I didn't see the word "god" in his reply to you. Why do you interject that?
All matter did not create itself from nothing. Unless by "god" you refer to rock/earth as "god" and that it created itself from nothing. Do you have evidence that matter created itself ?
Is your question regarding creation just a bait and switch to a different question: "Can you prove God exists?" If so, then you were disingenuous.
You made comments based on what I said and I made comments based on what you said. That's what I would know, that's what I based it on. I can only go on what you say and you said plenty regarding my subject matter.
Why do you choose to be offended by reading more into what I said than I could possibly know? That makes no sense. Isn't that your problem?
"Deserve?", after they have married you, YES. Just like the government makes him support you and pay alimony after you divorce him because you "deserve" it right?
That is the problem with so many women, no accountability, just entitlements and a quick criticism.
Claim they are independent when there is no such thing as an independent woman, they just like to be adversarial in their comments and choose to believe they are "independent." News: your chocolate bar won't re-shingle your roof, change your engine, or fix your flat tire.
Play games with the "mind reading", I.E. "if you don't know then I'm not telling you."
Say they believe in equality while believing they are entitled to their gender privileges, really disgusting. And then pretending they don't know what you're talking about when you call them on it. They are either stupid or liars.
His money is everyone's money but her money is her money.
Thinking her way is the "right" way, just wanting what she wants, but not being able to support her position with logic. Rather insisting that she is right because the man is a jerk for disagreeing. I.E. the whole toilet seat debate.
Women not realizing that men do not marry women because they want to pay their bills for them. Somehow women will go years, or decades, thinking that they are giving something to a man by letting him pay for them, buy them things, build them homes, take them on vacations, etc while she gives NOTHING in return. "Staying" with him is her "sacrifice."
I think the issue for a lot of guys that I have talked to on this issue is that men have experienced that women tend to be much more controlling with money than men are and that there are strings attached when a women gives money in ways that men don't.
Culturally and socially it has become an undeniable norm that a large percent of women seek/expect money from men, no matter how much some women claim it isn't so men learn this throughout their lives. Men are expected to provide essentials, gifts, vacations, etc. It only stands to logic, in this context, that men would question what a woman would want from a man if it isn't his money and gifts. Men are taught that women, in general, are always looking for the bigger, better "deal" when it comes to men. A woman who has money tells him that the bar is set very high. Men want to give to women, they are taught this from early childhood. People, such as men on this thread, who criticize men for acting out as they have been taught are simply ignorant to the facts and are attacking men for doing what they have been taught as the truth. They are confusing mixed messages and confusion with "intimidation."
The simple solution is making clear in all your communications, with no mixed messages, that you don't expect money, gifts, or things, etc from him and that he shouldn't feel pressured to provide financially for you in any way whatsoever. Rather she should pour herself into him to show him that she cares about him for more than he can materially provide. If the woman is truly independent this should be easy.
I am in no way bashing anyone either, just sharing my insight.
I would like to speculate at who would suffer the most, instead of taking your bait and guessing at who you think would suffer the most.
This is very easy. It would be women who would suffer the most, by far. Without men there would be no computers, no decent homes with plumbing, electricity, heating, cooling, satellite TV, internet access, refrigerators and the varied food contained therein, a car waiting to drive on highways with traffic control, over bridges, through tunnels, to malls, parking structures, hospitals, airports, to waiting aircraft to fly anywhere in the world using communications/GPS systems to guide them there, no cell phones or other phones. Etc, etc, etc.
Without men women would be living in naturally formed caves or dirt floor huts at best.
There may be some women who could build/make some of the things that they learned from men but there wouldn't be enough of them and they would die out leaving men as the only source for these luxuries.
Assuming in your comment you meant that women and men have no interaction women would not be able to use their bodies to get any of these things from men which is the way it works in nature with the animals and how it has always been with people as well.
Of course men would suffer in not having the company of women, the feminine perspective and nature. The female form and energy. The nice things that the women could do to enhance their lives, share sunsets with, and "other" nice things as well. Kind of like the way American men suffer with all the masculine/selfish women in our society.
