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ali110: good Question and a very good naswer form me.
Mr obama is president of US,cant he go anywhere? Yes he can Go.Should he go to every employee to manage/handle the Govt?No he should not.
So God is owner of every thing he has power to do anything.
Mr obama is president of US,cant he go anywhere? Yes he can Go.Should he go to every employee to manage/handle the Govt?No he should not.
So God is owner of every thing he has power to do anything.
Ali; I am sure you are a decent guy.
I am also fairly certain that English is probably not your first language; however, even in your first language, I do not think you can speak words that would convince me that you are correct - your logic is totally without reason. Sorry.
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Atheists in Foxholes
Atheists in foxholes, some say they are myths,
Creations of the mind who just don't exist.
Yet, they answered the call to defend, with great pride.
With reason their watchword, they bled and they died.
They took Saratoga from the British crown,
Secured America's freedom at the Battle of Yorktown.
From Sumter to Appomattox, fields flowed with their blood.
When the cannons grew silent, the flag proudly stood.
From the Marne to the Argonne, in trenches and tanks,
They defeated the Germans -- the whole world gave thanks.
They were bombed at Pearl Harbor, fought on to Berlin.
Many freethinking women served along with the men.
Still war keeps erupting -- Iraq, Bosnia, and Kosovo.
Where is the peace that eludes people so?
It is broken by tyrants who bear crosses and creeds,
That overshadow reason with hate and cruel deeds.
So atheists prevail until your work is complete.
Mothers mourn, children cry, and bigots plan your defeat.
By air, land, and sea, you answer freedom's call.
Without god or faith, you seek liberty for all.
Atheists in foxholes, some say they are myths,
Creations of the mind who just don't exist.
Yet, they answered the call to defend, with great pride.
With reason their watchword, they bled and they died.
They took Saratoga from the British crown,
Secured America's freedom at the Battle of Yorktown.
From Sumter to Appomattox, fields flowed with their blood.
When the cannons grew silent, the flag proudly stood.
From the Marne to the Argonne, in trenches and tanks,
They defeated the Germans -- the whole world gave thanks.
They were bombed at Pearl Harbor, fought on to Berlin.
Many freethinking women served along with the men.
Still war keeps erupting -- Iraq, Bosnia, and Kosovo.
Where is the peace that eludes people so?
It is broken by tyrants who bear crosses and creeds,
That overshadow reason with hate and cruel deeds.
So atheists prevail until your work is complete.
Mothers mourn, children cry, and bigots plan your defeat.
By air, land, and sea, you answer freedom's call.
Without god or faith, you seek liberty for all.
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ali110: I know Not only about ur given leaders but more than it.
God says in Quran that Islam is his favourite true religion and there is a order from God for all of us to blieve in islam now
God says in Quran that Islam is his favourite true religion and there is a order from God for all of us to blieve in islam now
Well, since god hasn't consulted anybody except mohammed, I guess we just have to take his word for it right? I'd be more ready to believe if god was inclined to inform me personally, after all quite a bit of years have passed since mohammed's days.
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Are you a Humanist?
Which of the following statements is closest to your point of view? (You can choose more than one answer to each question if you need to.)
1 Does God exist?
A) I am sure there is a God ruling over the universe.
B) It depends what you mean by God, but I think so.
C) I don't know.
D) There is no evidence that any god exists, so I'll assume that there isn't one.
2 When I die…
A) my soul will go to another place where I will be rewarded if I was good and punished if I was bad.
B) I will survive in some kind of afterlife.
C) that will be the end of me.
D) I will live on in people's memories or because of the work I have done or through my children.
3 How did the Universe begin?
A) God created it.
B) It was set up as an experiment by extremely intelligent aliens from another universe, who drop in every now and then to see how we' re doing.
C) I don't know.
D) The scientific explanations are the best ones available - no gods were involved.
4 The theory that life on Earth evolved gradually over billions of years is…
A) just a theory. My religion tells the true story.
B) likely to be true, but I think God had a part in it too.
