Same could be said about yourself. We both know you were online since several of your posts were removed by the mods..Where you on a break from posting an only replying to PM's..Or were you yellow carded to for short while?
As for being banned etc..I just have, so, sofar, I'll simply answer your point's here
Being British and not knowing anything about the ESB or EISB as you called them, your opinion doesn't count. There is no chance of their children falling into a poverty trap as they earn very good wages. And also it is about their pension.....I don't think their kids will be still depending on them at pension age, will they?
I can directly re-quote you again and ask you the same question that you refuse to answer. Several weeks ago on the inter-rants you said to 'lovemedo'..'The British aren't in your part of Ireland'. Exactly what part of Ireland are then still occupying? I'd hazzard a guess and say the six north eastern counties for starters. If you want I can show how Britain still influences irish domestic a foregin policies.
If you look at your first posts you suggest (or have no qualms in doing) dragging the ESB workers through courts at their & the states expense for 25yrs. Just how long would the striking ESB's 'worker's' saving be eaten up with legal costs by dragging through court for 25yeats...? As for you not thinking that their kids will need help from their parents in years to come etc. Wake up, it's happening today. All over Europe and wider. You should try keeping up with current events.
I said 50+1% agree not everyone (stop mis quoting). And yes they are a neccessary evil. Would you lkie me to put it in neon lights in Time Square?
There where three involved in the break in Wade. One got knee capped the other two a slap and a talking to (because they were 14&15 yrs old). The person who got knee capped was 17/18...Fast foward 30 years and the other week one of the indivuals was shot dead in a park in Belfast (he wasn't knee capped).
What the BBC left out was Kevin (I was at school and the same class as Kevin) he was up to eye balls in supplying class A drugs to kids. He was also involved in a debt with the IRA. And about a year before one the biggest arms finds in years was uncovered by a member of the public..
Kevin owned the guns. Not Republicans or Loyalists........
I took nothing out of context Wade. I quoted you directly word for word. And I paraphased one post you made (keeping in context your words) about you wanting to beat a forum poster because of a post he made.
What I asked you was simple..Do you think it's ok for a youth leader to make jokes about beating women? or do you think it's ok for a youth leader to admit to popping pills and drinking Stella at the same time?
As for your point about me banging on what happened during the conflict..Every week the BBC are showing documentaries about the BA, PIRA & Loyalists because a lot of people still want answers.
I don't know if you where joking. Giving you the benefit of doubt; do you think it's ok for a youth leader to make jokes about beating women? i know at least one post where you replied to a poster that you would beat him for the paltry sum of 10euro (and you weren't joking).
Or a youth leader to openly admit he pops pills & alcohol?
I have never reported a child or other to any terrorist oganisation. What I have said I understand it and the people who broke not only into my parents house but several others got knee capped. I've also said i understand the reasoning behind it.
What I said is I would give the person a slap they wouldn't forget in a hurry, slightly different from actually knee capping someone as you claim. I am on record I understand why people are knee capped and if you ever bother to watch the youtube link, you'd quickly find out I am not alone in views. 50+1% in the o6c agree with me.
If you are going to paraphrase at least do it in context and not add what you think I said (try paraphrasing what I have said).
You do think it is ok to joke about beating women, poping pills etc. Great example to CBSI.
Wade wether you agree or not is irrelevant. That is real life in the o6c's. What I am Wade is consistent in my views about what goes on in the North of Ireland. I hold the view that the biggest reason there isn't 'peace' in the o6c's is down to the British.
A cursory glance at Éire Nua policy document (which the British talked to republicans about during the 70's & 80's) will show that the PUL community can still celebrate their customs with an all Ireland context.
But it is rejected because it is different and radical (and from the left).
Reading some of your post's you'd do similar by yourself..
A true story about you beating women...Hmmmmmm
Exactly what type of thuggery are you talking about Wade?
