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Oct 6, 2009 8:50 PM CST What Recession?
HealthyLiving
HealthyLivingHealthyLivingSomewhere In, Tennessee USA527 Threads 2 Polls 4,775 Posts
What Recession? 400 Richest Americans Lined Their Pockets with $30 Billion


By Les Leopold
AlterNet, Oct 1, 2009
Straight to the Source


It's great to know that during the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression, the wealth of the 400 richest Americans, according to Forbes, actually increased by $30 billion. Well golly, that's only a 2 percent increase, much less than the double digit returns the wealthy had grown accustomed to. But a 2 percent increase is a whole lot more than losing 40 percent of your 401k. And $30 billion is enough to provide 500,000 school teacher jobs at $60k per year.

Collectively, those 400 have $1.57 trillion in wealth. It's hard to get your mind around a number like that. The way I do it is to imagine that we were still living during the great radical Eisenhower era of the 1950s when marginal income tax rates hit 91 percent. Taxes were high back in the 1950s because people understood that constraining wild extremes of wealth would make our country stronger and prevent another depression. (Well, what did those old fogies know?)

Had we kept those high progressive taxes in place, instead of removing them, especially during the Reagan era, the Forbes 400 might each be worth "only" $100 million instead of $3.9 billion each. So let's imagine that the rest of their wealth, about $1.53 trillion, were available for the public good.

What does $1.53 trillion buy?

It's more than enough to insure the uninsured for the next twenty years or more.

It's more than enough to create a Manhattan Project to solve global warming by developing renewable energy and a green, sustainable manufacturing sector.

And here's my favorite: It's more than enough to endow every public college and university in the country so that all of our children could gain access to higher education for free, forever!

Instead, we embarked on a grand experiment to see what would happen if we deregulated finance and changed the tax code so that millionaires could turn into billionaires. And even after that experiment failed in the most spectacular way, our system seems trapped into staying on the same deregulated path.

Instead of free higher education, health care and a sustainable economy, we got a fantasy finance boom and bust on Wall Street which crashed the real economy. We have our 400 billionaires, and we have 29 million unemployed and underemployed Americans. We have an infrastructure in shambles. We have an environment in crisis. We have a health care system that would make Rube Goldberg proud. And we have the worst income distribution since 1929.
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Oct 7, 2009 4:04 PM CST What Recession?
HealthyLiving
HealthyLivingHealthyLivingSomewhere In, Tennessee USA527 Threads 2 Polls 4,775 Posts
No one cares to comment about this???dunno
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Oct 7, 2009 4:08 PM CST What Recession?
mnowsa
mnowsamnowsaRajshahi, Rajshahi Division Bangladesh145 Threads 3 Polls 7,536 Posts
HealthyLiving: No one cares to comment about this???


you are absolutely right about the stuffs here dearhandshake
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Oct 7, 2009 4:09 PM CST What Recession?
LovelySerene
LovelySereneLovelySereneKansas City, Kansas USA15 Threads 1 Polls 286 Posts
I hate 'some' rich people mumbling
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Oct 7, 2009 4:10 PM CST What Recession?
RobertC2
RobertC2RobertC2Xaghra, Gozo, Gozo Malta91 Threads 8 Polls 8,344 Posts
HealthyLiving: No one cares to comment about this???


I'm not a billionaire....... so feel unable to comment!
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Oct 7, 2009 4:13 PM CST What Recession?
RayfromUSA
RayfromUSARayfromUSAvienne, Rhone-Alpes France86 Threads 29 Polls 6,611 Posts
HealthyLiving: No one cares to comment about this???


I care HL, but I just got to this thread and I'm still trying to digest your post.
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Oct 7, 2009 4:14 PM CST What Recession?
mnowsa
mnowsamnowsaRajshahi, Rajshahi Division Bangladesh145 Threads 3 Polls 7,536 Posts
LovelySerene: I hate 'some' rich people


rich people will always be hated as long as they don't pay their "due" share to the less privileged and as long as they think that "they have earned it". these rich MOFO(excuse my language) never understand that they have earned their "riches" because some people are not as greedy as themcool
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Oct 7, 2009 4:15 PM CST What Recession?
Scubadiva
ScubadivaScubadivaNew Jersey, USA106 Threads 11 Polls 2,689 Posts
Not sure what to comment about. This is what the people voted for, this is what they got. Privatization of governmental functions, hands-off policies... did anyone expect anything else? dunno
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Oct 7, 2009 4:17 PM CST What Recession?
RayfromUSA
RayfromUSARayfromUSAvienne, Rhone-Alpes France86 Threads 29 Polls 6,611 Posts
It's kinda useless to talk about what could have been done with the riches of the super rich.

It is the poor and the middle class who have always paid for everything and I'm sure that will continue right up till Jesus comes back.

