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Jan 8, 2011 12:34 PM CSTWhat are your thoughts about "BIRTHRIGHT"???I would like answers YES/NO
lovelyliza
lovelylizalovelylizabethlehem, Pennsylvania, USA12 Threads 2 Polls 488 Posts

What are your thoughts about "BIRTHRIGHT"???I would like answers YES/NO(Vote Below)

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non-immigrants parents who had child/children
3
17%
pregnant women who came here just to have their ba
4
22%
contract worker/working visa that try to acquire
1
6%
visitors visas and wanted to apply for green card
1
6%
ppl that came here as tourist, then "tago ng tago"
0
0%
parents who were naturalized but the child/childre
1
6%
non green card holder, but hold a prominent jobs
0
0%
Is birthright a relevant case for those ppl that s
1
6%
are ppl who serves the military(IS BIRTHRIGHT FAIR
1
6%
WHY???, IS BIRTHRIGHT A BIG DEAL NOW???
6
33%
Total Votes
18
OK!!!..here's my opinion on "BIRTHRIGHT"...Why, is it a big deal now???..Not a 100 century ago??...Are We ppl(politicians, historians, social workers, and just ordinary ppl)...that America/American ppl...were name as "A SALAD BOWL COUNTRY?"...bec..there were many immigrants WHo migrated here from Germany, Italy, France, India,Africa, China, Philippines, and so many more...If it's not for these ppl who died for, in these nation,,We are not here today...So, my question is "ARE YOU AGREEING ABOUT THIS BILL?"..to get pass in Congress???frustrated

Just want your own opinion...no attacks, bashing, angry comments PLS....peace
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Jan 8, 2011 9:25 PM CST What are your thoughts about "BIRTHRIGHT"???I would like answers YES/NO
lovelyliza
lovelylizalovelylizabethlehem, Pennsylvania USA12 Threads 2 Polls 488 Posts
Hey!!!..guys/gals...don't be afraid to comment on my Poll...it's just an honest question??and just want honest feedback???Ok...Believe me..I am just curious cuz it's just such a big topic, and a lot of ppl get affected when this Bill pass through...So, don't be afraid to answer...Just a curious Social Worker...grin peace
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Jan 8, 2011 9:39 PM CST What are your thoughts about "BIRTHRIGHT"???I would like answers YES/NO
Actractorguy
ActractorguyActractorguyTims Ford Lake, Tennessee USA26 Threads 7 Polls 2,089 Posts
lovelyliza: OK!!!..here's my opinion on "BIRTHRIGHT"...Why, is it a big deal now???..Not a 100 century ago??...Are We ppl(politicians, historians, social workers, and just ordinary ppl)...that America/American ppl...were name as "A SALAD BOWL COUNTRY?"...bec..there were many immigrants WHo migrated here from Germany, Italy, France, India,Africa, China, Philippines, and so many more...If it's not for these ppl who died for, in these nation,,We are not here today...So, my question is "ARE YOU AGREEING ABOUT THIS BILL?"..to get pass in Congress???

Just want your own opinion...no attacks, bashing, angry comments PLS....



It has been a big deal for a long time. Remember the media and government control what and when you hear it.

My personal feeling on it is this.

If you come to this country illegally then you have proven you will break laws. You have no allegiance to this country and there for your children will be raised to have allegiance to your home country. Those illegal aliens are cutting the line. No different than you standing in the line at the bank and someone coming in after and going straight to the teller making you wait even longer.

Yes there are illegal aliens from every country here in the us and I do not discriminate when I say leave and come back through the proper channels. If you don't want to do it that way then stay in your own country and make it better for you and your descendants.

Any law that places criminals ahead of those who have chosen to take the time to do it properly is not welcomed by me. This happened in 1986 and we were told that it would not happen again and now look where we are.

just my $0.02
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Jan 8, 2011 10:20 PM CST What are your thoughts about "BIRTHRIGHT"???I would like answers YES/NO
lovelyliza
lovelylizalovelylizabethlehem, Pennsylvania USA12 Threads 2 Polls 488 Posts
Actractorguy: It has been a big deal for a long time. Remember the media and government control what and when you hear it.