C) probably true, because my Science teacher said it was true.
D) true - there is plenty of evidence from fossils showing that this is how it happened.
5 When I look at a beautiful view I think that …
A) it must have been designed by God.
B) it would be a nice place for a motorway.
C) this is what life is all about - I feel good.
D) we ought to do everything possible to protect this for future generations.
6 I can tell right from wrong by…
A) reading a holy book or listening to a religious leader.
B) I don' t really think about it much - people should just do as they like.
C) accepting what my parents and teachers say.
D) thinking hard about the probable consequences of actions and their effects on other people.
7 It's best to be honest because…
A) my religion tells me so.
B) it's usually against the law or the rules to be dishonest.
C) people respect you more if you' re trustworthy.
D) I'm happier and feel better about myself if I'm honest.
8 Other people matter and should be treated with respect because…
A) God created us all in his image.
B) they are useful to me.
C) they are people with feelings like mine.
D) we will all be happier if we treat each other well.
9 Animals should be treated …
A) with respect because they are part of God' s creation.
B) however we see fit - they don' t have souls and were created for us to use.
C) kindly because they are sweet and fluffy and nicer than people.
D) with respect because they can suffer too.
10 The most important thing in life is…
A) to have a good relationship with God.
B) to make lots of money.
C) to preserve the planet for future generations.
D) to increase the general happiness and welfare of humanity.
Interpreting your answers
This is a more or less serious set of questions designed to help you think about whether you are committed to a religious view of the world, and how this affects your moral beliefs. However, many people have a fairly mixed collection of beliefs, and few are completely consistent, so it is possible that none of the profiles below truly reflects your world view. But they do give an indication of what most humanists believe – and don’t believe.
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Which of the following statements is closest to your point of view? (You can choose more than one answer to each question if you need to.)
1 Does God exist?
A) I am sure there is a God ruling over the universe.
B) It depends what you mean by God, but I think so.
C) I don't know.
D) There is no evidence that any god exists, so I'll assume that there isn't one.
2 When I die…
A) my soul will go to another place where I will be rewarded if I was good and punished if I was bad.
B) I will survive in some kind of afterlife.
C) that will be the end of me.
D) I will live on in people's memories or because of the work I have done or through my children.
3 How did the Universe begin?
A) God created it.
B) It was set up as an experiment by extremely intelligent aliens from another universe, who drop in every now and then to see how we' re doing.
C) I don't know.
D) The scientific explanations are the best ones available - no gods were involved.
4 The theory that life on Earth evolved gradually over billions of years is…
A) just a theory. My religion tells the true story.
B) likely to be true, but I think God had a part in it too.
C) probably true, because my Science teacher said it was true.
D) true - there is plenty of evidence from fossils showing that this is how it happened.
5 When I look at a beautiful view I think that …
A) it must have been designed by God.
B) it would be a nice place for a motorway.
C) this is what life is all about - I feel good.
D) we ought to do everything possible to protect this for future generations.
6 I can tell right from wrong by…
A) reading a holy book or listening to a religious leader.
B) I don' t really think about it much - people should just do as they like.
C) accepting what my parents and teachers say.
D) thinking hard about the probable consequences of actions and their effects on other people.
7 It's best to be honest because…
A) my religion tells me so.
B) it's usually against the law or the rules to be dishonest.
C) people respect you more if you' re trustworthy.
D) I'm happier and feel better about myself if I'm honest.
8 Other people matter and should be treated with respect because…
A) God created us all in his image.
B) they are useful to me.
C) they are people with feelings like mine.
D) we will all be happier if we treat each other well.
9 Animals should be treated …
A) with respect because they are part of God' s creation.
B) however we see fit - they don' t have souls and were created for us to use.
C) kindly because they are sweet and fluffy and nicer than people.
D) with respect because they can suffer too.
10 The most important thing in life is…
A) to have a good relationship with God.
B) to make lots of money.
C) to preserve the planet for future generations.
D) to increase the general happiness and welfare of humanity.
