lisbon treaty yes or no (109)
I still do not have a clue what it is about lol. I might flip a coin and then vote off that.
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markbikes: I still do not have a clue what it is about lol. I might flip a coin and then vote off that.
We should all take the time out and read this site and digest the basic facts about the referendum. Last time around, a lot of people voted without knowing anything about what they were voting about so it is important that we know what it is about before we vote it in or out.
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Losty: http://www.lisbontreaty.ie/
We should all take the time out and read this site and digest the basic facts about the referendum. Last time around, a lot of people voted without knowing anything about what they were voting about so it is important that we know what it is about before we vote it in or out.
We should all take the time out and read this site and digest the basic facts about the referendum. Last time around, a lot of people voted without knowing anything about what they were voting about so it is important that we know what it is about before we vote it in or out.
Cheers,
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Well I spoiled my vote the last time as I genuinely tried to understand the treaty but I couldnt get a straight answer to the questions I asked, I found the information conflicting.
Fingers crossed I will understand it better this time
Fingers crossed I will understand it better this time
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well i voted no the last time and i will do the same this time i find it insulting that we be asked the same question again when the people gave a clear no the last time,it weakens democracy not just in this country but in the eu itself it was made clear before the last vote that that lisbon could not be ratified without the support of all nations in the eu yet here we are again with the same treaty,we are unique in that we actually get to vote on this even if we have to do it twice because not one other country gives its people a choice on this because the know it would get a resounding no just like the last treaty did, if this is the way the eu is going to operate then i want no part of it
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JustLittleMe: Well I spoiled my vote the last time as I genuinely tried to understand the treaty but I couldnt get a straight answer to the questions I asked, I found the information conflicting.
Fingers crossed I will understand it better this time
Well for anyone that is depressed wil lose there kids till there finnished there tablets ul be paid 4euro per hour and they tell u how much tax ul pay. they prob next make us change or names really these are facts if sf say vote no lets do it guysFingers crossed I will understand it better this time
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jimbo79: well i voted no the last time and i will do the same this time i find it insulting that we be asked the same question again when the people gave a clear no the last time,it weakens democracy not just in this country but in the eu itself it was made clear before the last vote that that lisbon could not be ratified without the support of all nations in the eu yet here we are again with the same treaty,we are unique in that we actually get to vote on this even if we have to do it twice because not one other country gives its people a choice on this because the know it would get a resounding no just like the last treaty did, if this is the way the eu is going to operate then i want no part of it
Much of the problem with the Referendum in June 2008 was that people either didn't know what they were voting for or were confused in what it was about; others used it as a protest vote and some extreme campaigners plain misled the general public on the Treaty. Was there any reason/s that led you to vote no? Do read through the basic information on the Treaty and you may find your concerns have been addressed or dealt with adequately.
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Losty: Much of the problem with the Referendum in June 2008 was that people either didn't know what they were voting for or were confused in what it was about; others used it as a protest vote and some extreme campaigners plain misled the general public on the Treaty. Was there any reason/s that led you to vote no? Do read through the basic information on the Treaty and you may find your concerns have been addressed or dealt with adequately.
my main reason for voting no was i see where this road is leading and that is to a european super state and that is not something i want to be a part of every treaty brings us a little closer to it.
one of my other concerns is the lack of mandate this has, on matters like this people of all countries in the eu should be given the right to vote but this treaty was drawn up in a way to avoid this so governments not people would pass it,is that democracy i dont think so
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Losty: http://www.lisbontreaty.ie/
We should all take the time out and read this site and digest the basic facts about the referendum. Last time around, a lot of people voted without knowing anything about what they were voting about so it is important that we know what it is about before we vote it in or out.
We should all take the time out and read this site and digest the basic facts about the referendum. Last time around, a lot of people voted without knowing anything about what they were voting about so it is important that we know what it is about before we vote it in or out.
I'd suggest anyone trying to get their head around as to what the Lisbon treaty is about...They either og to their local library and read the Maastricht Treaty from back to front...or download it from the net...
You are not going to understand it anyother way. The two documents cross reference each other...Along with several others...
Bottom line is this several EU countries have already rejected the treaty in demorcratic votes...So why don't politicians respect the will of the people they claim to represent...
If the vote turns out to be 'YES' this time around....Whats the chances of a best of three.. ZERO.