My personal feeling on it is this.

If you come to this country illegally then you have proven you will break laws. You have no allegiance to this country and there for your children will be raised to have allegiance to your home country. Those illegal aliens are cutting the line. No different than you standing in the line at the bank and someone coming in after and going straight to the teller making you wait even longer.

Yes there are illegal aliens from every country here in the us and I do not discriminate when I say leave and come back through the proper channels. If you don't want to do it that way then stay in your own country and make it better for you and your descendants.

Any law that places criminals ahead of those who have chosen to take the time to do it properly is not welcomed by me. This happened in 1986 and we were told that it would not happen again and now look where we are.

just my $0.02


Thanks!!!for your honest and precise post...peace that's exactly what I want to hear...For me and my children came here Legally,,thanks, for my ex-husband Who gave me that entitlement to be a US citizen..It's unfair for US/legal immigrant that WE been through a lot of paperworks just to came to this country..while some ppl just came illegally, then acquire so many benefits that I can't have cuz I have a house and a job..but after so many yrs. that they lived here, have jobs and kid/kids I think govt..would give them liniency to have that entitlement..afterall they been born here..But after the new Law is passed then, that's the time that they have to be tough on immigration...peace
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Jan 9, 2011 2:35 AM CST What are your thoughts about "BIRTHRIGHT"???I would like answers YES/NO
Dreamyone
DreamyoneDreamyoneRaleigh, North Carolina USA4 Threads 1 Polls 913 Posts
Actractorguy: It has been a big deal for a long time. Remember the media and government control what and when you hear it.

My personal feeling on it is this.

If you come to this country illegally then you have proven you will break laws. You have no allegiance to this country and there for your children will be raised to have allegiance to your home country. Those illegal aliens are cutting the line. No different than you standing in the line at the bank and someone coming in after and going straight to the teller making you wait even longer.

Yes there are illegal aliens from every country here in the us and I do not discriminate when I say leave and come back through the proper channels. If you don't want to do it that way then stay in your own country and make it better for you and your descendants.

Any law that places criminals ahead of those who have chosen to take the time to do it properly is not welcomed by me. This happened in 1986 and we were told that it would not happen again and now look where we are.

just my $0.02


I agree 100%
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Jan 9, 2011 7:05 PM CST What are your thoughts about "BIRTHRIGHT"???I would like answers YES/NO
Colleene1024
Colleene1024Colleene1024West Warwick, Rhode Island USA10 Threads 1,225 Posts
lovelyliza: OK!!!..here's my opinion on "BIRTHRIGHT"...Why, is it a big deal now???..Not a 100 century ago??...Are We ppl(politicians, historians, social workers, and just ordinary ppl)...that America/American ppl...were name as "A SALAD BOWL COUNTRY?"...bec..there were many immigrants WHo migrated here from Germany, Italy, France, India,Africa, China, Philippines, and so many more...If it's not for these ppl who died for, in these nation,,We are not here today...So, my question is "ARE YOU AGREEING ABOUT THIS BILL?"..to get pass in Congress???

Just want your own opinion...no attacks, bashing, angry comments PLS....



My feelings about this is here:

No matter what country a person goes to it should be done legally. If you go to a foriegn country, you should take time to learn that language as well. Now! If an individual goes into a country illegally and has a child, That should not give them the right to stay legally. The parent is illegal so therfore the child is as well. IMO

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Jan 9, 2011 7:37 PM CST What are your thoughts about "BIRTHRIGHT"???I would like answers YES/NO
patmac
patmacpatmacglasgow, Strathclyde, Scotland UK730 Threads 6 Polls 9,662 Posts
Confused by the Birthright titleconfused confused But after reading a bit got the general drift.

Sadly this is a worldwide problem as folk from the third world are desperate to better the lot of their families.