Interpreting your answers
This is a more or less serious set of questions designed to help you think about whether you are committed to a religious view of the world, and how this affects your moral beliefs. However, many people have a fairly mixed collection of beliefs, and few are completely consistent, so it is possible that none of the profiles below truly reflects your world view. But they do give an indication of what most humanists believe – and don’t believe.
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All or mostly As: You definitely have a religious faith and Humanism is not for you, though you may agree with humanists on some issues, especially if you also collected a few Cs or Ds.
All or mostly Bs: You may have some religious beliefs, or you might still be exploring ideas and not yet made up your mind. Some of your choices are not very ethical – so you're unlikely to be a humanist!
All or mostly Cs: Your answers are fairly neutral, perhaps a bit dependent on authority or other people or pure emotion. Humanists try to think, and to think for themselves. You may be an agnostic or a humanist or vaguely religious, depending on what your other answers were.
All or mostly Ds: You are a humanist or very close to humanist thinking. Many people are, often without even knowing it! Humanists don't agree about everything, and you may have collected some other answers too, though if they include As and Bs you’re unlikely to be a humanist.
All or mostly Bs: You may have some religious beliefs, or you might still be exploring ideas and not yet made up your mind. Some of your choices are not very ethical – so you're unlikely to be a humanist!
All or mostly Cs: Your answers are fairly neutral, perhaps a bit dependent on authority or other people or pure emotion. Humanists try to think, and to think for themselves. You may be an agnostic or a humanist or vaguely religious, depending on what your other answers were.
All or mostly Ds: You are a humanist or very close to humanist thinking. Many people are, often without even knowing it! Humanists don't agree about everything, and you may have collected some other answers too, though if they include As and Bs you’re unlikely to be a humanist.
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trish123: Are you a Humanist?
Which of the following statements is closest to your point of view? (You can choose more than one answer to each question if you need to.)
1 Does God exist?
A) I am sure there is a God ruling over the universe.
B) It depends what you mean by God, but I think so.
C) I don't know.
D) There is no evidence that any god exists, so I'll assume that there isn't one.
2 When I die…
A) my soul will go to another place where I will be rewarded if I was good and punished if I was bad.
B) I will survive in some kind of afterlife.
C) that will be the end of me.
D) I will live on in people's memories or because of the work I have done or through my children.
3 How did the Universe begin?
A) God created it.
B) It was set up as an experiment by extremely intelligent aliens from another universe, who drop in every now and then to see how we' re doing.
C) I don't know.
D) The scientific explanations are the best ones available - no gods were involved.
4 The theory that life on Earth evolved gradually over billions of years is…
A) just a theory. My religion tells the true story.
B) likely to be true, but I think God had a part in it too.
C) probably true, because my Science teacher said it was true.
D) true - there is plenty of evidence from fossils showing that this is how it happened.
5 When I look at a beautiful view I think that …
A) it must have been designed by God.
B) it would be a nice place for a motorway.
C) this is what life is all about - I feel good.
D) we ought to do everything possible to protect this for future generations.
6 I can tell right from wrong by…
A) reading a holy book or listening to a religious leader.
B) I don' t really think about it much - people should just do as they like.
C) accepting what my parents and teachers say.
D) thinking hard about the probable consequences of actions and their effects on other people.
7 It's best to be honest because…
A) my religion tells me so.
B) it's usually against the law or the rules to be dishonest.
C) people respect you more if you' re trustworthy.
D) I'm happier and feel better about myself if I'm honest.
8 Other people matter and should be treated with respect because…
A) God created us all in his image.
B) they are useful to me.
C) they are people with feelings like mine.
D) we will all be happier if we treat each other well.
9 Animals should be treated …
A) with respect because they are part of God' s creation.
B) however we see fit - they don' t have souls and were created for us to use.
C) kindly because they are sweet and fluffy and nicer than people.
D) with respect because they can suffer too.
10 The most important thing in life is…
A) to have a good relationship with God.
B) to make lots of money.
C) to preserve the planet for future generations.