The men would most definitely suffer but not nearly as much as women would without the men.
You can't have it both ways. If this info is public then why aren't they suing?
BUT you claim businesses keep this info secret and require employees keep it secret so the ALLEGED wage gap is hidden. Which is it? It can't be both.
The stats you proffer are skewed every which way to Sunday. You don't give ANY specifics/details whatsoever. Just her wages vs. his wages. The hole in your stats would let the Titanic through. Propaganda is that way. It relies on people who either can't think for themselves or simply choose not to think.
One bit of info shreds your stats: MEN WORK MORE than women do. Now your stats just got flushed down the toilet.
Here's another: Men suffer 95% of job related deaths and 94% of job related serious injuries according to nbls.gov. Go look it up. Or don't you think men should make more if they risk more?
Your "stats" don't account for any such reality factors. There are many more that make your stats the equivalent of flat Earth theory.
If men are required to be the payers over 96% of the time shouldn't they be making more to support all those poor "victim" wives who 81% of the time initiated the divorce to start with, while not being expected to live off of the assets she acquired from the divorce?
Why is it that fully 3% of men ordered to pay child support NEVER pay a dime YET 46% of women ordered to pay child support NEVER pay a dime? Equality wouldn't allow this. But entitlements for women and a court system, social services system, that hates women paying men and refuses to enforce those court order sure does.
I appreciate women who work hard. My issue was with the unsubstantiated rhetoric of the other posts. I don't have any affiliation with any other "posse" but the fact that there are many other men who have the same/similar opinions might mean something.
Not all American women exhibit the traits mentioned in this article or my posts but the overwhelming number of experiences of men in this country can't be ignored. It just makes it hard to find to trust women who are a product of this feminism that is all too ubiquitous in our society.
You may not have a problem with men seeking women outside the USA but many women are very threatened by American men doing this. More often than not women make very insulting comments to men who have foreign brides and their brides themselves. I see them all the time.
You seem like a nice woman and I hope you find your other half soon.
Did you actually think that gave sources before? When you made your "passive aggressive" comment to me about my lack of sources didn't it even occur to you that you didn't give any? That's not very cognitive on your part.
I agree education isn't everything BUT it is something. BTW, sociology is a far more relevant qualifier to this discussion than any of the fields you mentioned. But "based on actual statistics" doesn't necessarily mean anything either. I am sure that you understand how stats are manipulated, misinterpreted, skewed, and how research bias plays into their selection and application.
Reality and experience are far more realistic. I.E. When I go to any number of different hardware stores and need concrete bags, lumber etc I have never had a woman load it although they certainly could but they are all at the checkout counter or other such duty where it is warm, dry, and safe. This may seem anecdotal but it is as uniform, standard, and predictable, throughout the decades, as the fact that females on road crews will be sign holders and not ditch diggers or that if something heavy needs to lifted on one of the many jobs I work on it will always be a man, even if the women could do it and make more than him. Male abilities and skills are often used against men, not for them. Because he can, he should, and will be required to do so, even if it serves him no advantage or may get him killed or maimed.
These real life experiences, that are plethora, should be enough. But all too often the non PC viewpoint/experience is discounted for the revisionist fantasy of a non existent utopian ideal. A rational discussion could be based on real world experiences, especially if they are repeatable and easily observed. I.E. go to a hardware store, ask for the title of the girl inside, go buy 90 pound concrete bags, watch the guy load them and then ask for his title. Usually the same title but NEVER the same job description. Find out about the "equal work for equal pay" scam. These examples are legion.
If men fought for "equality" as hard as some womyn do it would make women's lives MUCH more difficult, especially if men actually achieved it.
This is a specific and particular thread that was titled ": What's with all the misogyny towards women? This is what:". You chose to enter this thread.
BTW, how is stating social trends "demeaning" to women. The media constantly does this about men, and usually exaggerates or lies about it, and they have been doing it for decades. Aren't men allowed to call this demeaning if it is? Or aren't men allowed to complain under the codes of enforced chivalry?