Economic migration is not new and it comes in waves. America had a huge Scots/Irish influx around the mid to late 18th century as the Highland clearances and the Potatoe famine bit. that was after the initial lot who helped kick start the 13 "colonies" And since then many waves from Europe as did The other developed nations. America got the most and Canada and Australia got more "Brits" and britain got the same as America only on a far smaller scale...Now all the worls wants to move for the same reasons and developed countries have no need of them hence the Closed sign.

Now we also have the Refugee problem and they are also moving for different reasons and do need help but what can we in developed countries do.

Well we all have Quotas and cannot for various reasons keep the illegals out, but should we morally especially in countries where immigration was the life blood of our nation as in the case of America .....What was the quote ..." Give me you poor huddled masses etc.....we do as Humankind have a duty of care for each other but can it be done at the rate of todays need I doubt it.

So all the developed countries should set levels to suit and all folk who do not make the quota be returned to the country of origin ....But PROVEN refugees are a different case but as developed countries we could and should take a fair share of these folk from all over and allocate by need a homeland for them ...But this will never happen as they cross many borders in their desire to get to the country of choice in Europe often the Uk and some of the scandanavian countries who have very liberal benefit systems and these folk get housed fed and taken care of by the state....At some point the system will overload and then the fun will start we need to take action now but not unilaterally but as an planned system for all developed countries As aleays JMO grin cheers
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Jan 9, 2011 7:50 PM CST What are your thoughts about "BIRTHRIGHT"???I would like answers YES/NO
patmac
patmacpatmacglasgow, Strathclyde, Scotland UK730 Threads 6 Polls 9,662 Posts
oops Sorry folk I meant as Always JMO in my post doh doh
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Jan 10, 2011 6:27 PM CST What are your thoughts about "BIRTHRIGHT"???I would like answers YES/NO
lovelyliza
lovelylizalovelylizabethlehem, Pennsylvania USA12 Threads 2 Polls 488 Posts
Colleene1024: My feelings about this is here:

No matter what country a person goes to it should be done legally. If you go to a foriegn country, you should take time to learn that language as well. Now! If an individual goes into a country illegally and has a child, That should not give them the right to stay legally. The parent is illegal so therfore the child is as well. IMO



Your right about that...but some ppl somehow manage to stay in this country even their illegal..bec they have some relatives, friends, or employers, that tolerated this manner...that they could sneak in some ppl through tourist visas then they stayed here even their visas expired...They don't get caught bec they hide...

I agree with you about going to any coutries with legal papers bec that's what I did and my boys...thumbs up
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Jan 10, 2011 6:33 PM CST What are your thoughts about "BIRTHRIGHT"???I would like answers YES/NO
lovelyliza
lovelylizalovelylizabethlehem, Pennsylvania USA12 Threads 2 Polls 488 Posts
patmac: Confused by the Birthright title But after reading a bit got the general drift.

Sadly this is a worldwide problem as folk from the third world are desperate to better the lot of their families.

Economic migration is not new and it comes in waves. America had a huge Scots/Irish influx around the mid to late 18th century as the Highland clearances and the Potatoe famine bit. that was after the initial lot who helped kick start the 13 "colonies" And since then many waves from Europe as did The other developed nations. America got the most and Canada and Australia got more "Brits" and britain got the same as America only on a far smaller scale...Now all the worls wants to move for the same reasons and developed countries have no need of them hence the Closed sign.

Now we also have the Refugee problem and they are also moving for different reasons and do need help but what can we in developed countries do.

Well we all have Quotas and cannot for various reasons keep the illegals out, but should we morally especially in countries where immigration was the life blood of our nation as in the case of America .....What was the quote ..." Give me you poor huddled masses etc.....we do as Humankind have a duty of care for each other but can it be done at the rate of todays need I doubt it.