D) to increase the general happiness and welfare of humanity.Interpreting your answers
This is a more or less serious set of questions designed to help you think about whether you are committed to a religious view of the world, and how this affects your moral beliefs. However, many people have a fairly mixed collection of beliefs, and few are completely consistent, so it is possible that none of the profiles below truly reflects your world view. But they do give an indication of what most humanists believe – and don’t believe.
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Which of the following statements is closest to your point of view? (You can choose more than one answer to each question if you need to.)
1 Does God exist?
A) I am sure there is a God ruling over the universe.
B) It depends what you mean by God, but I think so.
C) I don't know.
D) There is no evidence that any god exists, so I'll assume that there isn't one.
2 When I die…
A) my soul will go to another place where I will be rewarded if I was good and punished if I was bad.
B) I will survive in some kind of afterlife.
C) that will be the end of me.
D) I will live on in people's memories or because of the work I have done or through my children.
3 How did the Universe begin?
A) God created it.
B) It was set up as an experiment by extremely intelligent aliens from another universe, who drop in every now and then to see how we' re doing.
C) I don't know.
D) The scientific explanations are the best ones available - no gods were involved.
4 The theory that life on Earth evolved gradually over billions of years is…
A) just a theory. My religion tells the true story.
B) likely to be true, but I think God had a part in it too.
C) probably true, because my Science teacher said it was true.
D) true - there is plenty of evidence from fossils showing that this is how it happened.
5 When I look at a beautiful view I think that …
A) it must have been designed by God.
B) it would be a nice place for a motorway.
C) this is what life is all about - I feel good.
D) we ought to do everything possible to protect this for future generations.
6 I can tell right from wrong by…
A) reading a holy book or listening to a religious leader.
B) I don' t really think about it much - people should just do as they like.
C) accepting what my parents and teachers say.
D) thinking hard about the probable consequences of actions and their effects on other people.
7 It's best to be honest because…
A) my religion tells me so.
B) it's usually against the law or the rules to be dishonest.
C) people respect you more if you' re trustworthy.
D) I'm happier and feel better about myself if I'm honest.
8 Other people matter and should be treated with respect because…
A) God created us all in his image.
B) they are useful to me.
C) they are people with feelings like mine.
D) we will all be happier if we treat each other well.
9 Animals should be treated …
A) with respect because they are part of God' s creation.
B) however we see fit - they don' t have souls and were created for us to use.
C) kindly because they are sweet and fluffy and nicer than people.
D) with respect because they can suffer too.
10 The most important thing in life is…
A) to have a good relationship with God.
B) to make lots of money.
C) to preserve the planet for future generations.
D) to increase the general happiness and welfare of humanity.Interpreting your answers
This is a more or less serious set of questions designed to help you think about whether you are committed to a religious view of the world, and how this affects your moral beliefs. However, many people have a fairly mixed collection of beliefs, and few are completely consistent, so it is possible that none of the profiles below truly reflects your world view. But they do give an indication of what most humanists believe – and don’t believe.
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I cant decide if this is an honest questionaire or if you are a compulsive atheistic maniac!!
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bay163: I cant decide if this is an honest questionaire or if you are a compulsive atheistic maniac!!
Thats easy, its the latter
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trish123: Thats easy, its the latter
but do please note, I didnt start the thread - i do however welcome each and every opportunity to respond
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wulfen: Well, since god hasn't consulted anybody except mohammed, I guess we just have to take his word for it right? I'd be more ready to believe if god was inclined to inform me personally, after all quite a bit of years have passed since mohammed's days.
My friend, God sent the Quran to tell us and it is available we have to read and know.many peoples are available to tell us and they are telling us(as i am telling here)so these are the messages sent to u by other peoples
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ali110: My friend, God sent the Quran to tell us and it is available we have to read and know.
many peoples are available to tell us and they are telling us(as i am telling here)so these are the messages sent to u by other peoples
many peoples are available to tell us and they are telling us(as i am telling here)so these are the messages sent to u by other peoples
The thing is, even if your god truly existed, islam holds no sort of attraction for me. Having to pray 5 times a day? Er..I think it's a prime contender with watching paint dry on my list of 'most boring stuff to do'.