They have their reward.
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Oct 7, 2009 4:20 PM CST What Recession?
mnowsa
mnowsamnowsaRajshahi, Rajshahi Division Bangladesh145 Threads 3 Polls 7,536 Posts
Scubadiva: Not sure what to comment about. This is what the people voted for, this is what they got. Privatization of governmental functions, hands-off policies... did anyone expect anything else?


ya..i expected totally something else. i expected that you would show up here in a gorgeous dress with lipstic on your lipsdunno
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Oct 8, 2009 3:49 AM CST What Recession?
SonofDavid
SonofDavidSonofDavidLebanon, Pennsylvania USA2 Threads 31 Posts
In response to: What Recession? 400 Richest Americans Lined Their Pockets with $30 BillionBy Les Leopold
AlterNet, Oct 1, 2009
Straight to the Source It's great to know that during the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression, the wealth of the 400 richest Americans, according to Forbes, actually increased by $30 billion. Well golly, that's only a 2 percent increase, much less than the double digit returns the wealthy had grown accustomed to. But a 2 percent increase is a whole lot more than losing 40 percent of your 401k. And $30 billion is enough to provide 500,000 school teacher jobs at $60k per year.

Collectively, those 400 have $1.57 trillion in wealth. It's hard to get your mind around a number like that. The way I do it is to imagine that we were still living during the great radical Eisenhower era of the 1950s when marginal income tax rates hit 91 percent. Taxes were high back in the 1950s because people understood that constraining wild extremes of wealth would make our country stronger and prevent another depression. (Well, what did those old fogies know?)

Had we kept those high progressive taxes in place, instead of removing them, especially during the Reagan era, the Forbes 400 might each be worth "only" $100 million instead of $3.9 billion each. So let's imagine that the rest of their wealth, about $1.53 trillion, were available for the public good.

What does $1.53 trillion buy?

It's more than enough to insure the uninsured for the next twenty years or more.

It's more than enough to create a Manhattan Project to solve global warming by developing renewable energy and a green, sustainable manufacturing sector.

And here's my favorite: It's more than enough to endow every public college and university in the country so that all of our children could gain access to higher education for free, forever!

Instead, we embarked on a grand experiment to see what would happen if we deregulated finance and changed the tax code so that millionaires could turn into billionaires. And even after that experiment failed in the most spectacular way, our system seems trapped into staying on the same deregulated path.

Instead of free higher education, health care and a sustainable economy, we got a fantasy finance boom and bust on Wall Street which crashed the real economy. We have our 400 billionaires, and we have 29 million unemployed and underemployed Americans. We have an infrastructure in shambles. We have an environment in crisis. We have a health care system that would make Rube Goldberg proud. And we have the worst income distribution since 1929.


HL,

I am not sure I understand the point here. Is Mr. Leopold suggesting that we steal from the rich and give to the poor? It seems to me that was tried in Sherwood Forest. Did it work?

cool
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Oct 8, 2009 6:15 AM CST What Recession?
curiousgeorge2
curiousgeorge2curiousgeorge2magnolia, Mississippi USA11 Threads 5 Polls 488 Posts
hey relax I was sleeping ! sorry some of us are beat UP pretty badly and have to rest alot !

OK first of NICE article,...... professor

I do agree, and its been said many times that there are some really Smart people rolling the dice and the rest of us just dance to the music. YES,...... the RICH get more and we get LESS !

UMMMM,.......... That's why they are Rich in the 1st place,......

But its NOT like this is new to us all, thats why we encourage OUR children to pay attention in History Class !

anyway, they can take your money,mine everyones, but your still Cute !

cheers
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Oct 8, 2009 10:16 AM CST What Recession?
HealthyLiving
HealthyLivingHealthyLivingSomewhere In, Tennessee USA527 Threads 2 Polls 4,775 Posts
SonofDavid: HL,

I am not sure I understand the point here. Is Mr. Leopold suggesting that we steal from the rich and give to the poor? It seems to me that was tried in Sherwood Forest. Did it work?



Perhaps there are several points of concern here?

One of interest to me is the Tax BREAKS which are being given to these extremely rich entities. You know, the Tax CUTS for them?

Taxes subsidize and fund government programs designed to help the poor and needy.

If we quit giving them the big tax cuts and take their tax dollars to put to good use for our underfunded programs, it could help so many!
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Oct 8, 2009 10:18 AM CST What Recession?
HealthyLiving
HealthyLivingHealthyLivingSomewhere In, Tennessee USA527 Threads 2 Polls 4,775 Posts
SonofDavid: HL,

I am not sure I understand the point here. Is Mr. Leopold suggesting that we steal from the rich and give to the poor? It seems to me that was tried in Sherwood Forest. Did it work?



By the way...