So all the developed countries should set levels to suit and all folk who do not make the quota be returned to the country of origin ....But PROVEN refugees are a different case but as developed countries we could and should take a fair share of these folk from all over and allocate by need a homeland for them ...But this will never happen as they cross many borders in their desire to get to the country of choice in Europe often the Uk and some of the scandanavian countries who have very liberal benefit systems and these folk get housed fed and taken care of by the state....At some point the system will overload and then the fun will start we need to take action now but not unilaterally but as an planned system for all developed countries As aleays JMO



thumbs up Thanks for your opinion...It's very sensible words you put in together...i didn't know that you have a soft side...

grin despite of our differences in opinions when we post on different topics...but I am glad to hear your opinion...peace
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Jan 10, 2011 6:43 PM CST What are your thoughts about "BIRTHRIGHT"???I would like answers YES/NO
Raynew1959
Raynew1959Raynew1959Barrington, New Hampshire USA120 Threads 2 Polls 2,218 Posts
Actractorguy: It has been a big deal for a long time. Remember the media and government control what and when you hear it.

My personal feeling on it is this.

If you come to this country illegally then you have proven you will break laws. You have no allegiance to this country and there for your children will be raised to have allegiance to your home country. Those illegal aliens are cutting the line. No different than you standing in the line at the bank and someone coming in after and going straight to the teller making you wait even longer.

Yes there are illegal aliens from every country here in the us and I do not discriminate when I say leave and come back through the proper channels. If you don't want to do it that way then stay in your own country and make it better for you and your descendants.

Any law that places criminals ahead of those who have chosen to take the time to do it properly is not welcomed by me. This happened in 1986 and we were told that it would not happen again and now look where we are.

just my $0.02
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Jan 11, 2011 1:45 AM CST What are your thoughts about "BIRTHRIGHT"???I would like answers YES/NO
patmac
patmacpatmacglasgow, Strathclyde, Scotland UK730 Threads 6 Polls 9,662 Posts
lovelyliza: Thanks for your opinion...It's very sensible words you put in together...i didn't know that you have a soft side...

despite of our differences in opinions when we post on different topics...but I am glad to hear your opinion...
Liza that is what makes the world go round. A healthy difference of opinion is good, I might not always agree with anyone but I defend their right to have their opinion very strongly.

Folk are entitled to have their say and should always make their point to all. Nice to see we for a change are in agreement applause applause We may have a difference of opinion again in the future but I always respect your opinion, mine may be different and as always it is only mine and it could well be wrong but that is to my mind the good thing on here folk can have their say and the rest of us can make our mind up who has the best point.

I look forward to the next time we are in agreement probably in the dim and distant future laugh laugh grin cheers
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Jan 11, 2011 9:29 AM CST What are your thoughts about "BIRTHRIGHT"???I would like answers YES/NO
venusenvy
venusenvyvenusenvyCalgary, Alberta Canada27 Threads 20,003 Posts
The OAS program is non-contributory and is based solely on age and residence in Canada after the age of 18. The ten-year residence rule is consistent with many other countries that have residence or contribution requirements associated with their national pensions to ensure that benefits are given in proportion to years of residence or affiliation with their pension programs. With this in mind, it is felt that the current ten-year residence requirement represents a balance between a reasonable contribution to Canadian society and the right to receive a lifelong pension.

It is estimated that reducing the ten-year eligibility requirement to three years would cost over $700 million annually in additional OAS and Guaranteed Income Supplement benefits. Given that the OAS program is funded entirely from general tax revenues, this would be costly and place an additional burden on the Canadian taxpayer..







Bill C-428 will allow recent immigrants to apply for OAS in 3 years instead of the existing 10.


Right now you have to have lived in Canada for 10 years in order to qualify for Old Age Security. She wants the time reduced to 3 years. Thousands could come to Canada when they are 62 years old, never having worked or contributed to this country's tax system, etc and qualify for full Old Age Security benefits. 10 years minimum is reasonable - 3 is not!