The last quote was the second time you mentioned you'd put a contract on a 'friend'. I have also seen you post openly about popping pills and mixing it with beer. I have also seen you like to call Stella, confidence juice (most people call if wife beater). I can re-post you saying (I paraphrase) 'you'd beat your wife' only to add..maybe you'd go for a walk instead. Sometimes you are to lazy to buy milk for your Tea/coffee and use Bailey's irish cream instead.
And you think you have the right to palk about anybody's 'moral compass'.
I also noticed you like to brush things under the carpet because as a civil servant thats what you do. I'm prepared to talk about all aspects of violence in the o6c. Not just republican or loyalist. Tonight if you have time watch BBC1 and you'll hear real life stories about the BA shooting dead innocent people. But you either refuse to talk about that aspect or try to deflect it by labouring on one incident. And you are a youth leader!!!!!!
Does any of your scouts know you talk (even jokingly) about beating women, popping pills and would like some more northern thuggery implimented in the 26c's..?
Last night in Derry there was bomb left on bus and the bus driver was told to take it to an RUC/PSNI station. And Witty wants the world to believe it's tree hugger season in the north? Not a mention of the 6 people who were asked to leave Derry in the last few weeks.
Why not. I'm talking about all the violence. While yourself and several others refuse to talk about it.
If you ever bothered to read any of the links (or watch the videos) then you might have a better understanding.
Rowntree, Francis 22 April 1972 (11) Catholic Status: Civilian (Civ), Killed by: British Army (BA) Shot by rubber bullet, Divis Flats, Belfast.
Molloy, Tobias 16 July 1972 (18) Catholic Status: Irish Republican Army Youth Section (IRAF), Killed by: British Army (BA) Shot by rubber bullet during street disturbances, outside Lifford Road British Army (BA) base, Strabane, County Tyrone.
Friel, Thomas 22 May 1973 (21) Catholic Status: Civilian (Civ), Killed by: British Army (BA) Died five days after being hit by rubber bullet during street disturbances, Creggan Heights, Creggan, Derry.
Geddis, Stephen 30 August 1975 (10) Catholic Status: Civilian (Civ), Killed by: British Army (BA) Died two days after being hit by plastic bullet, Divis Flats, Belfast.
Stewart, Brian 10 October 1976 (13) Catholic Status: Civilian (Civ), Killed by: British Army (BA) Died six days after being hit by plastic bullet near his home, Norglen Road, Turf Lodge, Belfast.
Donnelly, Michael 09 August 1980 (21) Catholic Status: Civilian (Civ), Killed by: British Army (BA) Shot by plastic bullet at the junction of Leeson Street and Falls Road, Belfast.
Whitters, Paul 25 April 1981 (15) Catholic Status: Civilian (Civ), Killed by: Royal Ulster Constabulary (RUC) Died 10 days after being shot by plastic bullet, Great James Street, Derry.
Livingstone, Julie 13 May 1981 (14) Catholic Status: Civilian (Civ), Killed by: British Army (BA) Shot by plastic bullet while walking along Stewartstown Road, Suffolk, Belfast.
Duffy, Henry 22 May 1981 (45) Catholic Status: Civilian (Civ), Killed by: British Army (BA) Shot by plastic bullet while walking along street, Bogside, Derry.
Kelly, Carol Anne 22 May 1981 (12) Catholic Status: Civilian (Civ), Killed by: British Army (BA) Died three days after being shot by plastic bullet while walking along Cherry Park, Twinbrook, Belfast.
McCabe, Nora 09 July 1981 (30) Catholic Status: Civilian (Civ), Killed by: Royal Ulster Constabulary (RUC) Died one day after being shot by plastic bullet, Linden Street, Lower Falls, Belfast.
Doherty, Peter 31 July 1981 (36) Catholic Status: Civilian (Civ), Killed by: British Army (BA) Shot by plastic bullet at his home, Divis Flats, Belfast.
McGuinness, Peter 09 August 1981 (41) Catholic Status: Civilian (Civ), Killed by: Royal Ulster Constabulary (RUC) Shot by plastic bullet outside his home, Shore Road, Greencastle, Belfast.