Does this mean I have no moral code? No, I do have a moral code. Some of the values I hold dear to may be derived from a particular religion or religions, but if I choose to believe in them, it's because I want to, not because a priest or imam tells me I must.
Some of my beliefs may appear old fashioned and unpractical in today's politically correct world, but so what?
I do believe in upholding one's honour; being loyal to friends and family; respecting those who are WORTHY of respect; being strong and able to defend myself and my loved ones; not being afraid to state my opinions; and being capable of respecting another's good qualities even if he is my enemy.
Some of these values can be clearly attributed to various religions in some form or another, others are more closely linked with the code of chivalry and bushido (both of which are influenced by christianity and shinto buddhism, but there are earlier religions such as Mithras who was a proper 'God of War').
I guess this doesn't make me a humanist like some other atheists, but it keeps me 'on the right path' which is ultimately what religions are trying to achieve as well.
I have no trouble with other people believing in god, gods or goddesses, but what I dislike is when I have other people's beliefs shoved down my throat. Unfortunately both christianity and islam (in their various guises) are very much guilty of that in, both in the past and in today's world.
It is a very tragic thing that there are still people in today's age willing to die in order to go to heaven, and I do believe the world could have been much better off without these religions messing things up throughout humanity's history.
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ali110: good Question and a very good naswer form me.
Mr obama is president of US,cant he go anywhere? Yes he can Go.Should he go to every employee to manage/handle the Govt?No he should not.
So God is owner of every thing he has power to do anything.
Mr obama is president of US,cant he go anywhere? Yes he can Go.Should he go to every employee to manage/handle the Govt?No he should not.
So God is owner of every thing he has power to do anything.
Oh come on Ali, you know you dont have any proof of God - and if you do Id love to see it
so, word of god or word of messenger, which is it to be?
Oh dear, I see you've hidden your profile - I do hope it wasnt something I said.........
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trish123: Oh come on Ali, you know you dont have any proof of God - and if you do Id love to see it
so, word of god or word of messenger, which is it to be?
Oh dear, I see you've hidden your profile - I do hope it wasnt something I said.........
so, word of god or word of messenger, which is it to be?
Oh dear, I see you've hidden your profile - I do hope it wasnt something I said.........
I Dig the grave of all scientist and i have presented the bones of all these in the fron of u but u r still confused.trish, i showed you that what is in Quran ,can anybody claim about science before invention? It is not possible for anybody
the only thing in the world is God's Book it is telling us all about Universe,every thing of world.I gave u many proof
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wulfen: The thing is, even if your god truly existed, islam holds no sort of attraction for me. Having to pray 5 times a day? Er..I think it's a prime contender with watching paint dry on my list of 'most boring stuff to do'.
Does this mean I have no moral code? No, I do have a moral code. Some of the values I hold dear to may be derived from a particular religion or religions, but if I choose to believe in them, it's because I want to, not because a priest or imam tells me I must.
Some of my beliefs may appear old fashioned and unpractical in today's politically correct world, but so what?
I do believe in upholding one's honour; being loyal to friends and family; respecting those who are WORTHY of respect; being strong and able to defend myself and my loved ones; not being afraid to state my opinions; and being capable of respecting another's good qualities even if he is my enemy.
Some of these values can be clearly attributed to various religions in some form or another, others are more closely linked with the code of chivalry and bushido (both of which are influenced by christianity and shinto buddhism, but there are earlier religions such as Mithras who was a proper 'God of War').
I guess this doesn't make me a humanist like some other atheists, but it keeps me 'on the right path' which is ultimately what religions are trying to achieve as well.
I have no trouble with other people believing in god, gods or goddesses, but what I dislike is when I have other people's beliefs shoved down my throat. Unfortunately both christianity and islam (in their various guises) are very much guilty of that in, both in the past and in today's world.