It is time Canada looked after it's vets and long-term citizens before tossing OUR hard-earned money around on people who have no right to this money, never having paid taxes or contributed to our economy. If a family wishes to bring elderly relatives here and are willing to waive their own right to collect these funds in order that the elderly relatives can receive them ... fine. Otherwise, do not expect the Canadian taxpayers to do it.




There are too many people abusing the generosity of the Canadian people.. We need to stop this NOW. We, our children and our grand children currently owe the global investment community over $500 billion dollars ... the sum of our accumulated National Debt that is never publicized.

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Now READ THIS..



Canada Pensions...

Only in Canada

* It is interesting to know that the federal Government of Canada allows :

A monthly pension of : $1,890.00 to a simple refugee
plus : 580.00 in social aid
==========


A grand total of : $2,470.00 monthly
X 12 months

==========
$28,920.00 annual income

· By comparison, the Old Age Pension of a senior citizen who has contributed to the development of Our Beautiful Big Country during 40 or 50 years, CANNOT receive more than :

Amount/month $1,012.00 in Old Age Pension and Guaranteed Income Supplement
X 12 months

============
$12,144.00 annual income

A difference of : $16,776.00 per year



* Perhaps our senior citizens should ask for the Status of Refugees instead of applying for Old Age Pension.

* Let us send this message to as many Canadians as possible, and maybe the allowance of refugee could then be reduced to $1,012.00, and that of our Canadian pensioners raised to $2,470.00 per month. (who actually deserve it) the money that they have been paying in income taxes for 40 or 50 years,
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Jan 11, 2011 9:30 AM CST What are your thoughts about "BIRTHRIGHT"???I would like answers YES/NO
venusenvy
venusenvyvenusenvyCalgary, Alberta Canada27 Threads 20,003 Posts
Doesnt that just make your hair stand on end and your blood run cold very mad
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Jan 11, 2011 9:34 AM CST What are your thoughts about "BIRTHRIGHT"???I would like answers YES/NO
FreddyFudpucker
FreddyFudpuckerFreddyFudpuckerObamaville, Indiana USA10,179 Posts
venusenvy: Doesnt that just make your hair stand on end and your blood run cold


It would mine, but I don't have any skin in Canada's game so I'll not expound.
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Jan 12, 2011 1:48 PM CST What are your thoughts about "BIRTHRIGHT"???I would like answers YES/NO
lovelyliza
lovelylizalovelylizabethlehem, Pennsylvania USA12 Threads 2 Polls 488 Posts
venusenvy: Doesnt that just make your hair stand on end and your blood run cold


Hi! Venus....Your country is very generous....I knew there were so many Filipinos lived in Canada...In fact I have friends there in Alberta...I also met some Canadian friends when I was in the Philippines, but lost contact with them...I loved Canadians,,before I married my American husband...thanks! for participating...always respect your post..come again next time...wine peace
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Jan 12, 2011 3:29 PM CST What are your thoughts about "BIRTHRIGHT"???I would like answers YES/NO
dsuas5155
dsuas5155dsuas5155miami, Florida USA5 Threads 1 Polls 20 Posts
what is right and what is wrong; everybody has an opinion and this is democracy but it is so weak and so dividing. our country is an immigrant country. remember when the europeans came and terrorized the people of this land? they terrorized as long and as much as they could until they were stopped. if a human being is born within the jurisdictional boundaries of our great nation he/she is a citizen of our country our descendants wrote it in the constitution AND SAYING OTHER THAN THAT IS CONSIDERED TREASON. Oviously the constitution will be modified according to the needs of the majority of its citizens. IT is way to easy to take an opinion that damages our country by saying "you are not a citizen because bla, bla, bla." if you can prove legally you are a citizen of this country i say welcome to the club and if not i am not going to be indiferent to you because; i love my country and i know that you have come here to make this nation greater than it already is; i also know the incredible challenges that our nation faces for the coming century and i know that taking a dividing position right now is just not smart. If we want a future we must work together and negotiate our differences i am not going to spread more hate in our great america; NOT ON MY WATCH; NOT ON YOUR WATCH; NOT IN MY AMERICA.
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Jan 12, 2011 5:53 PM CST What are your thoughts about "BIRTHRIGHT"???I would like answers YES/NO
Actractorguy: It has been a big deal for a long time. Remember the media and government control what and when you hear it.

