Gaza,Hamas,Bin-Laden&all the fools sailed away.... ( Archived) (49)

Jun 5, 2010 11:14 AM CST Gaza,Hamas,Bin-Laden&all the fools sailed away....
magna1
magna1magna1stockholm, Stockholm Sweden33 Threads 278 Posts
Well...so the fools sailed away,-to defend and protect an evil authority....In Hamas 36 articles,there´s quite alot to raise your eyebrows,(as long you´re not a well-meaning socialist),.....Article 7:"Judgement day won´t come,until muslims fight JEWS and kill them to that level,-that when a JEW hides behind a tree or a rock,-then the tree or the stone say:"Muslim,-God´s servants,-there´s a JEW behind beind me,-kill him"......"Hamas wants a holy war against JEWS,-until Allah´s victory´s secured"....."The muslims are on their Prophets behalf commited to fight the JEWS and KILL them,wherever they might hide""Hamas is struggling to get a unity,where Allah is the highest power,-Quran is the constitution,reason and death for Allahs sake"...."Hamas won´t accept any international conferences.and all peaceful solutions---Sovereignty over this nation is a religious act,and negotiations,means that you hand over power to the hands of the infidels"....Well,-not sure what to say...But we live in 2010,-not 1010.....And this is some articles of a modern,liberal nation....and still...people defend this uttely nonsense....And in a cave near you...our beloved Bin-Laden´s having a ball....Maybe Nobel Price next...wouldn´t surprise me....
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Jun 5, 2010 11:17 AM CST Gaza,Hamas,Bin-Laden&all the fools sailed away....
demonfairy
demonfairydemonfairyNewton,hickory, North Carolina USA120 Threads 17 Polls 5,654 Posts
some times i think you need to lighten up comfort hug sad flower
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Jun 5, 2010 11:21 AM CST Gaza,Hamas,Bin-Laden&all the fools sailed away....
magna1
magna1magna1stockholm, Stockholm Sweden33 Threads 278 Posts
demonfairy: some times i think you need to lighten up
Hello there...might be so..but I do enjoy to exchange ideas&point of views...Have a lovely Saturday.....
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Jun 5, 2010 11:32 AM CST Gaza,Hamas,Bin-Laden&all the fools sailed away....
trulee01
trulee01trulee01lake worth, Florida USA49 Threads 1 Polls 2,406 Posts
demonfairy: some times i think you need to lighten up
thumbs up hug
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Jun 5, 2010 11:32 AM CST Gaza,Hamas,Bin-Laden&all the fools sailed away....
trulee01
trulee01trulee01lake worth, Florida USA49 Threads 1 Polls 2,406 Posts
Good answer.cheers
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Jun 5, 2010 12:48 PM CST Gaza,Hamas,Bin-Laden&all the fools sailed away....
LILLYLADY
LILLYLADYLILLYLADYunknown, Ohio USA27 Threads 1,293 Posts
You have some very interesting points made here Magna but doubt you will get alot of responses. Seems that any pro Jew forum doesn't get much response but if you wrote a anti-Jew or anti-Israel forum, then of course you're going to get alot of response. This site has a wealth of Jew and Israel haters who post forum after forum. Guess it's a big ego boost for them.

I think what you wrote should be put on the Gaza Fleet forum as it has quite a bit of relevance with what Hamas believes and why Israel keeps up the blockade.

It is obvious that the peaceful activists are not seeing this part of the Hamas Article. Because if they did, they would have a much better understanding why the Palestinian people are in such dire straits in Gaza and they are in such dire straits trying to plow through a blockade.

It is truly sad that the Palestinian people have to suffer as they do because of the mindset of Hamas. Hamas will kill their own people just as quickly as they would do the Jews. They've proven that over and over.
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Jun 5, 2010 2:35 PM CST Gaza,Hamas,Bin-Laden&all the fools sailed away....
Steevyv
SteevyvSteevyvsisak, Central Croatia Croatia65 Threads 805 Posts
Simply said: shameless !


HAMAS is not killing Palestinians but Israel !

Only in last massacre Israel has killed over 1.300 civilians in Gaza ghetto.

