Drone Strikes in Pakistan .This must be stopped (110)
Every one here knows the the Predator strikes become "public information" fairly soon after the strike. Leaving a hole in the ground the size of a house, it is pretty easy to get a photo to a newspaper within 24 hour time.
That being the case.....what is the frequency of US Predator attacks in Pakistan? Maybe one a week? One every ten days?
All out air campaigns....are day and night bombing campaigns.
Operations running 24/7.
Hugs and Robbie....this frequency of Predator strikes is no where near that rate. The OP makes it sound like Pakistan villages are
being destroyed daily/nightly/hourly.
The reality of that? No way can present Predator strikes can do that.
Robbie, we both know that the Hellfire...the missile used by the
Predator....is a single building weapon. You want to destroy a village....you use several 2000 pounds bombs...not a single Hellfire missile.
But I do totally agree that the lost of a single innocent woman, man or child....is one to many. But I have no problem after 9/11, removing men that would conduct such terrorism...from living here on Planet Earth.
That being the case.....what is the frequency of US Predator attacks in Pakistan? Maybe one a week? One every ten days?
All out air campaigns....are day and night bombing campaigns.
Operations running 24/7.
Hugs and Robbie....this frequency of Predator strikes is no where near that rate. The OP makes it sound like Pakistan villages are
being destroyed daily/nightly/hourly.
The reality of that? No way can present Predator strikes can do that.
Robbie, we both know that the Hellfire...the missile used by the
Predator....is a single building weapon. You want to destroy a village....you use several 2000 pounds bombs...not a single Hellfire missile.
But I do totally agree that the lost of a single innocent woman, man or child....is one to many. But I have no problem after 9/11, removing men that would conduct such terrorism...from living here on Planet Earth.
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ttom500: Every one here knows the the Predator strikes become "public information" fairly soon after the strike. Leaving a hole in the ground the size of a house, it is pretty easy to get a photo to a newspaper within 24 hour time.
That being the case.....what is the frequency of US Predator attacks in Pakistan? Maybe one a week? One every ten days?
All out air campaigns....are day and night bombing campaigns.
Operations running 24/7.
Hugs and Robbie....this frequency of Predator strikes is no where near that rate. The OP makes it sound like Pakistan villages are
being destroyed daily/nightly/hourly.
The reality of that? No way can present Predator strikes can do that.
Robbie, we both know that the Hellfire...the missile used by the
Predator....is a single building weapon. You want to destroy a village....you use several 2000 pounds bombs...not a single Hellfire missile.
But I do totally agree that the lost of a single innocent woman, man or child....is one to many. But I have no problem after 9/11, removing men that would conduct such terrorism...from living here on Planet Earth.
That being the case.....what is the frequency of US Predator attacks in Pakistan? Maybe one a week? One every ten days?
All out air campaigns....are day and night bombing campaigns.
Operations running 24/7.
Hugs and Robbie....this frequency of Predator strikes is no where near that rate. The OP makes it sound like Pakistan villages are
being destroyed daily/nightly/hourly.
The reality of that? No way can present Predator strikes can do that.
Robbie, we both know that the Hellfire...the missile used by the
Predator....is a single building weapon. You want to destroy a village....you use several 2000 pounds bombs...not a single Hellfire missile.
But I do totally agree that the lost of a single innocent woman, man or child....is one to many. But I have no problem after 9/11, removing men that would conduct such terrorism...from living here on Planet Earth.
TTom
You are missing the Point . Its not how many missiles you fire . Its about the right of people living that region . Yesteday too 13 people are killed . they were guests in a tribal leaders home .not the militants . Who give US the blanket right to kill people to meet its goal ? If US has the specific intelligence ,engage pakistan army to capture them and subject to fair trail to prove the point.These villegers are no way in a war with the US .and its not their falut that the Taliban fighters living among them .If it is a collateral damage in the war can you write off as US is doing now , a missile falling in Washington killing many and the emeny claim that they were looking for your president ? Pakistan is not your ememy .US is treating Pakistan like a mistress . Screwing it lavishly by killing its people and paying it handsomly .other hand..No leadership with some self respect will receive those payout for kiling its own people . US along with the current Pak leadership is destroying innocent human life to meet the political goals.. This policy is dangerous to all of us
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I absolutely agree Tom re the weaponry.The predator is not equiped to flatten a village, nor are there enough in theatre to be flying all over the area scanning for targets.