My personal feeling on it is this.

If you come to this country illegally then you have proven you will break laws. You have no allegiance to this country and there for your children will be raised to have allegiance to your home country. Those illegal aliens are cutting the line. No different than you standing in the line at the bank and someone coming in after and going straight to the teller making you wait even longer.

Yes there are illegal aliens from every country here in the us and I do not discriminate when I say leave and come back through the proper channels. If you don't want to do it that way then stay in your own country and make it better for you and your descendants.

Any law that places criminals ahead of those who have chosen to take the time to do it properly is not welcomed by me. This happened in 1986 and we were told that it would not happen again and now look where we are.

just my $0.02


thumbs up
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Jan 13, 2011 2:38 PM CST What are your thoughts about "BIRTHRIGHT"???I would like answers YES/NO
lovelyliza
lovelylizalovelylizabethlehem, Pennsylvania USA12 Threads 2 Polls 488 Posts
dsuas5155: what is right and what is wrong; everybody has an opinion and this is democracy but it is so weak and so dividing. our country is an immigrant country. remember when the europeans came and terrorized the people of this land? they terrorized as long and as much as they could until they were stopped. if a human being is born within the jurisdictional boundaries of our great nation he/she is a citizen of our country our descendants wrote it in the constitution AND SAYING OTHER THAN THAT IS CONSIDERED TREASON. Oviously the constitution will be modified according to the needs of the majority of its citizens. IT is way to easy to take an opinion that damages our country by saying "you are not a citizen because bla, bla, bla." if you can prove legally you are a citizen of this country i say welcome to the club and if not i am not going to be indiferent to you because; i love my country and i know that you have come here to make this nation greater than it already is; i also know the incredible challenges that our nation faces for the coming century and i know that taking a dividing position right now is just not smart. If we want a future we must work together and negotiate our differences i am not going to spread more hate in our great america; NOT ON MY WATCH; NOT ON YOUR WATCH; NOT IN MY AMERICA.


thanks! for the input..but I am not in opposite side yor talking about...I am here to learn more of individauls opinion...I am from other country/Philippines, but been Naturalized through immigration from my ex-husband...but I did all duties that American born citizen should have such as; jury duty,vote, and canvasser for a politicians, and pay my taxes... I am against with the ppl that came here illegally. when I, and my two boys..came over we did all the necessary paperworks.. it's not fair for us, that the illegals get more benefits from the govt. that we have...You're right about European countries.that they tried to Dominate the Indians-which were the one's that were natives, and have the right of the land..
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Jan 13, 2011 2:41 PM CST What are your thoughts about "BIRTHRIGHT"???I would like answers YES/NO
demonfairy
demonfairydemonfairyNewton, North Carolina USA76 Threads 2 Polls 2,278 Posts
Actractorguy: It has been a big deal for a long time. Remember the media and government control what and when you hear it.

My personal feeling on it is this.

If you come to this country illegally then you have proven you will break laws. You have no allegiance to this country and there for your children will be raised to have allegiance to your home country. Those illegal aliens are cutting the line. No different than you standing in the line at the bank and someone coming in after and going straight to the teller making you wait even longer.

Yes there are illegal aliens from every country here in the us and I do not discriminate when I say leave and come back through the proper channels. If you don't want to do it that way then stay in your own country and make it better for you and your descendants.