This lasted for 60 years , so it stated long time before that HAMAS was established.


All you have said and wrote on this treats here is nothing else but fascistic propaganda based on famous Dr.Goebels words that " hundred times repeated lie becomes true".
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Jun 5, 2010 2:56 PM CST Gaza,Hamas,Bin-Laden&all the fools sailed away....
alfibarios
alfibariosalfibariosaegion, Peloponnese Greece4 Threads 289 Posts
Steevyv: Simply said: shameless !HAMAS is not killing Palestinians but Israel !

Only in last massacre Israel has killed over 1.300 civilians in Gaza ghetto.

This lasted for 60 years , so it stated long time before that HAMAS was established. All you have said and wrote on this treats here is nothing else but fascistic propaganda based on famous Dr.Goebels words that " hundred times repeated lie becomes true".

thumbs up
ok my friend , but u cant change their little minds.
they prefer to close their eyes for the known reasons and still licking the same candy all the time.
hamas = terrorists
israeli just defend their rights
mob does the same , by killing those who opposed , but we all see them as criminals. whats the difference??
theeves and murderers ,both of them.israelis and wise guys i mean.
if u have nothing to fight against one of the best armies of the world , u blow urself with explosives and try to kill as many of ur enemies as u can.its simple and brave too.
now this stupid thing u say:stop resisting if u dont want to be killed ... what can i say. if someone rapes u and try to kill u enjoy it.dont defend urself.if that pleases u.wave
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Jun 5, 2010 3:12 PM CST Gaza,Hamas,Bin-Laden&all the fools sailed away....
BebeII
BebeIIBebeIIConcordville, Pennsylvania USA23 Threads 1,965 Posts
magna1: Hello there...might be so..but I do enjoy to exchange ideas&point of views...Have a lovely Saturday.....
Hamas is following the Koran which states that no once "muslim" lands can ever be ruled by infidels. This is why Bin Laden makes so many references to "Palestine" and Spain.
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Jun 5, 2010 3:14 PM CST Gaza,Hamas,Bin-Laden&all the fools sailed away....
BebeII
BebeIIBebeIIConcordville, Pennsylvania USA23 Threads 1,965 Posts
Steevyv: Simply said: shameless !HAMAS is not killing Palestinians but Israel !

Only in last massacre Israel has killed over 1.300 civilians in Gaza ghetto.

This lasted for 60 years , so it stated long time before that HAMAS was established. All you have said and wrote on this treats here is nothing else but fascistic propaganda based on famous Dr.Goebels words that " hundred times repeated lie becomes true".
If Hamas would stop launching rockets from Gaza (which was relinquished by the Israeli's 5 years ago)then they wouldn't suffer attacks.
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Jun 5, 2010 3:16 PM CST Gaza,Hamas,Bin-Laden&all the fools sailed away....
BebeII
BebeIIBebeIIConcordville, Pennsylvania USA23 Threads 1,965 Posts
alfibarios: ok my friend , but u cant change their little minds.
they prefer to close their eyes for the known reasons and still licking the same candy all the time.
hamas = terrorists
israeli just defend their rights
mob does the same , by killing those who opposed , but we all see them as criminals. whats the difference??
theeves and murderers ,both of them.israelis and wise guys i mean.
if u have nothing to fight against one of the best armies of the world , u blow urself with explosives and try to kill as many of ur enemies as u can.its simple and brave too.
now this stupid thing u say:stop resisting if u dont want to be killed ... what can i say. if someone rapes u and try to kill u enjoy it.dont defend urself.if that pleases u.
Hamas can legally fight Israeli soldiers all they want-That would be well within the bounds of legal warfare. However, we both know that most of their victims are civilians and a state has the DUTY to protect it's citizens.
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Jun 5, 2010 3:51 PM CST Gaza,Hamas,Bin-Laden&all the fools sailed away....
magna1
magna1magna1stockholm, Stockholm Sweden33 Threads 278 Posts
Again&again I ask myself the same question......Why,and for what reason do the Western world keep these medieval fanatics under their arms...The Hamas way of looking at the world has no relevance to this very day....There is a reason to everything,-and Hamas way doesn´t suit me at all....No my friends,-Idon´t wanna live,or be a part of a theocratic rule.....no matter what...Hand on heart,-does anyone out there really wanna live under a theocratic rule....,-I suppose no-one....,but for some strange reason,-there´s plenty of well-doers who claim the opposite....,and as being a European,-I can not see any advance in turning back time.....After all...we´re in the 21:th century,-and I don´t wanna get back to early medieval times...But the answer to my question is....Check out EAD,-European/Arab-dialogue,and you might get an answer....
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Jun 5, 2010 4:13 PM CST Gaza,Hamas,Bin-Laden&all the fools sailed away....
emannigol
emannigolemannigolJossakin Pirkanmaalla, Southern Finland Finland356 Posts
BebeII: a state has the DUTY to protect it's citizens.