A six string of say 6 x 500lbs bombs would be far more effective for a village for unhardened buildings.
The blastwave of a pair of 2 x 2000lbs (paveway type) bombs will level a village and effectively flatten everything in it.
This isn't surgical though, but if you had a target like a training camp with tents all lined out i would do the six string myself with a dose of cluster bombs on their escape route to completely obliterate the combatants.
Other people wont know what a "paveway" is, i suppose so here's a link
A six string of say 6 x 500lbs bombs would be far more effective for a village for unhardened buildings.
The blastwave of a pair of 2 x 2000lbs (paveway type) bombs will level a village and effectively flatten everything in it.
This isn't surgical though, but if you had a target like a training camp with tents all lined out i would do the six string myself with a dose of cluster bombs on their escape route to completely obliterate the combatants.
Other people wont know what a "paveway" is, i suppose so here's a link
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bollywood:
Its not how many missiles you fire . Its about the right of people living that region . Yesteday too 13 people are killed . they were guests in a tribal leaders home .not the militants .
Its not how many missiles you fire . Its about the right of people living that region . Yesteday too 13 people are killed . they were guests in a tribal leaders home .not the militants .
You're absolutely right.
The US has no right to send missiles into Pakistan for any reason whatsoever, nor to act as judge, jury, and hangman over citizens of Pakistan.
And these killings are not accidents or cases of mistaken identity. The US wants civilian casualties. They want to provoke trouble.
The Taliban are nothing but an Asian version of the Contras.
A CIA controlled "insurgency" that serves to stir up violence and eventually as an excuse to invade and occupy Pakistan.
Another possible variation on the same theme would be what the US did in Cambodia. That is, to provoke a mass migration of villagers into the cities, resulting in a breakdown of vital services, all sorts of chaos and crime, destabilizing the government, followed by a genocidal reign of terror (perhaps by the CIA-Taliban).
In the aftermath, after a few million deaths, the new Pakistani government will be nothing but a puppet of the US, but everyone will be so glad that the terror is over that they will accept it gladly.
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RobbieM: I absolutely agree Tom re the weaponry.The predator is not equiped to flatten a village, nor are there enough in theatre to be flying all over the area scanning for targets.
A six string of say 6 x 500lbs bombs would be far more effective for a village for unhardened buildings.
The blastwave of a pair of 2 x 2000lbs (paveway type) bombs will level a village and effectively flatten everything in it.
This isn't surgical though, but if you had a target like a training camp with tents all lined out i would do the six string myself with a dose of cluster bombs on their escape route to completely obliterate the combatants.
Other people wont know what a "paveway" is, i suppose so here's a link
A six string of say 6 x 500lbs bombs would be far more effective for a village for unhardened buildings.
The blastwave of a pair of 2 x 2000lbs (paveway type) bombs will level a village and effectively flatten everything in it.
This isn't surgical though, but if you had a target like a training camp with tents all lined out i would do the six string myself with a dose of cluster bombs on their escape route to completely obliterate the combatants.
Other people wont know what a "paveway" is, i suppose so here's a link
Yesterday President Obama was worried because of North Korea was blasting off a rocket which is considered to be a long range missile which will give a tactical edge to North Korea . If one missile can generate so much worry to a powerfull nation like US ,imagine the plight of the poor villages who are facing this bolts from the a powerfull nation with monstrous material advantage over them .
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littlewolf: I was raised to believe u either is or u aint.Its either black or its white.In other words,these forum posters are either terriost or terriost sympathizers.They get on here to get good people fighting,however in this case they just debated.
I couldn't agree more.
bodleing: WTF!!!!
I couldn't agree more.
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RayfromUSA: littlewolf: I was raised to believe u either is or u aint.Its either black or its white.In other words,these forum posters are either terriost or terriost sympathizers.They get on here to get good people fighting,however in this case they just debated.
I couldn't agree more.
I couldn't agree more.
Of course u do.Is there a full moon across the big pond or what.
