1 Polls 1,811 Posts
To the two people one male one female in the 18-40 age bracket who voted "who cares?"
I would be interested to hear your views. Do you not think that someday the issue of IVF could effect you or someone close to you? Or is it just indifference? or do you just think issues like this shouldn't be talked about on a dating site?

To the one person who thinks IVF is wrong. Let us hear your views.
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Jul 16, 2009 1:19 PM CST Should There Be A Maximum Age Limit For IVF Treatment?
RubyTuesday1
RubyTuesday1RubyTuesday1Dublin, Ireland10 Threads 1 Polls 1,811 Posts
tallaght_guy: because you still need a guy to nag at


No Hijacking TG scold rolling on the floor laughing
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Jul 16, 2009 1:20 PM CST Should There Be A Maximum Age Limit For IVF Treatment?
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RubyTuesday1: No Hijacking TG
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