In response to 'Rate Obama' - how happy were you with Bushes? (112)

Nov 17, 2010 9:56 AM CST In response to 'Rate Obama' - how happy were you with Bushes?
RayfromUSA
RayfromUSARayfromUSAvienne, Rhone-Alpes France86 Threads 29 Polls 6,611 Posts
Obama = Bush

Any perceived difference is just cosmetic.
Nov 17, 2010 10:05 AM CST In response to 'Rate Obama' - how happy were you with Bushes?
RayfromUSA
RayfromUSARayfromUSAvienne, Rhone-Alpes France86 Threads 29 Polls 6,611 Posts
Actually the US has no right to complain.

The buildup to the current situation was very long and easily seen.

The US has been deficit spending ever since the 70s.

I saw the coming storm and left the states in the 80s, at a time when most people thought the economy was doing good.
But it wasn't. It was hemorrhaging. And it still is.
No president could fix things, it's too late for austerity measures.

What Obama is doing is not trying to save the economy.
On the contrary, he's gutting the economy in order to extract as much wealth as possible for his friends in low places (who put him in power) before the whole thing collapses.
Nov 17, 2010 10:45 AM CST In response to 'Rate Obama' - how happy were you with Bushes?
joyannie
joyanniejoyannieA little closer to heaven, Colorado USA5 Threads 408 Posts
RayfromUSA: Actually the US has no right to complain.

The buildup to the current situation was very long and easily seen.

The US has been deficit spending ever since the 70s.

I saw the coming storm and left the states in the 80s, at a time when most people thought the economy was doing good.
But it wasn't. It was hemorrhaging. And it still is.
No president could fix things, it's too late for austerity measures.

What Obama is doing is not trying to save the economy.
On the contrary, he's gutting the economy in order to extract as much wealth as possible for his friends in low places (who put him in power) before the whole thing collapses.
Interesting view.
Nov 17, 2010 10:50 AM CST In response to 'Rate Obama' - how happy were you with Bushes?
gardenhackle
gardenhacklegardenhackleStratford, Connecticut USA55 Threads 9 Polls 2,067 Posts
joyannie: Interesting view.


A brilliantly euphemistic way of putting it! Well done! wine
Nov 17, 2010 11:39 AM CST In response to 'Rate Obama' - how happy were you with Bushes?
mikygr
mikygrmikygrNextToYou, South Aegean Greece8 Threads 2 Polls 575 Posts
America has already collapsed whoever the President is, or will be.
And there are only 3 ways out of it:

1) Ignore all debts by creating a new global currency, relayed on the “real exchange value of the assets”; maybe it’s going to work with the help of IMF.
BIS in Basel Switzerland is working since 3 years on this plan.
2) Ignore all debts by printing out more $ to make wars against your lenders.

Both varieties are within the plan of the Zionists.

The 3rd one is to find out by Americans.
Nov 17, 2010 11:47 AM CST In response to 'Rate Obama' - how happy were you with Bushes?
mikygr: America has already collapsed whoever the President is, or will be.
And there are only 3 ways out of it:

1) Ignore all debts by creating a new global currency, relayed on the “real exchange value of the assets”; maybe it’s going to work with the help of IMF.
BIS in Basel Switzerland is working since 3 years on this plan.
2) Ignore all debts by printing out more $ to make wars against your lenders.

Both varieties are within the plan of the Zionists.

The 3rd one is to find out by Americans.
What are "Zionists"?confused
Nov 17, 2010 12:09 PM CST In response to 'Rate Obama' - how happy were you with Bushes?
soundartist
soundartistsoundartistAnnapolis Royal, Nova Scotia Canada5 Threads 4 Polls 61 Posts
The 3rd way:

go on a diet

Since the invention of food preservatives and money invested in 'poisonous food' industries the society became obese and sick. Food preservatives kill the enzyme in the small intestine that in turn is not able to 'sort out' nutrients from the garbage. Obesity is a major cause for health problems, including cancer and, well physical laziness. The research is focussed (by money available from sponsoring industries) on finding more chemicals to 'cure' and pay more for it instead on finding the actual cause and cure.

