What would you change? (34)

Dec 26, 2009 8:10 AM CST What would you change?
Dutchindublin2
Dutchindublin2Dutchindublin2Oldenzaal, Overijssel Netherlands2 Threads 85 Posts
Ok, you find yourself in control of Ireland... This is your chance to make Ireland the greatest country in the World, what do you do, what changes do you make?
Dec 26, 2009 8:18 AM CST What would you change?
Keeneland
KeenelandKeenelandDublin, Ireland19 Threads 3 Polls 1,993 Posts
Dutchindublin2: Ok, you find yourself in control of Ireland... This is your chance to make Ireland the greatest country in the World, what do you do, what changes do you make?


Nationalise Banks

Sack all the boards.

Leave the EU.

Bring back the Punt and devalue it so we can compete.

Start building infastructure and look at Nuclear power.

Have wage caps for all Bank/ semi state and state companies.

Scrap NAMA.

Let developers go to the wall.

Speed up innigration system so people who can stay get to stay and people who need to be deported are sent home ASAP.

House what homeless we can in the thousands of empty houses in Ireland.

Restructures all the mortgage of people in trouble.

Legalise prostitustion.

Tax Tobacco, Horse Breeding, second houses and increase DIRT Tax.

Increase PAYE by 2% on salaries between 30 and 50k and 4% on over 50K.

Bring carers allowenece/ social welfare/ child benefit/ medical card back to pre budget levels.

Scvrap car scrappage scheme.

Politicialns need receipts for expenses and they earn a capped wage and get a performance bonus. If they country does not perform they get no bonus.

Just to start.
Dec 26, 2009 8:22 AM CST What would you change?
Dutchindublin2
Dutchindublin2Dutchindublin2Oldenzaal, Overijssel Netherlands2 Threads 85 Posts
Ok, I'll start... I'd invest heavily in IT infrastructure. I'd lay some serious cable between the USA, UK and EU making Ireland the #1 Internet hub between the US and the EU. I'd build serious data wharehouses giving major tax credits to IT businesses. I'd have the biggest cities completely glass-fibred and invest heavily in technology education.
Dec 26, 2009 8:25 AM CST What would you change?
sukatai
sukataisukataiTipperary, Ireland20 Threads 2 Polls 678 Posts
Keeneland: Nationalise Banks

Sack all the boards.

Leave the EU.

Bring back the Punt and devalue it so we can compete.

Start building infastructure and look at Nuclear power.

Have wage caps for all Bank/ semi state and state companies.

Scrap NAMA.

Let developers go to the wall.

Speed up innigration system so people who can stay get to stay and people who need to be deported are sent home ASAP.

House what homeless we can in the thousands of empty houses in Ireland.

Restructures all the mortgage of people in trouble.

Legalise prostitustion.

Tax Tobacco, Horse Breeding, second houses and increase DIRT Tax.

Increase PAYE by 2% on salaries between 30 and 50k and 4% on over 50K.

Bring carers allowenece/ social welfare/ child benefit/ medical card back to pre budget levels.

Scvrap car scrappage scheme.

Politicialns need receipts for expenses and they earn a capped wage and get a performance bonus. If they country does not perform they get no bonus.

Just to start.



Fair play to ya,
and although it is not what we can do, it is our born right to select a government that will give us all the above mentioned and more, starting by letting them gain our trust again, and if they cant do that by next election then let them move aside and give others a crack at what we select as a country, not as they intise us to think is good for us.
Dec 26, 2009 8:30 AM CST What would you change?
Dutchindublin2
Dutchindublin2Dutchindublin2Oldenzaal, Overijssel Netherlands2 Threads 85 Posts
Keeneland, tganks for your answer! It's very interesting, but doesn't Ireland already havi incredibly high taxes on tobacco?

Sukatai, thanks for answering... I'm afraid you didn't quite understand the question though... What would you do if you were in control?
Dec 26, 2009 8:32 AM CST What would you change?
Dutchindublin2
Dutchindublin2Dutchindublin2Oldenzaal, Overijssel Netherlands2 Threads 85 Posts
sorry for the typos, typing on my phone, forgot to check...
Dec 26, 2009 8:33 AM CST What would you change?
Keeneland
KeenelandKeenelandDublin, Ireland19 Threads 3 Polls 1,993 Posts
Dutchindublin2: Keeneland, tganks for your answer! It's very interesting, but doesn't Ireland already havi incredibly high taxes on tobacco?