Any law that places criminals ahead of those who have chosen to take the time to do it properly is not welcomed by me. This happened in 1986 and we were told that it would not happen again and now look where we are.

just my $0.02
thumbs up wine
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Jan 13, 2011 2:52 PM CST What are your thoughts about "BIRTHRIGHT"???I would like answers YES/NO
Actractorguy
ActractorguyActractorguyTims Ford Lake, Tennessee USA26 Threads 7 Polls 2,089 Posts
dsuas5155: what is right and what is wrong; everybody has an opinion and this is democracy but it is so weak and so dividing. our country is an immigrant country. remember when the europeans came and terrorized the people of this land? they terrorized as long and as much as they could until they were stopped. if a human being is born within the jurisdictional boundaries of our great nation he/she is a citizen of our country our descendants wrote it in the constitution AND SAYING OTHER THAN THAT IS CONSIDERED TREASON. Oviously the constitution will be modified according to the needs of the majority of its citizens. IT is way to easy to take an opinion that damages our country by saying "you are not a citizen because bla, bla, bla." if you can prove legally you are a citizen of this country i say welcome to the club and if not i am not going to be indiferent to you because; i love my country and i know that you have come here to make this nation greater than it already is; i also know the incredible challenges that our nation faces for the coming century and i know that taking a dividing position right now is just not smart. If we want a future we must work together and negotiate our differences i am not going to spread more hate in our great america; NOT ON MY WATCH; NOT ON YOUR WATCH; NOT IN MY AMERICA.



So your opinion is that it's ok to break the laws of this land by entering illegally. Try going to any other country on this tiny little spec and have your child born there. Most likely they will not even let you in if you are within 3 months of giving birth. If you manage to get in by some stroke of luck and have the child guess what your child will not be a citizen of that country. It will be reported to the nearest embassy of your country and it's citizenship will be in your home country. It will not be entitled to any benefits that are reserved for only the citizens of that country.

I'm all for legal immigration. Bring em on. Learn the language and customs. Integrate and add to but don't expect me to take on your customs.

Who is the hypocrite now?

Is it the ones that want some sensible control to the entry or the ones that deny what the seek here?

Your turn. Better make it good.
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Jan 13, 2011 2:54 PM CST What are your thoughts about "BIRTHRIGHT"???I would like answers YES/NO
tomcatwarne
tomcatwarnetomcatwarneOcean City, Plumouth, Devon, England UK289 Threads 7 Polls 17,106 Posts
Actractorguy: So your opinion is that it's ok to break the laws of this land by entering illegally. Try going to any other country on this tiny little spec and have your child born there. Most likely they will not even let you in if you are within 3 months of giving birth. If you manage to get in by some stroke of luck and have the child guess what your child will not be a citizen of that country. It will be reported to the nearest embassy of your country and it's citizenship will be in your home country. It will not be entitled to any benefits that are reserved for only the citizens of that country.

I'm all for legal immigration. Bring em on. Learn the language and customs. Integrate and add to but don't expect me to take on your customs.

Who is the hypocrite now?

Is it the ones that want some sensible control to the entry or the ones that deny what the seek here?

Your turn. Better make it good.


my mother was born in America, I don't know if that gives me dual nationality
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Jan 13, 2011 3:15 PM CST What are your thoughts about "BIRTHRIGHT"???I would like answers YES/NO
Actractorguy
ActractorguyActractorguyTims Ford Lake, Tennessee USA26 Threads 7 Polls 2,089 Posts
tomcatwarne: my mother was born in America, I don't know if that gives me dual nationality


It really depends on the situation.

My future x Mother-in-law was born in Mexico. She immigrated legally and got her citizenship many years later. When she went to the swearing in she swore an oath to the us and was immediately stripped of her Mexican citizenship. It is fair and normal for that to happen because if you want the benefits you need to have some allegiance to the country of which you choose to reside. The oath of citizenship here requires you support and defend the Constitution Of The United States. You cannot do that if you have an allegiance to any other country.