Stop eating and drinking junk, ladies and gents, that include so called organic food (if you don't buy it fresh from the farmer, it's not organic; if you don't squeeze your fruit, it's not a fresh juice, etc).


Simple and non-violent revolution that would cure society, refocus economy, and most of all take the real money from these few who're killing us all.

I'm going to start another poll re. this solution in an expectation of being totally ignored here. What's your thinking? a? teddybear
Nov 17, 2010 12:27 PM CST In response to 'Rate Obama' - how happy were you with Bushes?
moonmana1
moonmana1moonmana1Wyoming, Minnesota USA3 Threads 364 Posts
mikygr: America has already collapsed whoever the President is, or will be.
And there are only 3 ways out of it:

1) Ignore all debts by creating a new global currency, relayed on the “real exchange value of the assets”; maybe it’s going to work with the help of IMF.
BIS in Basel Switzerland is working since 3 years on this plan.
2) Ignore all debts by printing out more $ to make wars against your lenders.

Both varieties are within the plan of the Zionists.

The 3rd one is to find out by Americans.


Global currency.. Another step towards a one world government.
Totally insane.
What is next, America giving up the freedom to own guns? very mad
Nov 17, 2010 12:32 PM CST In response to 'Rate Obama' - how happy were you with Bushes?
soundartist
soundartistsoundartistAnnapolis Royal, Nova Scotia Canada5 Threads 4 Polls 61 Posts
moonmana1: Global currency.. Another step towards a one world government.
Totally insane.
What is next, America giving up the freedom to own guns?


really?

you don't like spending money on wars but you need your guns? and you say one governing body would be insane - where the heck have you escaped from?
Nov 17, 2010 12:35 PM CST In response to 'Rate Obama' - how happy were you with Bushes?
moonmana1
moonmana1moonmana1Wyoming, Minnesota USA3 Threads 364 Posts
soundartist: really?

you don't like spending money on wars but you need your guns? and you say one governing body would be insane - where the heck have you escaped from?


I HUNT... I do not kill people. And I do not like WAR.
My daughters fiancee' got hit by a road side bomb. Messed up her life.
Guns for hunting and war are two different things.
And you insinuate lunacy????????scold
Nov 17, 2010 12:43 PM CST In response to 'Rate Obama' - how happy were you with Bushes?
gardenhackle
gardenhacklegardenhackleStratford, Connecticut USA55 Threads 9 Polls 2,067 Posts
soundartist: It's not his biggest problem; his communist philosophies and commitment to these who voted him to the post are his greatest strength.


Yeah, I keep forgetting that commies would disagree with me on that. OK, we'll just agree to disagree. :) comfort
Nov 17, 2010 12:48 PM CST In response to 'Rate Obama' - how happy were you with Bushes?
gardenhackle
gardenhacklegardenhackleStratford, Connecticut USA55 Threads 9 Polls 2,067 Posts
RayfromUSA: Are you suggesting that giving 700 billion dollars to corrupt and failing Wall Street banks in the form of TARP was not gutting the economy????


You don't know the difference between a "loan" and a "gift", do you? That's OK, lots of lefties don't know that loans have to be repaid, so you're not alone.

But, even though you can't tell the difference between loans and gifts, are you saying you really can't think of any downside to the banking system being so rocked that there's no available credit?

Nevermind... we're back to the loans vs. handouts confusion, aren't we? frustrated
Nov 17, 2010 1:37 PM CST In response to 'Rate Obama' - how happy were you with Bushes?
RayfromUSA
RayfromUSARayfromUSAvienne, Rhone-Alpes France86 Threads 29 Polls 6,611 Posts
soundartist: "Debts" to his (Obama's) power brokers is just conspiracy theorist insanity talking.


Hmmmmmm let's explore that claim, shall we?

Exactly how did Obama get elected?
Where did his funding come from?

Initially we were told that his funding came from millions of people from all over the world who learned about him from the internet.

