Brian Cowen (61)
i wouldnt go near a government job well
they get an allowanse when the leave(bertie)
get houses painted for free
hmm second thoughts!
they get an allowanse when the leave(bertie)
get houses painted for free
hmm second thoughts!
Kellyseye: i wouldnt go near a government job wellthey get an allowanse when the leave(bertie)
get houses painted for free
hmm second thoughts!
get houses painted for free
hmm second thoughts!
Maybe a few years ago is was a handy number but he must be under a serious amount of stress poor crater
Bellysgonnagetya: Nobody could have predicted this recession it came out of the blue and kicked us were it hurt
admitadely he made a balls of it but i dont think Enda kenny or Eamon Gilmore could do a better job
admitadely he made a balls of it but i dont think Enda kenny or Eamon Gilmore could do a better job
Actually it didn't. Live register figures have been rising for more than 2 years. Repossessions have been rising for more than 2 years.
This was not as sudden as taxpayers are being led to believe.
And what is Biffo doing? Making matters worse!!
Taking money out of peoples pockets means they have less to spend in shops/businesses. So the shops/businesses close down. So the dole queues increase. So the Welfare bill increases. So he increases taxes/levies.
So people have less to spend in shops/businesses. So shops/businesses close down. So the dole queues increase...
Need I go on?
And yet Biffo himself hasn't lost a penny!!!!!
wexlady41: Actually it didn't. Live register figures have been rising for more than 2 years. Repossessions have been rising for more than 2 years.
This was not as sudden as taxpayers are being led to believe.
And what is Biffo doing? Making matters worse!!Taking money out of peoples pockets means they have less to spend in shops/businesses. So the shops/businesses close down. So the dole queues increase. So the Welfare bill increases. So he increases taxes/levies.
So people have less to spend in shops/businesses. So shops/businesses close down. So the dole queues increase...
Need I go on?
And yet Biffo himself hasn't lost a penny!!!!!
This was not as sudden as taxpayers are being led to believe.
And what is Biffo doing? Making matters worse!!Taking money out of peoples pockets means they have less to spend in shops/businesses. So the shops/businesses close down. So the dole queues increase. So the Welfare bill increases. So he increases taxes/levies.
So people have less to spend in shops/businesses. So shops/businesses close down. So the dole queues increase...
Need I go on?
And yet Biffo himself hasn't lost a penny!!!!!
So what exactly do you propose that he do about it, then? Lower taxes? Raise taxes? Cut services to the general public? Cut social welfare payments and entitlements and eligibility for same? Increase services and State spending? Increase State borrowing and Bond issuing in the short term? Decrease State Wages, increase them?
Have you personally got any decent suggestions that may help the country return to a sound footing?
Fianna fail(ed) obituary.
The soldiers of disaster (formerly the soldiers of destiny) 1926-2009. Savaged to death at local and european elections.Deeply regretted by builders,developers,bankers and cowboys everywhere. Remains reposing in large tent on the Galway racecourse. Funeral mass in the church of St bertie the chancer. Burial afterwards in the golden circle cemetery.no flowers please. Brown envelopes only!
The soldiers of disaster (formerly the soldiers of destiny) 1926-2009. Savaged to death at local and european elections.Deeply regretted by builders,developers,bankers and cowboys everywhere. Remains reposing in large tent on the Galway racecourse. Funeral mass in the church of St bertie the chancer. Burial afterwards in the golden circle cemetery.no flowers please. Brown envelopes only!
In response to: Who would want his job at this moment and time?
Hes getting attacked from all angles, I feel sorry for him and wouldnt wish his job on my worst enemy
Hes getting attacked from all angles, I feel sorry for him and wouldnt wish his job on my worst enemy
Losty: So what exactly do you propose that he do about it, then? Lower taxes? Raise taxes? Cut services to the general public? Cut social welfare payments and entitlements and eligibility for same? Increase services and State spending? Increase State borrowing and Bond issuing in the short term? Decrease State Wages, increase them?
Have you personally got any decent suggestions that may help the country return to a sound footing?
Have you personally got any decent suggestions that may help the country return to a sound footing?
Well he has already raised taxes and cut wages..and it's making matters worse.
I suggest the BILLIONS of Euro in loans that were given to the Golden Circle and other cowboys be called in. If the people involved cannot or will not pay up..call in the CAB and seize there assets, land, houses, cars, and anything else that they "own".
I also suggest that TDs, Ministers, Ex TDs and Ex ministers be allowed only 1 pension each..same as ordinary people.
They should not be able to draw their single pension until they are 65 years old...same as ordinary people.
They should NOT be allowed state cars but should have to use their own cars and pay for their own parking or use bus/luas/dart/bike/feet...same as ordinary people.