My future x brother-in-law was born in Mexico. His father was an American citizen his mother was a Mexican citizen at the time. He had dual nationality up until his 18th birthday upon which he had to choose one or the other.
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Jan 17, 2011 12:34 PM CST What are your thoughts about "BIRTHRIGHT"???I would like answers YES/NO
lovelyliza
lovelylizalovelylizabethlehem, Pennsylvania USA12 Threads 2 Polls 488 Posts
Actractorguy: So your opinion is that it's ok to break the laws of this land by entering illegally. Try going to any other country on this tiny little spec and have your child born there. Most likely they will not even let you in if you are within 3 months of giving birth. If you manage to get in by some stroke of luck and have the child guess what your child will not be a citizen of that country. It will be reported to the nearest embassy of your country and it's citizenship will be in your home country. It will not be entitled to any benefits that are reserved for only the citizens of that country.

I'm all for legal immigration. Bring em on. Learn the language and customs. Integrate and add to but don't expect me to take on your customs.

Who is the hypocrite now?

Is it the ones that want some sensible control to the entry or the ones that deny what the seek here?

Your turn. Better make it good.


@ Atract...I agree with the "English language only speaking, while we were in public domain...then learn the American customs too"..nothing wrong with that!!..grinI believe in a saying says"when your in Rome,Do what the Romans do"... barf but I would say, still keeping our own language while were at home...and our values too...That's what we foriegners being naturalized we have unique abilities to speak several languages and know the differences between values...that's what makes a dual citizenship beneficial to some of US...peace
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Actractorguy
ActractorguyActractorguyTims Ford Lake, Tennessee USA26 Threads 7 Polls 2,089 Posts
lovelyliza: @ Atract...I agree with the "English language only speaking, while we were in public domain...then learn the American customs too"..nothing wrong with that!!..I believe in a saying says"when your in Rome,Do what the Romans do"... but I would say, still keeping our own language while were at home...and our values too...That's what we foriegners being naturalized we have unique abilities to speak several languages and know the differences between values...that's what makes a dual citizenship beneficial to some of US...


yes and that is what I meant. Keep all government forms in one language. It cost the taxpayers 3-5 times as much to do stuff because we have to make sure there is the same paperwork in every language available. I have no problem keeping your native tongue but there is a time and place for it's use. Other wise as the Statue of liberty says bring em on but in smaller numbers no pushing. smile
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trueheart1941
trueheart1941trueheart1941brentwood essex, Essex, England UK27 Threads 8,005 Posts
Actractorguy: It has been a big deal for a long time. Remember the media and government control what and when you hear it.

My personal feeling on it is this.

If you come to this country illegally then you have proven you will break laws. You have no allegiance to this country and there for your children will be raised to have allegiance to your home country. Those illegal aliens are cutting the line. No different than you standing in the line at the bank and someone coming in after and going straight to the teller making you wait even longer.

Yes there are illegal aliens from every country here in the us and I do not discriminate when I say leave and come back through the proper channels. If you don't want to do it that way then stay in your own country and make it better for you and your descendants.

Any law that places criminals ahead of those who have chosen to take the time to do it properly is not welcomed by me. This happened in 1986 and we were told that it would not happen again and now look where we are.

just my $0.02
we have the same problem here in the uk.abide by thier own laws.which they get away with, and then try to imposse them on us,if we dont like it .they throw us out.
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lovelyliza
lovelylizalovelylizabethlehem, Pennsylvania USA12 Threads 2 Polls 488 Posts
To Atract,
That's what I like from your answer direct and correct...We follow the rules and the constituttion...and abide by it...we Filipinos don't make a big deal about making our own language put in directions/instructions in whatever appliances,toys,furnitures, and so on attach to the materials...I know someone would make that as just one language(English)..bec that cost Us more money to buy something bec of the extra printing of unnecassary languages; Spanish, chinese,french, etc...laugh
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lovelyliza
lovelylizalovelylizabethlehem, Pennsylvania USA12 Threads 2 Polls 488 Posts
trueheart1941: we have the same problem here in the uk.abide by thier own laws.which they get away with, and then try to imposse them on us,if we dont like it .they throw us out.


i thought UK has no problem about citizenship,bec there were lots of Filipinos living, and working in UK...thanks for the info...peace
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