It is a very tragic thing that there are still people in today's age willing to die in order to go to heaven, and I do believe the world could have been much better off without these religions messing things up throughout humanity's history.
First of all you i like to tell you that heaven is not only death ,we all have to die someday,But heaven belongs to Charcter if we have good charcter God will grant us heaven otherwise burning hell.Does this mean I have no moral code? No, I do have a moral code. Some of the values I hold dear to may be derived from a particular religion or religions, but if I choose to believe in them, it's because I want to, not because a priest or imam tells me I must.
Some of my beliefs may appear old fashioned and unpractical in today's politically correct world, but so what?
I do believe in upholding one's honour; being loyal to friends and family; respecting those who are WORTHY of respect; being strong and able to defend myself and my loved ones; not being afraid to state my opinions; and being capable of respecting another's good qualities even if he is my enemy.
Some of these values can be clearly attributed to various religions in some form or another, others are more closely linked with the code of chivalry and bushido (both of which are influenced by christianity and shinto buddhism, but there are earlier religions such as Mithras who was a proper 'God of War').
I guess this doesn't make me a humanist like some other atheists, but it keeps me 'on the right path' which is ultimately what religions are trying to achieve as well.
I have no trouble with other people believing in god, gods or goddesses, but what I dislike is when I have other people's beliefs shoved down my throat. Unfortunately both christianity and islam (in their various guises) are very much guilty of that in, both in the past and in today's world.
It is a very tragic thing that there are still people in today's age willing to die in order to go to heaven, and I do believe the world could have been much better off without these religions messing things up throughout humanity's history.
You just said pray 5 times but u dont know the benefits of Pray.
It is a best excercise and keep u neat,anyways i Will tell u latter the benefits of pray.
Islam says that dont hurt anybody even animal,islam doesnt say that kill the peoples and u will be in heaven,never
After jesus chirst humanity was dieng,the peoples were worshiping the idiols and they were in darkness ,god sent Muhmmad(p.b.u.h)to teach them and tell them that what is truth and how they should spend thier lives .
what is old fashion religion? there is no old or new fashion in religion islam is always perfect untill judgment day,islam is a best perfect way to go
I have post many verses of Quran which are describing the latest inventions of science.
what is moral? The previous athiest didnt have Moral? they were king and they were destroyed,God sent perdition upon them becoz they were nonblievers and they were claiming there they were god themselves.
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ali110: I Dig the grave of all scientist and i have presented the bones of all these in the fron of u but u r still confused.
trish, i showed you that what is in Quran ,can anybody claim about science before invention? It is not possible for anybody
the only thing in the world is God's Book it is telling us all about Universe,every thing of world.I gave u many proof
trish, i showed you that what is in Quran ,can anybody claim about science before invention? It is not possible for anybody
the only thing in the world is God's Book it is telling us all about Universe,every thing of world.I gave u many proof
If you had provided 'proof' we would have agreed by now
There is no proof either way - just many discrepancies in what we were taught as children - for instance, the following is just one scholars findings on one small part of the bible, there are many, many others.Mark was not by Mark!
To determine that, it is necessary to look very closely at how Luke and especially Matthew used Mark's Gospel. Time and time again, we see Matthew correcting Mark's blunders about Judaism. Clearly Matthew was a Jew and Mark, despite Papias' bold assertion, was not very close to the Jerusalem Church.
* Comparing Matthew 15:4 with Mark 7:10, Mark represents a more Gentile attitude in quoting the Old Testament as "Moses said" rather than "God said." Matthew, a Jew, would never have attributed the 10 commandments to Moses. It was God who said them, as all Jews will tell you. Naturally, there are many places in the first five books of the Bible which have 'And God said', but which are referred to by Jews as the Books of Moses, but the Ten Commandments are a different case from the rest of the Pentatuech and attributed directly to God.
* Mark 5:22: "One of the rulers of the synagogue." Diaspora synagogues may sometimes have had more than ruler, as at Pisidian Antioch (Acts 13:15), but Palestinian synagogues normally had only one. Matthew 9:18, drops this phrase.
