Do you believe some pharmecutical companies have a motto of "prevent, don't cure" for profits sake? (45)
i'll give my next pay packet of 5 cent sot Will Buck, he is one straght shooting son of gun
TrueBlue1986: It's pretty broadscale where nationalised industries are basically a blank cheque for chosen Capitalists, look at defence contracts, nevertheless I still prefer a system that favours the experts and prevents many from becoming their own GP.
Not me.
I spent years becoming an expert on my own health problems, and I can honestly say I know more about them than most of the doctors I've seen.
Doctors are not geniuses. And they only know what they are taught.
And, unfortunately, the drug companies are highly involved in controlling what doctors are taught. It's important for every person to be very aware of his own health issues, and to know natural alternative treatments.
Conrad73: Idealism doesn't pay any Bills,neither does it pay Dividends to the Shareholders!
"Idealism is fine, but as it approaches reality, the costs become prohibitive."
-William F. Buckley Jr.
"Idealism is fine, but as it approaches reality, the costs become prohibitive."
-William F. Buckley Jr.
Buckley was a jerk.
But I concur about idealism.
Idealists are generally people with no real-life experience.
RayfromUSA: Not me.
I spent years becoming an expert on my own health problems, and I can honestly say I know more about them than most of the doctors I've seen.
Doctors are not geniuses. And they only know what they are taught.
And, unfortunately, the drug companies are highly involved in controlling what doctors are taught. It's important for every person to be very aware of his own health issues, and to know natural alternative treatments.
I spent years becoming an expert on my own health problems, and I can honestly say I know more about them than most of the doctors I've seen.
Doctors are not geniuses. And they only know what they are taught.
And, unfortunately, the drug companies are highly involved in controlling what doctors are taught. It's important for every person to be very aware of his own health issues, and to know natural alternative treatments.
Thats why they call it practicing medicine.
It amazes me what the FDA allows to be put in our food.
Reading the other threads this morning it makes me wonder what this is doing to our bodies and minds.
It amazes me what the FDA allows to be put in our food.
Reading the other threads this morning it makes me wonder what this is doing to our bodies and minds.
How it works in a socialized medical system.
The state-sponsored universities employ experts from the state-affiliated drug companies to educate the next crop of doctors and medical personnel.
The drug companies send representatives to befriend every new intern before he even really becomes a practicing doctor.
The medical journals are funded by ads from the drug companies.
They only publish articles that reinforce the drug company's commercial worldview.
By the time the doctor is out on his own, he is totally immersed in the pharmaceutical worldview and he knows that his own profits are enhanced by being very friendly with the drug company.
His "expert opinion" will be a carbon copy of the drug company's advertisements.
The only way to sidestep the pharmaceutical steamroller is to do independent study.
Thank God for the internet.
You have to be selective about what you believe.
But that's always the case anyway.
The state-sponsored universities employ experts from the state-affiliated drug companies to educate the next crop of doctors and medical personnel.
The drug companies send representatives to befriend every new intern before he even really becomes a practicing doctor.
The medical journals are funded by ads from the drug companies.
They only publish articles that reinforce the drug company's commercial worldview.
By the time the doctor is out on his own, he is totally immersed in the pharmaceutical worldview and he knows that his own profits are enhanced by being very friendly with the drug company.
His "expert opinion" will be a carbon copy of the drug company's advertisements.
The only way to sidestep the pharmaceutical steamroller is to do independent study.
Thank God for the internet.
You have to be selective about what you believe.
But that's always the case anyway.
RayfromUSA: We are treading water in a sea of conspiracies Conrad.
All designed to separate us from our money, and/or our rights.
Yep....All designed to separate us from our money, and/or our rights.
RayfromUSA: How it works in a socialized medical system.
The state-sponsored universities employ experts from the state-affiliated drug companies to educate the next crop of doctors and medical personnel.
The drug companies send representatives to befriend every new intern before he even really becomes a practicing doctor.
The medical journals are funded by ads from the drug companies.
They only publish articles that reinforce the drug company's commercial worldview.
By the time the doctor is out on his own, he is totally immersed in the pharmaceutical worldview and he knows that his own profits are enhanced by being very friendly with the drug company.
His "expert opinion" will be a carbon copy of the drug company's advertisements.
The only way to sidestep the pharmaceutical steamroller is to do independent study.
Thank God for the internet.
You have to be selective about what you believe.
But that's always the case anyway.
So what do you propose?The state-sponsored universities employ experts from the state-affiliated drug companies to educate the next crop of doctors and medical personnel.
The drug companies send representatives to befriend every new intern before he even really becomes a practicing doctor.
The medical journals are funded by ads from the drug companies.
They only publish articles that reinforce the drug company's commercial worldview.
By the time the doctor is out on his own, he is totally immersed in the pharmaceutical worldview and he knows that his own profits are enhanced by being very friendly with the drug company.
His "expert opinion" will be a carbon copy of the drug company's advertisements.
The only way to sidestep the pharmaceutical steamroller is to do independent study.
Thank God for the internet.
You have to be selective about what you believe.
But that's always the case anyway.
How would you research and manufacture medicine?
You seem to have all the answers!
NAKEDMUDPEOPLE: Thats why they call it practicing medicine.
It amazes me what the FDA allows to be put in our food.
Reading the other threads this morning it makes me wonder what this is doing to our bodies and minds.
It amazes me what the FDA allows to be put in our food.
Reading the other threads this morning it makes me wonder what this is doing to our bodies and minds.
Case in point.