But after the election was over, it turned out that most of Obama's money actually came from corrupt financial institutions on Wall Street, and in particular Goldman Sachs which turned out to be his single largest contributor.





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Goldman Sachs has "owned" many politicians from both parties, including both Bush and Obama


So knowing that, doesn't it seem like the press was being extremely hypocritical and blind in trying to whitewash the image of Goldman Sachs after the bailout.


The Obama administration was very slippery in trying to cover its ties to Goldman Sachs.
Nov 17, 2010 1:51 PM CST In response to 'Rate Obama' - how happy were you with Bushes?
Ross30
Ross30Ross30Dublin, Ireland2 Threads 635 Posts
I personally Bush Sr he was a sensible moderate Republican who got hijacked by the loonies within the GOP.

As for Bush Jr the less said the better.
Nov 17, 2010 2:06 PM CST In response to 'Rate Obama' - how happy were you with Bushes?
RayfromUSA
RayfromUSARayfromUSAvienne, Rhone-Alpes France86 Threads 29 Polls 6,611 Posts
gardenhackle: (blah blah)... are you saying you really can't think of any downside to the banking system being so rocked that there's no available credit?


Credit is what got us into this mess.

I bought my first new (actually used) car on credit way back in the early 70s, and since then I decided never to do it again. I paid cash for all my cars, for land I bought, for a mobile home I put on that land, for travels all over the world, literally for everything I ever bought.

When I lived in Japan I was happy to find out that the Japanese almost never borrow money.
They pay cash.
The same is true for the Chinese.

And look how healthy it's been for their economies.

Societies that depend heavily on credit inevitably go broke and lose their wealth to their more reasonable creditors.

So, "no" it wouldn't bother me a bit to see the corrupt reckless financial institutions go broke. And if that put a big damper on credit, I would think that to be a good thing for the US.
Nov 17, 2010 2:19 PM CST In response to 'Rate Obama' - how happy were you with Bushes?
RayfromUSA
RayfromUSARayfromUSAvienne, Rhone-Alpes France86 Threads 29 Polls 6,611 Posts
RayfromUSA: Hmmmmmm let's explore that claim, shall we?

Exactly how did Obama get elected?
Where did his funding come from?

Initially we were told that his funding came from millions of people from all over the world who learned about him from the internet.

But after the election was over, it turned out that most of Obama's money actually came from corrupt financial institutions on Wall Street, and in particular Goldman Sachs which turned out to be his single largest contributor.





1.
2.

Goldman Sachs has "owned" many politicians from both parties, including both Bush and Obama


So knowing that, doesn't it seem like the press was being extremely hypocritical and blind in trying to whitewash the image of Goldman Sachs after the bailout.


The Obama administration was very slippery in trying to cover its ties to Goldman Sachs.



And here's the epilogue.
The result of the Bailout Law.
Payoff to the rich.
No help for the poor.

Nov 17, 2010 2:26 PM CST In response to 'Rate Obama' - how happy were you with Bushes?
gardenhackle
gardenhacklegardenhackleStratford, Connecticut USA55 Threads 9 Polls 2,067 Posts
RayfromUSA: Hmmmmmm let's explore that claim, shall we?

Exactly how did Obama get elected?
Where did his funding come from?

Initially we were told that his funding came from millions of people from all over the world who learned about him from the internet.

But after the election was over, it turned out that most of Obama's money actually came from corrupt financial institutions on Wall Street, and in particular Goldman Sachs which turned out to be his single largest contributor.





1.
2.

Goldman Sachs has "owned" many politicians from both parties, including both Bush and Obama


So knowing that, doesn't it seem like the press was being extremely hypocritical and blind in trying to whitewash the image of Goldman Sachs after the bailout.


The Obama administration was very slippery in trying to cover its ties to Goldman Sachs.


You've been spending too much time eating out of the hands of people with nothing better to do than feed you partial truths to fuel your conspiracy theory insanity, Ray. None of this ACTUALLY supports some sort of grand scheme for Obama to pay off "power brokers".

