I will add this to my post above...We are rapidly losing the world ; we can no longer write 'normal' history, because we no longer have a 'normal' society. Whether there can be history under twenty-first century electronic conditions, remains to be seen, but the only safe assumption is that it will bear little resemblance to post-Renaissance historical study, above all where individual motive is concerned. A study based on the written word cannot survive the marginalization of paper. We may be on the verge of a new prehistory, with the era of serious, intricate, intimate knowledge of the past merely a fortunate interlude. Electronic communication means no history. The fashion for open access means no history. The mass production of 'evidence', and its mass destruction on an equally industrialized scale, means no history. Unrecorded history means no history, or at least, as in pre-history, a history of material matters at the expence of thought. History is about primary sources. All secondary sources were primary sources once, even if the originals no longer survived. Indeed, a primary source is a secondary source which has yet to be interpreted and all primary sources are suspect; their destiny is to add to misunderstanding and lies, primarily by those with 'justifiable agendas' to be fulfilled... The search for hidden truths has led to a bias against print and against books especially of those not adhearing to a preconceived agenda. Print, meaning records are becoming the Sumerian archives of tomorrow; "it just can't be true! It's all myths!"
mahoo: u r a master of diverting a subject, there r some miss guided ppl in every religion, but the difference is Islam is based on a holy book tht is not corrupted and ppl can always take help from it if someone try to misguide other, unlike other religions where the religious gurus r far more valuable than scriptures for exemple how many Christian know bible? they only agar to see pope.
And you know Quran?
Than you must know that the religion of Islam which a majority of Arabs follow (not all of them mind you), has made the hostility between Jews and Arabs, who are basically people of the same roots, more profound.
You also must know that Quran contains contradictory instructions for Muslims regarding Jews, not unlike our CS friend Gary ... At one point it instructs Muslims to treat Jews as brothers and then at another point commands Muslims to attack Jews who refuse to convert to Islam.
The Quran also introduces a conflict which son of Abraham was truly the son of promise. The Hebrew Scriptures say it was Isaac. The Quran says it was Ishmael. The Quran teaches that it was Ishmael who Abraham almost sacrificed to the Lord, not Isaac (in contradiction to Genesis chapter 22). This debate over who was the son of promise contributes to the hostility today.
Than you must know that the religion of Islam which a majority of Arabs follow (not all of them mind you), has made the hostility between Jews and Arabs, who are basically people of the same roots, more profound.
You also must know that Quran contains contradictory instructions for Muslims regarding Jews, not unlike our CS friend Gary ... At one point it instructs Muslims to treat Jews as brothers and then at another point commands Muslims to attack Jews who refuse to convert to Islam.
The Quran also introduces a conflict which son of Abraham was truly the son of promise. The Hebrew Scriptures say it was Isaac. The Quran says it was Ishmael. The Quran teaches that it was Ishmael who Abraham almost sacrificed to the Lord, not Isaac (in contradiction to Genesis chapter 22). This debate over who was the son of promise contributes to the hostility today.
INSANITY
...or is it called organized religion P.S. freak, shoo...
SF tought me to say it...
Be careful when calling people by a descriptive adjective...You may be reported like Gary did to me ... of course, we can always argue that it is not a name, it's an adjective, besides is not written in capital letter
wonderworker: Ahtoh?Might that be Arthur? Any chance of Returning to the topic?
So you state Zionism is the military occupation of Palestine. So, what do you suggest? What do you want to do with the Jewish Population that is now settled in what is called Israel?
There are two sides to the story. The important to remember now, is not who historically owned the land...but what is the peaceful solution for them to live together. It doesn't matter anymore if it was right or wrong for the Israelis to settle there...because they are there now. You can't change this fact. So, we must look for the solution. Destroying Israeli, or making all the Jews leave is completely unrealistic. So, what do you suggest?
wonderworker. i,m going to ask you a question that is really being noisy. but i see you live in Tenn. i,m sure it is bible country. have you every told the people of Tenn what you said to start your post. if so. how did they react.
alexey8: So you state Zionism is the military occupation of Palestine. So, what do you suggest? What do you want to do with the Jewish Population that is now settled in what is called Israel?
There are two sides to the story. The important to remember now, is not who historically owned the land...but what is the peaceful solution for them to live together. It doesn't matter anymore if it was right or wrong for the Israelis to settle there...because they are there now. You can't change this fact. So, we must look for the solution. Destroying Israeli, or making all the Jews leave is completely unrealistic. So, what do you suggest?
I think you are correct. But the Forum was not based on a solution.only the question of history and fairplay. It would be a good thing to advance the Topic to possible solutions and a modern understanding of the problem based on practicality rather than superstition. Why don't you begin?
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History is about primary sources. All secondary sources were primary sources once, even if the originals no longer survived. Indeed, a primary source is a secondary source which has yet to be interpreted and all primary sources are suspect; their destiny is to add to misunderstanding and lies, primarily by those with 'justifiable agendas' to be fulfilled...
The search for hidden truths has led to a bias against print and against books especially of those not adhearing to a preconceived agenda. Print, meaning records are becoming the Sumerian archives of tomorrow; "it just can't be true! It's all myths!"