There are other, smaller changes they could make too. But above are the main ones that should be done straight away.
wexlady41: Well he has already raised taxes and cut wages..and it's making matters worse.
I suggest the BILLIONS of Euro in loans that were given to the Golden Circle and other cowboys be called in. If the people involved cannot or will not pay up..call in the CAB and seize there assets, land, houses, cars, and anything else that they "own".
I also suggest that TDs, Ministers, Ex TDs and Ex ministers be allowed only 1 pension each..same as ordinary people.
They should not be able to draw their single pension until they are 65 years old...same as ordinary people.
They should NOT be allowed state cars but should have to use their own cars and pay for their own parking or use bus/luas/dart/bike/feet...same as ordinary people.
There are other, smaller changes they could make too. But above are the main ones that should be done straight away.
I suggest the BILLIONS of Euro in loans that were given to the Golden Circle and other cowboys be called in. If the people involved cannot or will not pay up..call in the CAB and seize there assets, land, houses, cars, and anything else that they "own".
I also suggest that TDs, Ministers, Ex TDs and Ex ministers be allowed only 1 pension each..same as ordinary people.
They should not be able to draw their single pension until they are 65 years old...same as ordinary people.
They should NOT be allowed state cars but should have to use their own cars and pay for their own parking or use bus/luas/dart/bike/feet...same as ordinary people.
There are other, smaller changes they could make too. But above are the main ones that should be done straight away.
Woman after my own heart!
Completely agree.
Yes I totally agree and to substantiate it... Fianna Fail and their alliegence to the property developers / contractors / banks / boys clubs and giving tax breaks for all sorts of ganster activiy and now to recoup their losses they are triple taxing the people that never gained from the boom.
For approx 3 yrs Business Groups were predicting this recession but the government choose to ignore advise based on fact... following trends and following figures. they further lined their pockets and those of the bankers and their members.
They have failed in the leadership and their capitalisation form of government...
For approx 3 yrs Business Groups were predicting this recession but the government choose to ignore advise based on fact... following trends and following figures. they further lined their pockets and those of the bankers and their members.
They have failed in the leadership and their capitalisation form of government...
wexlady41: Well he has already raised taxes and cut wages..and it's making matters worse.
I suggest the BILLIONS of Euro in loans that were given to the Golden Circle and other cowboys be called in. If the people involved cannot or will not pay up..call in the CAB and seize there assets, land, houses, cars, and anything else that they "own".
I also suggest that TDs, Ministers, Ex TDs and Ex ministers be allowed only 1 pension each..same as ordinary people.
They should not be able to draw their single pension until they are 65 years old...same as ordinary people.
They should NOT be allowed state cars but should have to use their own cars and pay for their own parking or use bus/luas/dart/bike/feet...same as ordinary people.
There are other, smaller changes they could make too. But above are the main ones that should be done straight away.
I suggest the BILLIONS of Euro in loans that were given to the Golden Circle and other cowboys be called in. If the people involved cannot or will not pay up..call in the CAB and seize there assets, land, houses, cars, and anything else that they "own".
I also suggest that TDs, Ministers, Ex TDs and Ex ministers be allowed only 1 pension each..same as ordinary people.
They should not be able to draw their single pension until they are 65 years old...same as ordinary people.
They should NOT be allowed state cars but should have to use their own cars and pay for their own parking or use bus/luas/dart/bike/feet...same as ordinary people.
There are other, smaller changes they could make too. But above are the main ones that should be done straight away.
For bank loans to be called in, the lenders need to call them in off defaulted customers. That is not a matter for the Government, even in their position as shareholders in some of our banks; it is a private company's concern at the end of the day. Call in the loans and if they are not paid, who makes up the excess or shall we wait till they can meet their liabilities? And what criminals are involved in order for CAB to be brought in? This saves tax payers nil and if anything it actually puts taxpayers money at risk if additional capital is needed or the State Guarantee needs to be called in and encashed.
I agree with you on ministerial pensions being paid per person as opposed to one per held office but ordinary people are not allowed just one pension each; you can have more than one but just one State pension. I do feel that there are some ministerial office holders that do need a higher level of protection after they leave office (Such as ex taoisigh) given the nature of the office held and sensitive information they are privy to but it should be limited to certain cabinet positions.
Lastly, given that the high public sector bills for both Welfare and State wages represents about 2/3 of the monies out by the State, either taxes have to be raised to cover this and other bills or these need to be cut, or a combination of both. No State sector job has had actual wage cuts as of yet (In spite of what way you dress up a minor wage levy for a decent defined pension that doesn't even cover what you get out of it) but if that is what it takes to lessen the problems we have, so be it.