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RayfromUSA: littlewolf: I was raised to believe u either is or u aint.Its either black or its white.In other words,these forum posters are either terriost or terriost sympathizers.They get on here to get good people fighting,however in this case they just debated.
I couldn't agree more.
I couldn't agree more.
Welllllllll let's see if the U.S. would say the same thing if Pakistan came into to NYC...and started to bomb for terrorists there....I guess that would be ok then and the rest of the world should sympathize with them...OR be said to support terrorists....funny when it happens on their soil...it's called terrorism....
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bollywood: Yesterday President Obama was worried because of North Korea was blasting off a rocket which is considered to be a long range missile which will give a tactical edge to North Korea . If one missile can generate so much worry to a powerfull nation like US ,imagine the plight of the poor villages who are facing this bolts from the a powerfull nation with monstrous material advantage over them .
American foriegn policy has been somewhat skewed for some time.
This isn't the fault of the American citizen, it's not even the fault of the Military branches.
The responsibility falls directly at the feet of the politicians.
Make no mistake, if they just said US Marines, you are now at the disposal of the Pakistani Security Services and will conduct combat missions on there behalf as from next month then you would see improvement immediately.
Likewise Using specialised units to train and "advise" native forces to perform anti terrorist duties.
Military doctrine to "win a war" is feet on the ground, winning the hearts and minds of the locals and justice being seen to be done with units who act in a sloppy amateur manner (and i've seen it myself) where locals see incompetents held responsible for their actions.
In other words, if you shoot civilians in front of TV camera's and then cheer on TV and "Hell yeah, let's do that again" then those should be frankly be hanged.Some personnel are frankly unfit to wear their uniform and as such are a disgrace to their country, their military and humanity.
You'll soon get military personnel to think before they open fire after that, and training in different countries is completely different, and the mentality of the troops and leadership.
As for the dynamic behind closed doors if you have the capability to deploy long range weapons you will be invited closer in the family of nations.This means more funding, larger loans and more financial bargaining power in political circles.
So that is why people develop the "bomb" not for defence, but for economic aid and bargaining power.Anyone honest within the defence industry will tell you this is the case.
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Hugz, you watch what will happen should the United States perform military action on Iran.
Iran for instance has an excellent intelligence and foreign capability which will make anything like Al Quaeda ever performed look like a fire cracker going off on Halloween.
You will see a well orchestrated highly trained highly motivated professional group of army officers conducting operations inside America's borders, with the ability and equipment to do whatever they want.
The sooner Everyone is calm and sensible the better.
In the meantime don't trust a single politician, and help those around you as that is all you can do in this world.
Iran for instance has an excellent intelligence and foreign capability which will make anything like Al Quaeda ever performed look like a fire cracker going off on Halloween.
You will see a well orchestrated highly trained highly motivated professional group of army officers conducting operations inside America's borders, with the ability and equipment to do whatever they want.
The sooner Everyone is calm and sensible the better.
In the meantime don't trust a single politician, and help those around you as that is all you can do in this world.
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RobbieM: Hugz, you watch what will happen should the United States perform military action on Iran.
Iran for instance has an excellent intelligence and foreign capability which will make anything like Al Quaeda ever performed look like a fire cracker going off on Halloween.
You will see a well orchestrated highly trained highly motivated professional group of army officers conducting operations inside America's borders, with the ability and equipment to do whatever they want.
The sooner Everyone is calm and sensible the better.
In the meantime don't trust a single politician, and help those around you as that is all you can do in this world.
Iran for instance has an excellent intelligence and foreign capability which will make anything like Al Quaeda ever performed look like a fire cracker going off on Halloween.
You will see a well orchestrated highly trained highly motivated professional group of army officers conducting operations inside America's borders, with the ability and equipment to do whatever they want.
The sooner Everyone is calm and sensible the better.
In the meantime don't trust a single politician, and help those around you as that is all you can do in this world.
Can say that at least you have an active imagination.
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RobbieM: Hugz, you watch what will happen should the United States perform military action on Iran.
Iran for instance has an excellent intelligence and foreign capability which will make anything like Al Quaeda ever performed look like a fire cracker going off on Halloween.