Sukatai, thanks for answering... I'm afraid you didn't quite understand the question though... What would you do if you were in control?


We have huge tax on tobacco. But it is a substace that people choose to use and costs the HSE billi9ons every year. Put a huge tax on it i say.
Dec 26, 2009 8:37 AM CST What would you change?
sukatai
sukataisukataiTipperary, Ireland20 Threads 2 Polls 678 Posts
Dutchindublin2: Keeneland, tganks for your answer! It's very interesting, but doesn't Ireland already havi incredibly high taxes on tobacco?

Sukatai, thanks for answering... I'm afraid you didn't quite understand the question though... What would you do if you were in control?


I would do my best to give all that keeneland has mentioned, plus i would try and keep most of our jobs at home and not sell them abroad esp with the way things are, keep it green keep it Irish and most of all keep it on our own doorstep.
Dec 26, 2009 8:39 AM CST What would you change?
Dutchindublin2
Dutchindublin2Dutchindublin2Oldenzaal, Overijssel Netherlands2 Threads 85 Posts
Keeneland: We have huge tax on tobacco. But it is a substace that people choose to use and costs the HSE billi9ons every year. Put a huge tax on it i say.


Fair enough, but it will create a huge black market. I think I read somewhere that every third cigarette smoked in Ireland is illegal.
Dec 26, 2009 8:44 AM CST What would you change?
Keeneland
KeenelandKeenelandDublin, Ireland19 Threads 3 Polls 1,993 Posts
Dutchindublin2: Fair enough, but it will create a huge black market. I think I read somewhere that every third cigarette smoked in Ireland is illegal.


There is a huge black markey as it is. dunno I would bring in stiffer sentences for smuggling Cigs too.
Dec 26, 2009 8:47 AM CST What would you change?
Dutchindublin2
Dutchindublin2Dutchindublin2Oldenzaal, Overijssel Netherlands2 Threads 85 Posts
sukatai: I would do my best to give all that keeneland has mentioned, plus i would try and keep most of our jobs at home and not sell them abroad esp with the way things are, keep it green keep it Irish and most of all keep it on our own doorstep.


I think it's great that you and Keeneland seem to agree on things. I'm not sure what you mean with not selling jobs abroad though. I came to Ireland a few months ago to work doing a job it would be very difficult to find an Irish person for (speaking Dutch natively) bringing in tax revenue and making it possible for my American employer to have their European HQ here bringing in a lot more tax revenue.
Dec 26, 2009 8:49 AM CST What would you change?
Clone
CloneCloneCork, Ireland10 Threads 925 Posts
Keeneland: We have huge tax on tobacco. But it is a substace that people choose to use and costs the HSE billi9ons every year. Put a huge tax on it i say.


people that smoke are addicts...more people choose to drink so by that rule there should be just as high percentage on alcohol. It costs the tax payer a hell of a lot of money also due to alcohol related illness and also indirectly the amount of crime and court cases related to people under the influence of alcohol.

Im not sure what i would do if i was in government...I dont have any awnsers but just know that there is something fundementally wrong with capitalism in practice.

Then again I kinda have anarchist/socialist leanings but am not really a politaical type person so will leave it to the armchair politicians
grin
Dec 26, 2009 8:51 AM CST What would you change?
Dutchindublin2
Dutchindublin2Dutchindublin2Oldenzaal, Overijssel Netherlands2 Threads 85 Posts
Keeneland: There is a huge black markey as it is. I would bring in stiffer sentences for smuggling Cigs too.


Ok, but if there's money to be made, people will risk their lives. Some countries have the death penalty for smugling drugs and people are still smugling drugs there...
Dec 26, 2009 8:52 AM CST What would you change?
Keeneland
KeenelandKeenelandDublin, Ireland19 Threads 3 Polls 1,993 Posts
Dutchindublin2: I think it's great that you and Keeneland seem to agree on things. I'm not sure what you mean with not selling jobs abroad though. I came to Ireland a few months ago to work doing a job it would be very difficult to find an Irish person for (speaking Dutch natively) bringing in tax revenue and making it possible for my American employer to have their European HQ here bringing in a lot more tax revenue.


