I wouldn't make it a fact as nothing ever really came out of the claim that Hussein wasn't guilty of WMD. In any case it is not very logical to conclude based on your statement that these countries just because they were allies to have just jumped in the fire just because the US told them to.
We are making a big mistake by saying that the reason of the involvement of the G5 wasn't justified with or without WMD. The fact remains that Hussein invaded Jordan which was the beginning of US going in.
I think you really believe that US just went in an dipped its toes uninvited? There is a great involvement of all the European countries, UK, France as well as Germany. Why are you singling out US by itself?
Will you read the history of the beginning of the conflict?
I copied this chronological events that mark the beginning of the build up of Middle East conflict, from Google.
IRAQ 2000.11 Saddam announces Iraq will only accept EUR as payment for its oil 2001.09 World Trade Centre destruction 2002.11 Saddam invites UN weapons inspectors into the country 2003.01 UN weapons inspectors didn't find evidence of nuclear weapons in Iraq 2003.01 Germany rules out Iraq invasion support 2003.01 France joins Germany in opposing Iraq invasion 2003.02 Europeans oppose Iraq invasion 2003.03 US, UK and Australia invade Iraq 2003.08 Public support for Iraq invasion plummets in the UK 2004.03 Madrid train bombings 2005.03 Italy plans Iraq pull out 2005.07 London bombings 2006.12 Saddam Hussein was executed and his hanging spread on the web
LIBYA 1999.08 Gaddafi announces plans for the African Development Bank, reviving the gold dinar as a single African currency 2009.00 Gaddafi announces Libya only accepts gold-backed dinar for oil 2011.02 Libyan Civil War starts 2011.07 US declares Libyan rebels as government and releases $30b 2011.10 US+NATO invade Libya 2011.10 Gaddafi is beaten and shot to death, and his body publicly displayed for days in an industrial freezer
IRAN 2003.Q1 US starts work on operation TIRANNT ("Theater IRAN Near Term") 2005.01 Iran announces Oil Bourse in Kish trading in EUR and IRR 2006.12 Security Council imposes sanctions on Iran for nuclear enrichment 2007.05 Bush authorises CIA operations against Iran 2007.09 Israel bombs Syria 2007.12 Iran completed converting all oil exports to non-USD 2008.02 Iranian Oil Bourse opens 2009.00 UK starts planning covert action in Syria 2009.02 Israel launches covert war against Iran 2009.11 IAEA adopts resolution against Iran's nuclear program 2009.11 Lula welcomes Ahmadinejad to Brazil 2010.05 US frustrates Iran-Turkey enriched fuel swap brokered by Brazil 2011.00 US+UK start training opposition forces in Syria 2011.03 Civil uprising starts in Syria 2013.03 ŸThe BRICS announce plans for a BRICS Development Bank 2013.06 Protests simultaneously hit the streets in Turkey and Brazil
Foreign Exchange: Saddam Turns His Back on Greenbacks Gaddafi calls for United States of Africa Saving the world economy from Gaddafi The Pentagon Preps for Iran Iranian oil bourse Bush Authorizes New Covert Action Against Iran Lula takes risk in welcoming Ahmadinejad to Brazil URANIUM ENRICHMENT, UNANIMOUSLY ADOPTING RESOLUTION 1737 (2006) Nuclear program of Iran Israel launches covert war against Iran - Telegraph Syria intervention plan fueled by oil interests, not chemical weapon concern Turkey, Brazil seal deal on Iran nuclear fuel swap BRICS Development Bank Syrian civil war 2013 protests in Brazil 2013 protests in Turkey Why did Israel bomb Syria? 2003 invasion of Iraq 2011 military intervention in Libya Libyan civil war
I know for a fact that the US were summoned when Hussein invaded Jordan, then the effect is still very much going on.
Much the same way in Afghanistan...Why do we seem to be blamed on all these conflicts when in fact we just didn't put in our toes there without some kind of begging for help?
I want to hear the follow up on this Crayons. Technically, countries at this time and age can't be treated as such. Most commerce and labors are now pretty much global. Each country has its benefits from not being isolated.