SSRI antidepressants such as Prozac, Paxil, Effexor (and a lot of others) were sneaked onto the market with some very very shady sweetheart arrangements between the FDA and the manufacturers.
Many many studies were done and the companies cherry-picked only the studies that most supported their product to submit to the FDA. What's more in those studies submitted, they simply omitted any negative data.
Then, after FDA approval, they actively suppressed any negative publicity. 2O years after approval there were millions of complaints of serious adverse reactions (including many suicides and murders attribuable to SSRI use). The FDA was forced to call a conference to study the issue. Hundreds of people spoke about the horrible consequences that SSRI use had wrought in their lives.
But the panel that the FDA had selected to decide what steps to take was composed nearly entirely of pharmaceutical company executives. So despite all the testimony they voted to do nothing.
It was another 10 years and thousands of ruined lives later before the drug companies were required to put adequate warnings on SSRI packages.
And even today no real steps have been taken to protect children and young people from being prescribed the drugs. Doctors aren't required to heed the warnings.
RayfromUSA: Case in point.
SSRI antidepressants such as Prozac, Paxil, Effexor (and a lot of others) were sneaked onto the market with some very very shady sweetheart arrangements between the FDA and the manufacturers.
Many many studies were done and the companies cherry-picked only the studies that most supported their product to submit to the FDA. What's more in those studies submitted, they simply omitted any negative data.
Then, after FDA approval, they actively suppressed any negative publicity. 2O years after approval there were millions of complaints of serious adverse reactions (including many suicides and murders attribuable to SSRI use). The FDA was forced to call a conference to study the issue. Hundreds of people spoke about the horrible consequences that SSRI use had wrought in their lives.
But the panel that the FDA had selected to decide what steps to take was composed nearly entirely of pharmaceutical company executives. So despite all the testimony they voted to do nothing.
It was another 10 years and thousands of ruined lives later before the drug companies were required to put adequate warnings on SSRI packages.
And even today no real steps have been taken to protect children and young people from being prescribed the drugs. Doctors aren't required to heed the warnings.
You always come up with Antidepressants and Stuff!SSRI antidepressants such as Prozac, Paxil, Effexor (and a lot of others) were sneaked onto the market with some very very shady sweetheart arrangements between the FDA and the manufacturers.
Many many studies were done and the companies cherry-picked only the studies that most supported their product to submit to the FDA. What's more in those studies submitted, they simply omitted any negative data.
Then, after FDA approval, they actively suppressed any negative publicity. 2O years after approval there were millions of complaints of serious adverse reactions (including many suicides and murders attribuable to SSRI use). The FDA was forced to call a conference to study the issue. Hundreds of people spoke about the horrible consequences that SSRI use had wrought in their lives.
But the panel that the FDA had selected to decide what steps to take was composed nearly entirely of pharmaceutical company executives. So despite all the testimony they voted to do nothing.
It was another 10 years and thousands of ruined lives later before the drug companies were required to put adequate warnings on SSRI packages.
And even today no real steps have been taken to protect children and young people from being prescribed the drugs. Doctors aren't required to heed the warnings.
How about anything else!
I would be Six Feet under,were it not for Antibiotics back in 2003 when I had a General Sepsis due to Peritonitis!
Conrad73:
So what do you propose?
How would you research and manufacture medicine?
You seem to have all the answers!
So what do you propose?
How would you research and manufacture medicine?
You seem to have all the answers!
And you seem to be only able to think "inside the box", in this case the pharmaceutical box.
I don't propose to manufacture medicine.
I propose for people to learn how to live healthy and avoid disease.
The idea that "medicine" is good for you is the root of the problem.
The ideal is to not be sick and therefore not need medicine.
99% of the medicine that people take consists of synthetic chemicals.
They affect some little symptom in a certain way and that gets them approved. But they have no curative effect, and God only knows what other unwanted effects they might have.
The doctors don't know those drugs very well, and even if the drug companies do know, they are going to minimize anything negative.
If I were going away to live in an isolated village far from civilization, I would rather have a good quantity of a few natural health products than 20 trunks full of pharmaceuticals for every ailment.
And similarly I have much more confidence in a doctor who rarely prescribes drugs, but who knows natural cures, than one who has a "pill for every ill".
Conrad73: You always come up with Antidepressants and Stuff!
How about anything else!
I would be Six Feet under,were it not for Antibiotics back in 2003 when I had a General Sepsis due to Peritonitis!
How about anything else!
I would be Six Feet under,were it not for Antibiotics back in 2003 when I had a General Sepsis due to Peritonitis!
Did you see me criticize antibiotics somewhere?????
No!!
Drug companies do have their place in the world.
But they should stay in it.
And, more importantly, government should not be too cozy with any industry whatsoever. Least of all the armaments industry and the pharmaceutical industry.
RayfromUSA: And that's why all the fish died.
Poor fish.JoLyn: 'I probably sound cynical but pharmaceutical companies are multi-billion dollar corporations and they make a killing off of the consumers buying their products. It certainly appears most advantageous and lucrative for them to hide cures and medicines for such cures so that they can keep skewering the public with very high (sometimes ridiculously high) costs for medication.'
They also make a lot from patents they have on what this or that gene does, especially when it comes to cancer.
If someone is doing research and it involves a gene, they have to pay a royalty to the company who holds the patent for that particular gene. I believe they also have to share what they find during their research to the patent holder
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"Idealism is fine, but as it approaches reality, the costs become prohibitive."
-William F. Buckley Jr.