I totally agree we need immigration. But we need to make changed to our immigration system. It is too complicated. It takesd up to 10 years to decide of people from non EU countries can stay. Thats far to long considering only 10% of them get to stay.
Dec 26, 2009 8:55 AM CST What would you change?
sukatai
sukataisukataiTipperary, Ireland20 Threads 2 Polls 678 Posts
Dutchindublin2: I think it's great that you and Keeneland seem to agree on things. I'm not sure what you mean with not selling jobs abroad though. I came to Ireland a few months ago to work doing a job it would be very difficult to find an Irish person for (speaking Dutch natively) bringing in tax revenue and making it possible for my American employer to have their European HQ here bringing in a lot more tax revenue.



Sorry what i mean is we send a lot of things abroad to be asembled there, and we are buying things like veg here is that is imported, it costs more to buy imports than it does to buy our own products which will secure Irish jobs and cut down costs on an inviroment that is already suffering, i was always raised to buy Irish and support our people at home.ireland
Dec 26, 2009 8:55 AM CST What would you change?
Clone
CloneCloneCork, Ireland10 Threads 925 Posts
Keeneland: There is a huge black markey as it is. I would bring in stiffer sentences for smuggling Cigs too.


well there is always going to be a black market when the demand is high...

what about the issue of drugs? non legal that is.

would you think it would be better for legalisation of them as well and in turn create more income for the state on the tax charged? Plus they would be regulated and more pure and would clamp down on the black market in the narcotics trade.

just a thought.
Dec 26, 2009 8:56 AM CST What would you change?
Keeneland
KeenelandKeenelandDublin, Ireland19 Threads 3 Polls 1,993 Posts
Dutchindublin2: Ok, but if there's money to be made, people will risk their lives. Some countries have the death penalty for smugling drugs and people are still smugling drugs there...


I agree but i think the arguement that there will be a huge black market for a product if you tax it is no reason not to tax it. If that was a legitimate arguement then we would legalise a lot of things. My reason for taxing tobacco is people choose to smoke. We have hit welfare / child benefit / careers allowance and the medical card in the budget. We screwed the most vunerable in society and i think this was so wrong. If we increase tax on smokes then people always have the choice to give them up. I know it is easier said than done but thousands quit smoking every year so it is very possible.
Dec 26, 2009 8:58 AM CST What would you change?
Dutchindublin2
Dutchindublin2Dutchindublin2Oldenzaal, Overijssel Netherlands2 Threads 85 Posts
Keeneland: I totally agree we need immigration. But we need to make changed to our immigration system. It is too complicated. It takesd up to 10 years to decide of people from non EU countries can stay. Thats far to long considering only 10% of them get to stay.



Interesting point... What would you change?

And didn't you say you'd have Ireland leave the EU? I wouldn't have been paying Irish taxes if Ireland wasn't EU and my employer probably wouldn't either.
Dec 26, 2009 9:05 AM CST What would you change?
Dutchindublin2
Dutchindublin2Dutchindublin2Oldenzaal, Overijssel Netherlands2 Threads 85 Posts
Keeneland: I agree but i think the arguement that there will be a huge black market for a product if you tax it is no reason not to tax it. If that was a legitimate arguement then we would legalise a lot of things. My reason for taxing tobacco is people choose to smoke. We have hit welfare / child benefit / careers allowance and the medical card in the budget. We screwed the most vunerable in society and i think this was so wrong. If we increase tax on smokes then people always have the choice to give them up. I know it is easier said than done but thousands quit smoking every year so it is very possible.


Agreed... But I didn't mean to suggest not taxing tobacco at all. I was responding to your suggestion to tax it even more.

Very interesting point by clone, legalising (certain) drugs... It's something that seems to work great in my country... What about allowing pubs and clubs to be open 24/7?
Dec 26, 2009 9:05 AM CST What would you change?
Keeneland
KeenelandKeenelandDublin, Ireland19 Threads 3 Polls 1,993 Posts
Dutchindublin2: Interesting point... What would you change?

And didn't you say you'd have Ireland leave the EU? I wouldn't have been paying Irish taxes if Ireland wasn't EU and my employer probably wouldn't either.


If Ireland left the EU then we would have our own tax laws so we could make every company and person working in Ireland pay tax to the state. I would have us leave the EU if i had my way but i was stating at the moment non EU citizans have lots of appeals available to them which can take years and cost us billions in legal fees.

I would send them home after one hearing and if they wanted to appeal they could do so from their country. If they won the appeal the Irish State would pay the legal bills but if they lost they would be billed. At the moment we are paying to keep thousand in the country that have no right to be here. We are housing, feeding, clothing and keeping them. Also we pay all the legal bills on appeals that have no hope of success. It is ridicioulas.

If we left the EU i would have a green card system similar to the US, Canada and Oz.
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