I hardly think that performing for something is "offered". And what makes you think that people are stuck with the people on their street or neighborhood? City, state, country, continent? Who says you decide?
Was this an attempt at a shaming/guilt tactic? If so, that is so typical.
Buddy, with the current norm of marriage as business where over 96% of alimony payers in the USA are men it pretty much proves your point. Marriage in the American system is a lose/lose for men and a win/win for women. That explains why 81% of divorces are initiated by women.
This also gives credence to the popular trend, that all the insulting feminists write angry books about, of men refusing "to grow up", as if exercising choice NOT to marry means you are a child. From 2002 to 2012 the average first marriage age of men went from 25 to 35 respectively, in the USA. One year every year for 10 years, that's HUGE. Men are finally waking up to how bad marriage is for them.
Eeekwalitee might actually have some consequences, huh?
Well, at least, from your perspective, it isn't female bashing decade or lifetime, like it has been for men in the USA.
Is it so hard for women to consider their own dirty laundry for a moment or two without crying "victim" or needing to shift the focus back onto men's shortcoming and continue the never-ending trend of exclusive male bashing.
Do you actually believe that people are the same everywhere and that it isn't possible that women in America could be better, or worse, than women in another country, 'in general' ?
Example: do you think women in Afghanistan think that maybe men in "over there" are better than the men in their country who make them wear burkas and beat or kill them for violating sharia law?
If they could reasonably think this, and they do, then why is it unreasonable to think it is possible comparing American women to Ukrainian women?
Your blatant closed mindedness only really gives credence to the presupposition that you disagree with.
BTW, I have met many Ukrainian women, and American woman, 'in general' have got nothing on them. Not even in the same galaxy. But it is hard to hear, I know, even if you know you are one of the ones being referred to.
Have met any Ukrainian women? If you don't know the difference then claiming you do only proves the posters assertions about you.
But you will choose to believe what makes you feel comfortable.
The average American woman wouldn't know how to treat a man in a relationship to save her own life. The current American culture wouldn't allow her to even if she did. She would have to be a rebel and resist peer pressure to actually love a man the way she should.
The man bashing posts by women on here make this case very well. Although the men of the USA have been subjected to anti-male trash for decades and these harridans still think the female perspective needs reinforcing, ENOUGH IS ENOUGH with the "women are victims" propaganda.
From 2002 to 2012 the average first marriage age of men went from 25 to 35 respectively. THAT'S HUGE!
Men are sick of the lose/lose situation with women and the stats prove it conclusively.
81% of divorces are initiated by women, that's also HUGE! No wonder with 96+% of alimony payers being men in this age of eekwalitee. Alimony being paid AFTER she took half the assets that she thinks she shouldn't be required to spend on herself but should be her "security" on top of the alimony. How sick is that.
No wonder men are going to Ukraine, Russia, China, etc to find women who actually look/act/dress/talk like women.
American women are NOW reaping the whirlwind from their eekwalitee, and it will get much worse for them before it ever gets better. A new generation will have to be informed, and this one dying out, before this society will see healthy, love based relationships as the norm, instead of the expectations/business/entitlements model of relationships, that women drive, ever changes.
The great thing is that American men are wanted all over the world, although most American men don't know they have fantastic options. The sad thing is American women are NOT wanted the world over. Don't believe it? Ask yourself "how many websites focus on helping women find men overseas"? None that I ever heard of, and this one is NOT focused on that.
Good luck to all those seeking love in relationships and I hope you can avoid the business/negotiation/expectations model for relationships, RUN if you see that across the table from you, RUN, DON'T WALK !
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RE: Your Best Argument For Creation
I didn't see the word "god" in his reply to you. Why do you interject that?All matter did not create itself from nothing. Unless by "god" you refer to rock/earth as "god" and that it created itself from nothing. Do you have evidence that matter created itself ?
Is your question regarding creation just a bait and switch to a different question: "Can you prove God exists?" If so, then you were disingenuous.