You will see a well orchestrated highly trained highly motivated professional group of army officers conducting operations inside America's borders, with the ability and equipment to do whatever they want.
The sooner Everyone is calm and sensible the better.
In the meantime don't trust a single politician, and help those around you as that is all you can do in this world.
Iran for instance has an excellent intelligence and foreign capability which will make anything like Al Quaeda ever performed look like a fire cracker going off on Halloween.
You will see a well orchestrated highly trained highly motivated professional group of army officers conducting operations inside America's borders, with the ability and equipment to do whatever they want.
The sooner Everyone is calm and sensible the better.
In the meantime don't trust a single politician, and help those around you as that is all you can do in this world.
RobbieM: Hugz, you watch what will happen should the United States perform military action on Iran.
Iran for instance has an excellent intelligence and foreign capability which will make anything like Al Quaeda ever performed look like a fire cracker going off on Halloween.
You will see a well orchestrated highly trained highly motivated professional group of army officers conducting operations inside America's borders, with the ability and equipment to do whatever they want.
Well this is it..one of these days...that's exactly what's gonna happen...and I don't really either...
The sooner Everyone is calm and sensible the better.
In the meantime don't trust a single politician, and help those around you as that is all you can do in this world.
Iran for instance has an excellent intelligence and foreign capability which will make anything like Al Quaeda ever performed look like a fire cracker going off on Halloween.
You will see a well orchestrated highly trained highly motivated professional group of army officers conducting operations inside America's borders, with the ability and equipment to do whatever they want.
Well this is it..one of these days...that's exactly what's gonna happen...and I don't really either...
The sooner Everyone is calm and sensible the better.
In the meantime don't trust a single politician, and help those around you as that is all you can do in this world.
RobbieM: Hugz, you watch what will happen should the United States perform military action on Iran.
Iran for instance has an excellent intelligence and foreign capability which will make anything like Al Quaeda ever performed look like a fire cracker going off on Halloween.
You will see a well orchestrated highly trained highly motivated professional group of army officers conducting operations inside America's borders, with the ability and equipment to do whatever they want.
The sooner Everyone is calm and sensible the better.
In the meantime don't trust a single politician, and help those around you as that is all you can do in this world.
Iran for instance has an excellent intelligence and foreign capability which will make anything like Al Quaeda ever performed look like a fire cracker going off on Halloween.
You will see a well orchestrated highly trained highly motivated professional group of army officers conducting operations inside America's borders, with the ability and equipment to do whatever they want.
The sooner Everyone is calm and sensible the better.
In the meantime don't trust a single politician, and help those around you as that is all you can do in this world.
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My post should have said...One of these days...that's exactly what is gonna happen...
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Hugz_n_Kissez: My post should have said...One of these days...that's exactly what is gonna happen...
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Wellllllll it only makes sense.... 
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Should the U.S. start a conflict with Iran without any provocation, then America deserves whatever it gets.
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Hugz_n_Kissez: My post should have said...One of these days...that's exactly what is gonna happen...
Well if they attack Iran, much the same as if they were to say tun on say the British then you can be absolutely sure that you will see places of strategic importance vaporise.
Then what,limited nuclear exchange?
The mentality is insane and they need to kick the Hawks out and let balanced people run their government, nor paranoid twisted people who believe there's "reds under the bed" everywhere.
Anyone with a religion other than Far Right Christian or fundamentalist Jew does not and will not have a disproportionate voice within government or political circles.
The time for insanity is over, time for a new beginning and not find "new enemies" to permanently portray to maintain defence spending and defence budgets.
In 200 years everyone will be speaking Chinese, so adult like adults, and behave ad the world will be a better place!
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RobbieM: Well if they attack Iran, much the same as if they were to say tun on say the British then you can be absolutely sure that you will see places of strategic importance vaporise.
Then what,limited nuclear exchange?
The mentality is insane and they need to kick the Hawks out and let balanced people run their government, nor paranoid twisted people who believe there's "reds under the bed" everywhere.
Anyone with a religion other than Far Right Christian or fundamentalist Jew does not and will not have a disproportionate voice within government or political circles.
The time for insanity is over, time for a new beginning and not find "new enemies" to permanently portray to maintain defence spending and defence budgets.