McConomy, Stephen 19 April 1982 (11) Catholic Status: Civilian (Civ), Killed by: British Army (BA) Died three days after being shot by plastic bullet, Fahan Street, Bogside, Derry.
Downes, Sean 12 August 1984 (22) Catholic Status: Civilian (Civ), Killed by: Royal Ulster Constabulary (RUC) Shot by plastic bullet, during anti-internment march, Andersonstown Road, Belfast.
White, Keith 14 April 1986 (20) Protestant Status: Civilian (Civ), Killed by: Royal Ulster Constabulary (RUC) Died 15 days after being shot by plastic bullet, during street disturbances, Woodhouse Street, Portadown, County Armagh.
Duffy, Seamus 09 August 1989 (15) Catholic Status: Civilian (Civ), Killed by: Royal Ulster Constabulary (RUC) Shot by plastic bullet while walking along Dawson Street, New Lodge, Belfast.
Look at how many 10, 11...15yr olds killed by rubber/plastic bullets at the hands of the British state forces. But you don't want to talk about them..
I'm prepared to talk about the lot and not cherry pick (which you accused me of doing in my OP)..
No, today it's generally a flesh wound through the calf. Some get 'knee capped' but thats generally for repeat offenders.
What if the 15yr old was warned to stop his anti social what ever, recived a few slaps and continued? Or as I asked Wade (but he refuses to answerà..A 15 yr old breaks into your parents house and steals whatever he finds..The cops say 'sorry MD, can't help you'..And you bump into him in the street. Do you shake his hand or give him a slap he wont forget?
Wade the first victim on the list above was 11yrs old when killed by the BA...
The link I posted previous about Belfast, all I am asking is people to watch it and listen to what ordinary people think about it..(knee cappings in general)..
Even priests in the o6c's (not all but some) actually agree with knee cappings (or don't stop them)<--later I'll dig out a link.
I agree with the defacto amnesty (thats what it is). I have asked for a total amnesty for years on various forums.
Simply put a lot of the people who carried out the killings, bombings etc are dead through natural causes or other. The chance of securing a conviction are basically zero. Most people (state forces, paramiltaries, political leaders) wont tell the truth.
Unfortunatly a lot of people will never find out the truth and as hard as that is accept for most, it's the only way foward.
Wade do yourself a big favour and read what a guy called Primo said (I posted link), he's a former UVF volunteer and talks about innocent victims not being genuine.
As I said someone breaks into your parents house and the police say 'Sorry wade not enough evidence". Would you give the person a slap he wont forget in a hurry or shake his hand? Also what the youtube link about 'Belfast toughest towns' and listen to the ordinary people and their views.
Explain this remark. It sounds as if you are almost justifying state paramiltary violence but knocking me for explaining/justifying it.
Part of not only your problemwade but others here is simple you have no real grasp on what happens a few hundred miles up the road. And by your own admission you don't care what people in the o6c think. Take politics out of the equation for a minute. A 15/16 yr old breaks into your parents/grand parents house and you discover who it was..The police say 'Sorry Wade there isn't enough evidence to convict"...And later that day you crossed him/her in the street. Would you give who ever a slap they wont forget in a hurry or shake thier hands and say, "fair play to you"
The links I put up it would be a good idea to read/watch them. Then you may get an understanding of how a lot of people in the o6C's think...
I can easily put up names of children killed by rubber/plastic bullets..Bombs planted by the RUC/BA etc....
Part of the problem you have wade is you want to think the security forces were piggy in the middle. When the truth is very far from what you believe. They also carried out acts of terrorism.
Read the article about innocent victims are not alwats geniune. The people who broke into my parents house weren't much older than the 15 yr old recently knee capped.
Or watch this video and listen to what 51+1% of the people think..
Because the British have never openly admitted using the same tactics. I will go further to say they (The British Army) helped develope the tactics. A simple read of Kitsons book on 'Low instensity' clearly shows that. The recent book 'Lethal Allies' by Anne Cadwallader or check out a book that was banned called 'The Committee' (several yrs before).