"Now I don't agree with all that China is doing, but I can fully understand why they are doing it. If America truly wants peace, then get the hell out of Asia, Let Asian countries sort out Asian problems, because if America keeps poking Asia with a stick, then Asia will become another middle east situation, but with countries that can really fight back."
I would not think that Asia is for Asia and or The West is to get isolated away from the world. We are getting global and trade is such. Global, so how can you claim that Asia is for Asia? In what terms?
With the way it is going Rizla, it is the name of the game, the world leaders are doing must be so bored. We are just pawned at their whims.
Quite frankly, I wouldn't be surprised at all if there are hundreds of them, just don't get detected and I would neither over rule the fact that China has.
Let me be clear though, it is not exactly in China Sea. It is exactly 56 miles west of the Philippine Shore and it is international waters. There are laws that exactly draw where is protected by any sovereign country.
Don't we wish that is the case Rizla? But the real world is not limited to just fun and thrill. I am sure, man as it wants to test all what it has accomplished in terms of technology, then they venture for the challenge that proves their feat.
In reality though, that is nowhere near the territory of China, in fact it is in an international water.
I am sorry you did not get my point clearly, that is exactly what I am getting at. It is a set up for anything that can trigger that as a goal. Of course it is for the interest of the US to initiate such a provocation just to make it happen.
I am not saying it is but I am thinking in that direction. If the loan is erased as a result of such a war, then China is the big loser. If there is a chance that they win, those trillion debts will still be in paper somehow.
But whatever there is something seriously get pushed towards this agenda.
I know for a fact that Trump is restructuring the Trade lay out between China and the US and that would be a motivation to get this relationship go wayward but I will not pay attention to such insults as a cause but rather the core behind those insults. In fact I would give more weight on the fact that Trumps being a businessman knows exactly why the US is on the losing end of the stick on such venture. Now if China thinks that is a good enough reason, I would get past the insults but truly look at the core of this tension.
After all China has no reason to build military post in disputed waters had it not plan on having a good use at it.
China being a major creditor in the IMF, most likely the only way to pay it off is to go to war and voila is they are vanquished I am sure, bye bye to those loans. I am not sure as I am not an economist but common sense make it very clear to have that as a goal.
Lol then what? I'd not go that far where we consider using any parts from them. No matter how superior looking their technology is, I wouldn't go that far.
Well it looks like it's a very deserving response to a Presidential elect''s insults, but I would go beyond that. I think it's an invitation for a more military show off. China us definitely overdoing it.
There's probably many more if them out there after all that's the name of the game. The question is, why confiscate in a non protected water. It's in an international site.
(CNN)The Pentagon is demanding that China return an "unlawfully seized" underwater drone after a Chinese warship took the device from waters near a US oceanographic vessel.
"We call upon China to return our UUV immediately, and to comply with all of its obligations under international law," Pentagon press secretary Peter Cook said in a statement, using the abbreviation for "unmanned underwater vehicle."
Your opinion us yours, obviously many disagreed and perhaps offended because the reality us, like I said on my opening post, he's not a mysoginist for the sake of the definition of what a mysoginist is relative to who he is as we know.
Plain and simple, you don't like him but it's stupid of you toaccuse one when it's not true.
He's not perfect, he's flawed just like all of ys, but mysoginist? I am sure you can understand thwhy meaning right? But check this out, you call my threads stupid and I don't think you know what's stupid and not.
I'm glad you can laugh at it Rizla. Your sarcasm goes way deep to our senses, we that believe. But if it makes you happy to be laughing about us, go for it, what do we have to lose? Nothing. I'll gladly provide you that amusement.
In my birth country, the Philippines, people are so happy and delighted at this wonderful event. It's so fI'll of good spirit and you can feel people so glued together in the celebration. For most people it's the main highlight if their lives. I am always looking forward for this part of the year wherever I am, but more so in the Philippines. My family never missed attending the midnight mass which culminate on Christmas Eve.
Very solemn yet joyful.
The decoration of each house and tree, very meaningful and full of joy and merriment.
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What happens if China refuses to return the navy drone
Anyways it is bedtime and I will sign off for right now.