I always loved Robin Hood!laugh
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Oct 8, 2009 9:42 PM CST What Recession?
SonofDavid
SonofDavidSonofDavidLebanon, Pennsylvania USA2 Threads 31 Posts
I am all in favor of of rich folks helping poor folks. In fact that's what Jesus taught when he told the rich ruler to sell all he had and give to the poor. I don't think Jesus was a capitalist. But, I do not believe the government should become a collective robbing hood to accomplish that. If rich people want to be greedy and selfish, they have a right to be in this stupid capitalistic system. What rich people need are changed hearts through Christ.

cool
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Oct 9, 2009 4:29 AM CST What Recession?
calmheartseeks
calmheartseekscalmheartseeksSomewhere, California USA7 Threads 1 Polls 505 Posts
SonofDavid: I am all in favor of of rich folks helping poor folks. In fact that's what Jesus taught when he told the rich ruler to sell all he had and give to the poor. I don't think Jesus was a capitalist. But, I do not believe the government should become a collective robbing hood to accomplish that. If rich people want to be greedy and selfish, they have a right to be in this stupid capitalistic system. What rich people need are changed hearts through Christ.


Beautiful and true post.
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Oct 9, 2009 4:42 AM CST What Recession?
calmheartseeks
calmheartseekscalmheartseeksSomewhere, California USA7 Threads 1 Polls 505 Posts
You wouldn't if it was YOUR money he was robbing. frustrated

Problem is, it's not just the "rich" that are being fleeced. Many are struggling to pay bills while the tax man takes obscenely large chunks from their income to pay the guy who doesn't work while watching Oprah, who btw also wants them to pay for his health insurance (as he munches chedder cheese potato chips). The only ones who like this "helping" arrangement are people with very low income BECAUSE THEY DON'T WORK, pay little taxes (if any), and really believe we owe them a living. They even complain that they aren't "given" enough money.

All the others have to pay - the poor working force - out of their ever shrinking income.

Watch out, Robin's coming to your 'hood!

hole

HealthyLiving: By the way...

I always loved Robin Hood!
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Oct 9, 2009 7:18 PM CST What Recession?
HealthyLiving
HealthyLivingHealthyLivingSomewhere In, Tennessee USA527 Threads 2 Polls 4,775 Posts
calmheartseeks: You wouldn't if it was YOUR money he was robbing.

Problem is, it's not just the "rich" that are being fleeced. Many are struggling to pay bills while the tax man takes obscenely large chunks from their income to pay the guy who doesn't work while watching Oprah, who btw also wants them to pay for his health insurance (as he munches chedder cheese potato chips). The only ones who like this "helping" arrangement are people with very low income BECAUSE THEY DON'T WORK, pay little taxes (if any), and really believe we owe them a living. They even complain that they aren't "given" enough money.

All the others have to pay - the poor working force - out of their ever shrinking income.

Watch out, Robin's coming to your 'hood!



I have no money to be robbed, as I make what I need to get by on, then use the rest to help the poor in my community. I pay electric bills, water bills, give groceries and clothing to those less fortunate.

If everyone did this, the world would be a better place.

I am really surprised by your answer here!!!

As a Christian Nation in its beginning, this is why welfare was established in our government. It is the church's obligation to heal the sick, feed the hungry, clothe the naked, give the thirsty something to drink and take in the poor wandering stranger. Isaiah 58.

Heal the sick... Health Care!

The government took upon itself, the work of the church as our founding fathers thought this was the right thing to do in establishing a Godly Nation. "One Nation Under God, Indivisable, with Liberty and Justice for ALL".

How times have changed and the hearts of the American people along with the times!!!very mad

Don't you think that if the rich paid their fair share of taxes, the middle class even would benefit from it?

If times get very hard and the rich are nearby and not doing anything to help their neighbors, YES, I would steal from them and give it to the poor!!!

Got a problem with that???

Only God can deal with your heart. It's an issue of the heart and the selfishness therein.

If everything we own belongs to God and not ourselves, what is it to you what HE decides to do with what you have in your storehouse? It's HIS, he can do what HE wants to with it, if you would only LET GO!! Maybe if you gave some of it away, there would be room in your storehouse to contain the BIG Blessing He wants to GIVE to YOU!!!

teddybear angel
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Oct 9, 2009 9:00 PM CST What Recession?
RayfromUSA
RayfromUSARayfromUSAvienne, Rhone-Alpes France86 Threads 29 Polls 6,611 Posts
The poor have nothing to take.

The rich control things and won't allow what they have to be taken.

So that leaves the middle class to pay for everything.

Of course the poor are paying even more by their labor.

Any government that does manage to tax the rich is really just a new revolution taking over.

Soon a new untaxed rich class will develop.
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Oct 9, 2009 9:03 PM CST What Recession?
mnowsa
mnowsamnowsaRajshahi, Rajshahi Division Bangladesh145 Threads 3 Polls 7,536 Posts
RayfromUSA: The poor have nothing to take.

The rich control things and won't allow what they have to be taken.

So that leaves the middle class to pay for everything.

Of course the poor are paying even more by their labor.

Any government that does manage to tax the rich is really just a new revolution taking over.

Soon a new untaxed rich class will develop.


yea..screw the rich...i mean screw the rich single ladies..grin
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