We ( the Irish) have already rejected the treaty...SO according to the spirit in which it was drawn up it is null and void...
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jimbo79: well i voted no the last time and i will do the same this time i find it insulting that we be asked the same question again when the people gave a clear no the last time,it weakens democracy not just in this country but in the eu itself it was made clear before the last vote that that lisbon could not be ratified without the support of all nations in the eu yet here we are again with the same treaty,we are unique in that we actually get to vote on this even if we have to do it twice because not one other country gives its people a choice on this because the know it would get a resounding no just like the last treaty did, if this is the way the eu is going to operate then i want no part of it
Well said young man!
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With all the ANTI posters saying Euro 1.84 new minimum wage, I would be inclined to vote NAY. However I will read the leaflet that bounced in the door yesterday and have a debate between me, myself, I and the posters! 
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I'll be voting No again I already voted no and I'll do it everytime and anytime it comes to a vote
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Losty: Much of the problem with the Referendum in June 2008 was that people either didn't know what they were voting for or were confused in what it was about; others used it as a protest vote and some extreme campaigners plain misled the general public on the Treaty. Was there any reason/s that led you to vote no? Do read through the basic information on the Treaty and you may find your concerns have been addressed or dealt with adequately.
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Fallingman: Very true...and in most cases we always had full control.
Hello FM.... well at least the Irish are allowed to have a vote....even though it seems you will have to keep doing it til you give the right answer
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Crystal29: Hello FM.... well at least the Irish are allowed to have a vote....even though it seems you will have to keep doing it til you give the right answer
I hope we do give the right answer. I'm also not sure it is a good idea to have referenda about treaties. Too complicated
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Fallingman: I hope we do give the right answer. I'm also not sure it is a good idea to have referenda about treaties. Too complicated
Yeah it gets a bit too complicated for the great unwashed...and I include myself in that
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Fallingman: I hope we do give the right answer. I'm also not sure it is a good idea to have referenda about treaties. Too complicated
that is an interesting view could you explain your reasoning
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jimbo79: well i will continue to vote no mainly because the eu is gradually been turned into a super state which is something i dont want to see happening and because im a democrat and i see democracy been torn to shreds and it is our duty to defend it this to me as as much about respecting the will of the people as it is about any treaty
I was under the impression that Ireland do VERY well financially under the EU...correct me at any time cos Im not that well informed on these things....and much as we would like to keep things as they are, things must change and we must move on.
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jimbo79: that is an interesting view could you explain your reasoning
It is a view about referenda more than about Lisbon. I think we elect TDs and a Government to govern and to represent the country abroad. If we don't like what they do then we vote them out. Single issue referenda are a cumbersome enough way of dealing with issues...but Lisbon is an example of a proposal that (like it or hate it) is a series of interlocking things and difficult to explain in the simplicities of a campaign. Lots of "yes" and particularly "no" voters voted in ignorance. Also a lot of lies were told the last time and the rest of Europe paid the price for Irish voters who couldnt be bothered to inform themselves of the issues and who may in some cases have been using the occasion to kick the local Government.
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Crystal29: I was under the impression that Ireland do VERY well financially under the EU...correct me at any time cos Im not that well informed on these things....and much as we would like to keep things as they are, things must change and we must move on.
yes it is true that we have benefited from been part of the eu as have all other countries in the eu i dont see why that should lead to the eu becoming a country in its own right this is not just an irish issue the difference here is that we get to vote on it the french and dutch already rejected this treaty so the gave it a new name and decided it would be best not to let people vote on it because the might say no------ This poll is Archived ------
Fallingman: It is a view about referenda more than about Lisbon. I think we elect TDs and a Government to govern and to represent the country abroad. If we don't like what they do then we vote them out. Single issue referenda are a cumbersome enough way of dealing with issues...but Lisbon is an example of a proposal that (like it or hate it) is a series of interlocking things and difficult to explain in the simplicities of a campaign. Lots of "yes" and particularly "no" voters voted in ignorance. Also a lot of lies were told the last time and the rest of Europe paid the price for Irish voters who couldnt be bothered to inform themselves of the issues and who may in some cases have been using the occasion to kick the local Government.
it's not as simple as that though yes we elect a government to represent us but by there own admission the hadnt even read the thing, one of the things i love about this country is the fact that we get to vote on issues like this, it should be the right of every person who lives in a democracy that right has been denied to all bar us------ This poll is Archived ------
jimbo79: it's not as simple as that though yes we elect a government to represent us but by there own admission the hadnt even read the thing, one of the things i love about this country is the fact that we get to vote on issues like this, it should be the right of every person who lives in a democracy that right has been denied to all bar us
We'll have to disagree on that - we live in a representative democracy. I also think we didnt really need a constitutional referendum. As for the not reading it.....that is a distortion of what was said....not everyone reads every line of everything and that doesnt mean they dont know what they are talking about.