Losty: For bank loans to be called in, the lenders need to call them in off defaulted customers. That is not a matter for the Government, even in their position as shareholders in some of our banks; it is a private company's concern at the end of the day. Call in the loans and if they are not paid, who makes up the excess or shall we wait till they can meet their liabilities? And what criminals are involved in order for CAB to be brought in? This saves tax payers nil and if anything it actually puts taxpayers money at risk if additional capital is needed or the State Guarantee needs to be called in and encashed.
I agree with you on ministerial pensions being paid per person as opposed to one per held office but ordinary people are not allowed just one pension each; you can have more than one but just one State pension. I do feel that there are some ministerial office holders that do need a higher level of protection after they leave office (Such as ex taoisigh) given the nature of the office held and sensitive information they are privy to but it should be limited to certain cabinet positions.
Lastly, given that the high public sector bills for both Welfare and State wages represents about 2/3 of the monies out by the State, either taxes have to be raised to cover this and other bills or these need to be cut, or a combination of both. No State sector job has had actual wage cuts as of yet (In spite of what way you dress up a minor wage levy for a decent defined pension that doesn't even cover what you get out of it) but if that is what it takes to lessen the problems we have, so be it.
I agree with you on ministerial pensions being paid per person as opposed to one per held office but ordinary people are not allowed just one pension each; you can have more than one but just one State pension. I do feel that there are some ministerial office holders that do need a higher level of protection after they leave office (Such as ex taoisigh) given the nature of the office held and sensitive information they are privy to but it should be limited to certain cabinet positions.
Lastly, given that the high public sector bills for both Welfare and State wages represents about 2/3 of the monies out by the State, either taxes have to be raised to cover this and other bills or these need to be cut, or a combination of both. No State sector job has had actual wage cuts as of yet (In spite of what way you dress up a minor wage levy for a decent defined pension that doesn't even cover what you get out of it) but if that is what it takes to lessen the problems we have, so be it.
Are you one of the people who believes biffo when he tells you lies.
ALL public service workers have had a paycut!!! Including Temps who will never get a civil/public service pension. The paycut that is called a pension levy is absolutely nothing to do with pensions. NOTHING!!!! Civil and public servants already pay into their pension..as well as paying PRSI for absolutely no reason. They have no choice in that. They will not get a better pension because they pay the levy! It will make no difference to their pension at all.
Yet the public are being led to believe that Civil and Public servants get some sort of wonderful huge FREE pension and that this levy is supposed to be a contribution...it's not. It's a paycut!!! Pure and simple. I really cannot understand why people won't see this. But then again I suppose everyone likes a scapegoat!
Other people pay into pension schemes too and get much much better pensions at the end of it than Civil and Public Servants get...And they are also entitled to a state pension. Civil and Public servants are not!
The only people in this country who will not get a pension are those who die before they are 65. Every single person in this country is entitled to a pension. People who have never worked a day in their lives will get a state pension that is €10 less than someone who has worked for 40+ years.
So Losty pick someone else to pick on!!
Well i personally think Brian Cowen is 1 of the best taoiseachs we have ever had, a lesser man would have buckled under the pressure he dealt with over the last few months,
Give him credit 4 1 thing hes thick skinned and remains determined to get the country back on track
Give him credit 4 1 thing hes thick skinned and remains determined to get the country back on track
When state sector wages are compared with those in the private sector based on experience/qualifications the state sector wages were and are lower... Yes I agree in sharing the burden but dont agree to be singled out as the scapegoat and only way of accruing back capital due to mis-management by the government.
Bellysgonnagetya: Well i personally think Brian Cowen is 1 of the best taoiseachs we have ever had, a lesser man would have buckled under the pressure he dealt with over the last few months,
Give him credit 4 1 thing hes thick skinned and remains determined to get the country back on track
Give him credit 4 1 thing hes thick skinned and remains determined to get the country back on track
Brian Cowan was the minister for finance, very fitting that he's now sorting out his own mess!
wexlady41: Are you one of the people who believes biffo when he tells you lies.
ALL public service workers have had a paycut!!! Including Temps who will never get a civil/public service pension. The paycut that is called a pension levy is absolutely nothing to do with pensions. NOTHING!!!! Civil and public servants already pay into their pension..as well as paying PRSI for absolutely no reason. They have no choice in that. They will not get a better pension because they pay the levy! It will make no difference to their pension at all.
Yet the public are being led to believe that Civil and Public servants get some sort of wonderful huge FREE pension and that this levy is supposed to be a contribution...it's not. It's a paycut!!! Pure and simple. I really cannot understand why people won't see this. But then again I suppose everyone likes a scapegoat!
Other people pay into pension schemes too and get much much better pensions at the end of it than Civil and Public Servants get...And they are also entitled to a state pension. Civil and Public servants are not!