In 200 years everyone will be speaking Chinese, so adult like adults, and behave ad the world will be a better place!
Then what,limited nuclear exchange?
The mentality is insane and they need to kick the Hawks out and let balanced people run their government, nor paranoid twisted people who believe there's "reds under the bed" everywhere.
Anyone with a religion other than Far Right Christian or fundamentalist Jew does not and will not have a disproportionate voice within government or political circles.
The time for insanity is over, time for a new beginning and not find "new enemies" to permanently portray to maintain defence spending and defence budgets.
In 200 years everyone will be speaking Chinese, so adult like adults, and behave ad the world will be a better place!
Right it's time for peace or total annihilation...Guess it's time to choose which one...and Soon.......and anyone that wants to call me an American hater or a terrorist supporter can go rub salt because even if it were my own country I would be saying the same thing...I can criticize my government cause I don't keep my eyes shut nor will I support what I consider to be wrongs done by my government and I also don't take it as a personal criticism of the people but the government itself....
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bollywood: TTom
You are missing the Point . Its not how many missiles you fire . Its about the right of people living that region . Yesteday too 13 people are killed . they were guests in a tribal leaders home .not the militants . Who give US the blanket right to kill people to meet its goal ? If US has the specific intelligence ,engage pakistan army to capture them and subject to fair trail to prove the point.These villegers are no way in a war with the US .and its not their falut that the Taliban fighters living among them .If it is a collateral damage in the war can you write off as US is doing now , a missile falling in Washington killing many and the emeny claim that they were looking for your president ? Pakistan is not your ememy .US is treating Pakistan like a mistress . Screwing it lavishly by killing its people and paying it handsomly .other hand..No leadership with some self respect will receive those payout for kiling its own people . US along with the current Pak leadership is destroying innocent human life to meet the political goals.. This policy is dangerous to all of us
You are missing the Point . Its not how many missiles you fire . Its about the right of people living that region . Yesteday too 13 people are killed . they were guests in a tribal leaders home .not the militants . Who give US the blanket right to kill people to meet its goal ? If US has the specific intelligence ,engage pakistan army to capture them and subject to fair trail to prove the point.These villegers are no way in a war with the US .and its not their falut that the Taliban fighters living among them .If it is a collateral damage in the war can you write off as US is doing now , a missile falling in Washington killing many and the emeny claim that they were looking for your president ? Pakistan is not your ememy .US is treating Pakistan like a mistress . Screwing it lavishly by killing its people and paying it handsomly .other hand..No leadership with some self respect will receive those payout for kiling its own people . US along with the current Pak leadership is destroying innocent human life to meet the political goals.. This policy is dangerous to all of us
You mean the same Pakistani military that involced three time in assignaiton attempts on Peres Musharref?
You mean the same Paksitani military that employed Mushadeen from the tribal region to fight in the Khasmir region against India?
You mean the same Pakistani military that engaged a US/Afghani patrol when it missioned across the border?
You mean that same Pakistani military that approved the ceasefire not once but now several time with the Taliban?
You mean the same Pakistani military that cannot defend or protect the US supply bases within Pakistan?
That this military is going to finding Taliban and AlQeada....???
Give it break. The Pakistani army has no intent in rounding up Taliban and AlQeada in the north west tribal regions. They forced reduced last year in the region exactly when the Taliban needed them to....early spring....so the Taliban could have fighters for a summer offensive in Afghanistan.
With President Obama saying that the US would sit in Afghanistan, while paying the Pakistani gov't billions in civilian and military aid, the gov't of Pakistan is no hurry to end this.
Having a few terrorist huts in the Pakistani tribal regions for Predator target practice....should be worth the billions in aid that the Pakistani are getting from the US.
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Well i dont see them rushing to get rid of robert Mugabe.There's one candidate if ever i saw one who needed removing from power.
The example of human rights, freedom, democracy are terms that are used to just provide excuses for military action.
Look what happened in Somalia, i am surprised someone from the Rangers hasn't shot Clinton after he got them pulled out without them achieving their mission.
Disrespected the men, didn't achieve their mission, and for what, for public opinion and ratings on TV, but they soon wanted to get back in when oil was discovered.
Their motives at the top are totally corrupt.