Cowen mightn't be my cup of tea but I wouldn't doubt his grip on the detail of policy!
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Fallingman: We'll have to disagree on that - we live in a representative democracy. I also think we didnt really need a constitutional referendum. As for the not reading it.....that is a distortion of what was said....not everyone reads every line of everything and that doesnt mean they dont know what they are talking about.
Cowen mightn't be my cup of tea but I wouldn't doubt his grip on the detail of policy!
well it was charlie mcgreavey who said you would want to be mad to read it yes the may ahve known the detail, maybe its time the eu stopped railroading its people into something that they clearly dont want people are not stupid and there is a clear feeling throughout europe that this is not right, to me issues as large as this need a proper mandateCowen mightn't be my cup of tea but I wouldn't doubt his grip on the detail of policy!
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jimbo79: well it was charlie mcgreavey who said you would want to be mad to read it yes the may ahve known the detail, maybe its time the eu stopped railroading its people into something that they clearly dont want people are not stupid and there is a clear feeling throughout europe that this is not right, to me issues as large as this need a proper mandate
Jimbo, in all fairness here you are repeating a mantra here in talking about one big EU nation and being forced to accept any EU deal or change that is supposedly thrust down. The powers that be (Such as the Attorney General) of the Governments of every EU country do study and write and know what the Treaties are about.
I urge you to read the Lisbon Treaty Site and read it well, please; then and only then make up your mind on it. As with the last Referendum, there is a lot of red herring topics to steer clear of so it is important that we all make it clear what we are voting on.
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Losty: Jimbo, in all fairness here you are repeating a mantra here in talking about one big EU nation and being forced to accept any EU deal or change that is supposedly thrust down. The powers that be (Such as the Attorney General) of the Governments of every EU country do study and write and know what the Treaties are about.
I urge you to read the Lisbon Treaty Site and read it well, please; then and only then make up your mind on it. As with the last Referendum, there is a lot of red herring topics to steer clear of so it is important that we all make it clear what we are voting on.
i have read most of the arguements for and against and my vote will remain no i campaigned last time wont this time as i have no party anymore what i would say is if you are pro eu then voting yes is your best option however if like me you have grave doubts over where all these treaties are taking us then vote no because to me we are gradually voting away our independence and the right to control our own countryI urge you to read the Lisbon Treaty Site and read it well, please; then and only then make up your mind on it. As with the last Referendum, there is a lot of red herring topics to steer clear of so it is important that we all make it clear what we are voting on.
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jimbo79: i have read most of the arguements for and against and my vote will remain no i campaigned last time wont this time as i have no party anymore what i would say is if you are pro eu then voting yes is your best option however if like me you have grave doubts over where all these treaties are taking us then vote no because to me we are gradually voting away our independence and the right to control our own country
We disagree on a lot about Lisbon but I respect your views. I am pleased to see the "if you are pro eu vote yes" line because I actually think that is one of the fundamental issues. You are perfectly entitled to be anti-EU but some of the No proponents won't admit that they are. They pretend there is some kind of better deal available....there isn't. Joining the EU DID give away certain things but my view would be that it was, viewed in the whole, a very beneficial deal for us.
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Fallingman: We disagree on a lot about Lisbon but I respect your views. I am pleased to see the "if you are pro eu vote yes" line because I actually think that is one of the fundamental issues. You are perfectly entitled to be anti-EU but some of the No proponents won't admit that they are. They pretend there is some kind of better deal available....there isn't. Joining the EU DID give away certain things but my view would be that it was, viewed in the whole, a very beneficial deal for us.
Agreed. We lose a little in some areas but equally we gain in other areas; compromise is what I think us adults call it
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lisbon treaty yes or no(Vote Below)
and your reasons for voting that way