The only people in this country who will not get a pension are those who die before they are 65. Every single person in this country is entitled to a pension. People who have never worked a day in their lives will get a state pension that is €10 less than someone who has worked for 40+ years.
So Losty pick someone else to pick on!!
ALL public service workers have had a paycut!!! Including Temps who will never get a civil/public service pension. The paycut that is called a pension levy is absolutely nothing to do with pensions. NOTHING!!!! Civil and public servants already pay into their pension..as well as paying PRSI for absolutely no reason. They have no choice in that. They will not get a better pension because they pay the levy! It will make no difference to their pension at all.
Yet the public are being led to believe that Civil and Public servants get some sort of wonderful huge FREE pension and that this levy is supposed to be a contribution...it's not. It's a paycut!!! Pure and simple. I really cannot understand why people won't see this. But then again I suppose everyone likes a scapegoat!
Other people pay into pension schemes too and get much much better pensions at the end of it than Civil and Public Servants get...And they are also entitled to a state pension. Civil and Public servants are not!
The only people in this country who will not get a pension are those who die before they are 65. Every single person in this country is entitled to a pension. People who have never worked a day in their lives will get a state pension that is €10 less than someone who has worked for 40+ years.
So Losty pick someone else to pick on!!
I don't think Losty was picking on anyone actually, just stating the facts...
Poor public sector employees are actually having to do some work for once in their lives, my heart bleeds for them....
Bellysgonnagetya: Well i personally think Brian Cowen is 1 of the best taoiseachs we have ever had, a lesser man would have buckled under the pressure he dealt with over the last few months,
Give him credit 4 1 thing hes thick skinned and remains determined to get the country back on track
Give him credit 4 1 thing hes thick skinned and remains determined to get the country back on track
Losty: For bank loans to be called in, the lenders need to call them in off defaulted customers. That is not a matter for the Government, even in their position as shareholders in some of our banks; it is a private company's concern at the end of the day. Call in the loans and if they are not paid, who makes up the excess or shall we wait till they can meet their liabilities? And what criminals are involved in order for CAB to be brought in? This saves tax payers nil and if anything it actually puts taxpayers money at risk if additional capital is needed or the State Guarantee needs to be called in and encashed.
I agree with you on ministerial pensions being paid per person as opposed to one per held office but ordinary people are not allowed just one pension each; you can have more than one but just one State pension. I do feel that there are some ministerial office holders that do need a higher level of protection after they leave office (Such as ex taoisigh) given the nature of the office held and sensitive information they are privy to but it should be limited to certain cabinet positions.
Lastly, given that the high public sector bills for both Welfare and State wages represents about 2/3 of the monies out by the State, either taxes have to be raised to cover this and other bills or these need to be cut, or a combination of both. No State sector job has had actual wage cuts as of yet (In spite of what way you dress up a minor wage levy for a decent defined pension that doesn't even cover what you get out of it) but if that is what it takes to lessen the problems we have, so be it.
I agree with you on ministerial pensions being paid per person as opposed to one per held office but ordinary people are not allowed just one pension each; you can have more than one but just one State pension. I do feel that there are some ministerial office holders that do need a higher level of protection after they leave office (Such as ex taoisigh) given the nature of the office held and sensitive information they are privy to but it should be limited to certain cabinet positions.
Lastly, given that the high public sector bills for both Welfare and State wages represents about 2/3 of the monies out by the State, either taxes have to be raised to cover this and other bills or these need to be cut, or a combination of both. No State sector job has had actual wage cuts as of yet (In spite of what way you dress up a minor wage levy for a decent defined pension that doesn't even cover what you get out of it) but if that is what it takes to lessen the problems we have, so be it.
Well said
Members of the public sector would have us all believe that they have it tough at the moment, get a life ffs - try redundancy on for size and see how you all like it
shakademus1: I don't think Losty was picking on anyone actually, just stating the facts...
Poor public sector employees are actually having to do some work for once in their lives, my heart bleeds for them....
You obviously don't know many of them do you? I suggest you find a few of these "wasters" and tell them that to their faces!Poor public sector employees are actually having to do some work for once in their lives, my heart bleeds for them....
lkennylady: When state sector wages are compared with those in the private sector based on experience/qualifications the state sector wages were and are lower... Yes I agree in sharing the burden but dont agree to be singled out as the scapegoat and only way of accruing back capital due to mis-management by the government.
Exactly.
Sharing the burden is one thing. Shouldering the burden is a different matter altogether.
And the lies that the public are being told by our "leaders"!!!!! Unbelievable!!!
I dont know too much about politics and the like but I have to say im with wexlady on this
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Hes getting attacked from all angles, I feel sorry for him and wouldnt wish his job on my worst enemy