* Mark 14:12: On the first day of unleavened bread when they sacrificed the Passover , confuses Nisan 15 with Nisan 14. Naturally, Matthew 26:17 drops the phrase "when they sacrificed the Passover". Was Mark a Jew who did not know about the Passover?
* Mark 14:13 says that the disciples were to be met by a man carrying a pitcher of water. Matthew 26:18 drops the idea that a Jewish man would do a woman's work.
* Mark 15:42, "When evening was already come, because it was Friday (paraskeue) that is, the day before the sabbath ..." . This means "either that Friday began with that sunset, and Jesus had died on Thursday; or else, the evangelist forgot [or did not know] that the Jewish day began at evening." Matthew 27:57-62 clarifies Mark's confusion over Jewish days. Interestingly, the NIV tries to translate the problem away by writing for Mark 15:42 'So as evening approached ", rather than "And when evening had come ", as the RSV has it.
* Mark 15:46 says that that same evening Joseph of Arimathea "bought a linen cloth." Matthew drops the idea of a Jew buying something on the Sabbath. No Jew could have made that mistake.
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* Mark 1:2 wrongly ascribes Malachi 3:1 to Isaiah. Matthew 3:3 corrects this
* In Mark 2:7 the teachers of the law complain that Jesus is forgiving sins and say 'Who can forgive sins but God alone?'. Jews did not think that. Matthew 9:3 drops the phrase. There is a Dead Sea Scroll called 'The Prayer of Nabonidus'(4Q242) , written and copied by Jews, where it is said by Nabonidus '... an exorcist pardoned my sins. He was a Jew...'.
Jews did believe that God could give authority to men to forgive sin.
* Mark 2:26 - Abiathar should be Ahimelech.Matthew 12:1-8 does not repeat the mistake. Incidentally, if Jesus was thinking of 1 Sam. 21:1-8 when he said that David and those who were with him were hungry, then , in his omniscience, he forgot that David was on the run alone and the story that David told Ahimelech was a falsehood - David was not on a mission from the king and he did not have an appointment with any young men.
* Mark 10:19 misquotes the Ten Commandments and inserts an extra commandment: "Do not defraud." Matthew 19:18-20 sticks to the orginal 10, plus the one that many Rabbis regarded as a summary of the commandments.
* Mark 15:34 has Jesus quoting Psalm 22:1 in Aramaic (Eloi). Had Jesus done this, bystanders could hardly have supposed that he was calling for Elijah. Jesus must have used Hebrew Eli, as at Matthew 27:46. The NIV tries to harmonize Matthew and Mark here by using Eloi in both places.
* In Mark 2:7 the teachers of the law complain that Jesus is forgiving sins and say 'Who can forgive sins but God alone?'. Jews did not think that. Matthew 9:3 drops the phrase. There is a Dead Sea Scroll called 'The Prayer of Nabonidus'(4Q242) , written and copied by Jews, where it is said by Nabonidus '... an exorcist pardoned my sins. He was a Jew...'.
Jews did believe that God could give authority to men to forgive sin.
* Mark 2:26 - Abiathar should be Ahimelech.Matthew 12:1-8 does not repeat the mistake. Incidentally, if Jesus was thinking of 1 Sam. 21:1-8 when he said that David and those who were with him were hungry, then , in his omniscience, he forgot that David was on the run alone and the story that David told Ahimelech was a falsehood - David was not on a mission from the king and he did not have an appointment with any young men.
* Mark 10:19 misquotes the Ten Commandments and inserts an extra commandment: "Do not defraud." Matthew 19:18-20 sticks to the orginal 10, plus the one that many Rabbis regarded as a summary of the commandments.
* Mark 15:34 has Jesus quoting Psalm 22:1 in Aramaic (Eloi). Had Jesus done this, bystanders could hardly have supposed that he was calling for Elijah. Jesus must have used Hebrew Eli, as at Matthew 27:46. The NIV tries to harmonize Matthew and Mark here by using Eloi in both places.