Exactly how much did Goldman Sachs donate to Obama's campaign? I'll bet you don't know the laws covering that, do you? Just one little bitty thing to think about, in addition to generally giving consideration to what measure of actual proof of any wrong doing you're really finding in a bunch of youtube videos posted by nutcases that believe all the whacked out nonsense you regurgitate. Do yourself a favor and let them be the only ones that look stupid. Don't repeat that nonsense and let it then be a reflection of your sanity and intelligence.
Nov 17, 2010 3:14 PM CST In response to 'Rate Obama' - how happy were you with Bushes?
RayfromUSA
RayfromUSARayfromUSAvienne, Rhone-Alpes France86 Threads 29 Polls 6,611 Posts
gardenhackle: You've been spending too much time eating out of the hands of people with nothing better to do than feed you partial truths to fuel your conspiracy theory insanity, Ray. None of this ACTUALLY supports some sort of grand scheme for Obama to pay off "power brokers".

Exactly how much did Goldman Sachs donate to Obama's campaign? I'll bet you don't know the laws covering that, do you? Just one little bitty thing to think about, in addition to generally giving consideration to what measure of actual proof of any wrong doing you're really finding in a bunch of youtube videos posted by nutcases that believe all the whacked out nonsense you regurgitate. Do yourself a favor and let them be the only ones that look stupid. Don't repeat that nonsense and let it then be a reflection of your sanity and intelligence.


One of the signs of weak character is to depend on personal insults instead of debating the issues.

Our words speak for themselves and by them we will be either justified or condemned.
Nov 17, 2010 3:30 PM CST In response to 'Rate Obama' - how happy were you with Bushes?
gardenhackle
gardenhacklegardenhackleStratford, Connecticut USA55 Threads 9 Polls 2,067 Posts
RayfromUSA: One of the signs of weak character is to depend on personal insults instead of debating the issues.


Sorry you took that as an insult. I think you're too smart to be sucked into posting everyone else's conspiracy theories. All you have to is think for yourself a bit and you'll see the holes in all that nonsense for yourself. Judging from all the youtubes you post, it's clear that you're just regurgitating the stuff you're being spoonfed and if you do that, you're accepting responsibility for their insanity because you're posting it as your own.
Nov 17, 2010 4:13 PM CST In response to 'Rate Obama' - how happy were you with Bushes?
soundartist
soundartistsoundartistAnnapolis Royal, Nova Scotia Canada5 Threads 4 Polls 61 Posts
Judging from all the youtubes you post, it's clear that you're just regurgitating the stuff you're being spoonfed and if you do that, you're accepting responsibility for their insanity because you're posting it as your own.

unfortunately, I have to agree. i find each one of you interesting and your posts worth to read if not to learn from. However, repeating or quoting somebody's else truth is very close or even exchangeable with admitting to being spoonfed - propaganda is a very powerful thing. These who work with commercials use this knowledge.

I would really hate to drop my own bubble created about Obama - but I'm open to hear and see other points of view, even if challenging to my bubble.

Nobody payed attention to my idea of recovering american economy by engaging in non-violent diet revolution. Is my proposal too radical or too simple? is talking different from eating - one uses mouth for either purpose
Nov 17, 2010 7:06 PM CST In response to 'Rate Obama' - how happy were you with Bushes?
mikygr
mikygrmikygrNextToYou, South Aegean Greece8 Threads 2 Polls 575 Posts
RayfromUSA: And here's the epilogue.
The result of the Bailout Law.
Payoff to the rich.
No help for the poor.



Ray, I just want to THANK you for this many informative videos. I'm rather a dry reader about facts, that's why I've never seen those videos before, which speaks a lot without reading thumbs up
Nov 17, 2010 7:23 PM CST In response to 'Rate Obama' - how happy were you with Bushes?
FreddyFudpucker
FreddyFudpuckerFreddyFudpuckerObamaville, Indiana USA10,179 Posts
romanticman4u: Hey Feddy check out the story on Warren Buffett, one of the most successful men in America, see what he has to say::roll:



He did vote for Obama...so I'm sure I can guess. laugh
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