I have never denied republicans used guerrilla tactics the BA have.
How it works in the o6c's is simple wade. The police arrest someone on a minor charge. And if it goes to court he/she could end up with a criminal record that hampers his/her career. So they (RUC/PSNI) cut a deal and ask the person to become 'their' eyes and ears and to report back to them. Putting the persons life in real danger.
A few weeks back I was reading an article on a UVF/RHC web site and came across a piece called Innocent Victims Are Not Always Genuine
Give us your considered opinion Snowy. Why is it 'cack' ? Because it's the truth that people what to either airbursh out of the news or under the carpet?
Simply to inform people that not very much has changed in th o6c. I'm not giving out wade. As hard as this is for most to understand I look at punisment attacks as a necessary evil. I personally know the people who broke into my parents house in the early 80's got knee capped. At the same time the same indivuals paid other people homes a vist and stole... Soon after the break ins stopped.
I will never trust the RUC/PSNI...I have no faith in them for anything.
The british will wait until everyone involved is dead because of natural causes or other before releasing anything. And when they do it will be heavily edited. They (brits) can't afford to tell the truth (any more than Gerry Adams can)..it will open a can of worms (most of which is already in the public domain).
The attack comes amid a rise in tension between Northern Ireland's Protestants and Catholics, who have shared power since a 1998 peace deal brought an end to three decades of sectarian bombings and shootings known as the Troubles.
There have been a string of security alerts in recent weeks, including the attempted murder of an ex-policeman with a bomb under his car, while petrol bombs were thrown at the Belfast office of the centrist Alliance Party at the weekend.
Nearly 70 people have been arrested over paramilitary-type attacks in the province since June.
You want to believe it's coming to a close and everything will alright and everyone ends up hugging trees etc. If thats what you want to believe I wont stop you. Don't ask me to buy into it. If anything a lot of the hoax bomb alerts are two fold..One it training and the other is intelligence gathering.
The other week in a pipe bomb attack in Ardoyne the RUC/PSNI use a drone to scout the area from above...
Last month, six young men from Londonderry were said to have been "exiled" by dissident republicans.Tommy McCourt, of Rosemount Resource Centre (RRC), who acts as mediator, said the six were just the latest in a series of similar cases that was growing daily .
The men, all aged between 19 and 25, were accused of a range of crimes, including drug dealing, car theft and anti-social behaviour.
You want to buy into the fairy story that all is honky dorey Witty be my guest. Don't ask me to buy into it. It's not true. There is that much trust etc.. that only last week they errected a new fence/peaceline in St Mathews chapel in the Short Strand..There are more walls today than during the conflict.
Re-read the 1st post and then take a closer look at the second 'attack' I mentioned. Then tell me again what I forgot to mention and how selective I am..
@ HC...There is very little difference in paramilitary activity with the 90's & today.
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RE: so many people have left or got banned from cs
Same could be said about yourself. We both know you were online since several of your posts were removed by the mods..Where you on a break from posting an only replying to PM's..Or were you yellow carded to for short while?As for being banned etc..I just have, so, sofar, I'll simply answer your point's here
Being British and not knowing anything about the ESB or EISB as you called them, your opinion doesn't count. There is no chance of their children falling into a poverty trap as they earn very good wages. And also it is about their pension.....I don't think their kids will be still depending on them at pension age, will they?
I can directly re-quote you again and ask you the same question that you refuse to answer. Several weeks ago on the inter-rants you said to 'lovemedo'..'The British aren't in your part of Ireland'. Exactly what part of Ireland are then still occupying? I'd hazzard a guess and say the six north eastern counties for starters. If you want I can show how Britain still influences irish domestic a foregin policies.
If you look at your first posts you suggest (or have no qualms in doing) dragging the ESB workers through courts at their & the states expense for 25yrs. Just how long would the striking ESB's 'worker's' saving be eaten up with legal costs by dragging through court for 25yeats...? As for you not thinking that their kids will need help from their parents in years to come etc. Wake up, it's happening today. All over Europe and wider. You should try keeping up with current events.