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trish123: * Mark 1:2 wrongly ascribes Malachi 3:1 to Isaiah. Matthew 3:3 corrects this
* In Mark 2:7 the teachers of the law complain that Jesus is forgiving sins and say 'Who can forgive sins but God alone?'. Jews did not think that. Matthew 9:3 drops the phrase. There is a Dead Sea Scroll called 'The Prayer of Nabonidus'(4Q242) , written and copied by Jews, where it is said by Nabonidus '... an exorcist pardoned my sins. He was a Jew...'.
Jews did believe that God could give authority to men to forgive sin.
* Mark 2:26 - Abiathar should be Ahimelech.Matthew 12:1-8 does not repeat the mistake. Incidentally, if Jesus was thinking of 1 Sam. 21:1-8 when he said that David and those who were with him were hungry, then , in his omniscience, he forgot that David was on the run alone and the story that David told Ahimelech was a falsehood - David was not on a mission from the king and he did not have an appointment with any young men.
* Mark 10:19 misquotes the Ten Commandments and inserts an extra commandment: "Do not defraud." Matthew 19:18-20 sticks to the orginal 10, plus the one that many Rabbis regarded as a summary of the commandments.
* Mark 15:34 has Jesus quoting Psalm 22:1 in Aramaic (Eloi). Had Jesus done this, bystanders could hardly have supposed that he was calling for Elijah. Jesus must have used Hebrew Eli, as at Matthew 27:46. The NIV tries to harmonize Matthew and Mark here by using Eloi in both places.
take a look on quran* In Mark 2:7 the teachers of the law complain that Jesus is forgiving sins and say 'Who can forgive sins but God alone?'. Jews did not think that. Matthew 9:3 drops the phrase. There is a Dead Sea Scroll called 'The Prayer of Nabonidus'(4Q242) , written and copied by Jews, where it is said by Nabonidus '... an exorcist pardoned my sins. He was a Jew...'.
Jews did believe that God could give authority to men to forgive sin.
* Mark 2:26 - Abiathar should be Ahimelech.Matthew 12:1-8 does not repeat the mistake. Incidentally, if Jesus was thinking of 1 Sam. 21:1-8 when he said that David and those who were with him were hungry, then , in his omniscience, he forgot that David was on the run alone and the story that David told Ahimelech was a falsehood - David was not on a mission from the king and he did not have an appointment with any young men.
* Mark 10:19 misquotes the Ten Commandments and inserts an extra commandment: "Do not defraud." Matthew 19:18-20 sticks to the orginal 10, plus the one that many Rabbis regarded as a summary of the commandments.
* Mark 15:34 has Jesus quoting Psalm 22:1 in Aramaic (Eloi). Had Jesus done this, bystanders could hardly have supposed that he was calling for Elijah. Jesus must have used Hebrew Eli, as at Matthew 27:46. The NIV tries to harmonize Matthew and Mark here by using Eloi in both places.
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ali110: I Dig the grave of all scientist and i have presented the bones of all these in the fron of u but u r still confused.
trish, i showed you that what is in Quran ,can anybody claim about science before invention? It is not possible for anybody
the only thing in the world is God's Book it is telling us all about Universe,every thing of world.I gave u many proof
trish, i showed you that what is in Quran ,can anybody claim about science before invention? It is not possible for anybody
the only thing in the world is God's Book it is telling us all about Universe,every thing of world.I gave u many proof
me confused - it was only a matter of months ago you proudly asserted you had no need for books or reading - such low levels of critical thinking can get one labelled as a zealot you know
presented in front of me indeed - you are a liar Ali !
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trish123: me confused - it was only a matter of months ago you proudly asserted you had no need for books or reading - such low levels of critical thinking can get one labelled as a zealot you know
presented in front of me indeed - you are a liar Ali !
I suggested u to read QURAN i am familair already.....sweet heartpresented in front of me indeed - you are a liar Ali !
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ali110: take a look on quran
Ali, are you getting paid for today's crusade ?
If so, do you consider that as proof of the existance of your God ? .....
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Me too mate.