How about duties like Geneva convention and other international laws?
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Jun 5, 2010 4:13 PM CST Gaza,Hamas,Bin-Laden&all the fools sailed away....
emannigol
emannigolemannigolJossakin Pirkanmaalla, Southern Finland Finland356 Posts
magna1: Again&again I ask myself the same question......Why,and for what reason do the Western world keep these medieval fanatics under their arms...The Hamas way of looking at the world has no relevance to this very day....There is a reason to everything,-and Hamas way doesn´t suit me at all....No my friends,-Idon´t wanna live,or be a part of a theocratic rule.....no matter what...Hand on heart,-does anyone out there really wanna live under a theocratic rule....,-I suppose no-one....,but for some strange reason,-there´s plenty of well-doers who claim the opposite....,and as being a European,-I can not see any advance in turning back time.....After all...we´re in the 21:th century,-and I don´t wanna get back to early medieval times...But the answer to my question is....Check out EAD,-European/Arab-dialogue,and you might get an answer....


That would be an appeal to fear.
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Jun 5, 2010 4:23 PM CST Gaza,Hamas,Bin-Laden&all the fools sailed away....
magna1
magna1magna1stockholm, Stockholm Sweden33 Threads 278 Posts
emannigol: That would be an appeal to fear.
Hmmm,-not sure about you´re answer...."Appeal to fear"????Yes,-I do fear alot...don´t you.....Replacing a modern way of thinking with an medieval likewise...Frankly...do you really want that...,just to beat yourself on the chest,and call yourself liberal...A parallel society....a medieval with a high-tech....
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Jun 5, 2010 4:55 PM CST Gaza,Hamas,Bin-Laden&all the fools sailed away....
u2Kitty
u2Kittyu2KittyClose to the ocean, South Denmark Denmark23 Threads 974 Posts
11. "The Jews are human beings , but the nations of the world are not human beings but beasts."-Baba Mecia 114, 6 [i.e.: 114b].

12. "Jehovah created the non-Jew in human form so that the Jew would not have to be served by beasts. The non-Jew is consequently an animal in human form, and commanded to serve the Jew day and night." - Midrasch Talpioth, p225-L.

13. As soon as the King Messiah will declare himself, He will destroy Rome and make a wilderness of it. Thorns and weeds will grow in the Pope's palace.
Then He will start a merciless war on non-Jews and will overpower them. He will slay them in masses, kill their kings and lay waste the whole Roman land. He will say to the Jews:'I am the King Messiah for whom you have been waiting. Take the Silver and Gold from the Goyim.'" - Josiah 60, 6 Rabbi Abarbanel to Daniel 7, 13.

14. "A Gentile girl who is three years old can be violated."- Aboda Sarah 37a.

15. "A Jew may do to a non-Jewess what he can do. He may treat her as he treats a piece of meat." - Hadarine, 20, B; Schulchan Aruch, Choszen Hamiszpat 348.

16. "A Jew may misuse the non-Jewess in her state of unbelief." - Maimonides, Jak. Chasaka 2:2.

17. "Thou shalt not do injury to thy neighbor (Bible), but it is not said,'Thou shalt not do injury to a goy.' " - Mishna Sanhedryn 57.

18. "When you go to war do not go as the first, but as the last, so that you may return as the first. Five things has Kanaan recommended to his sons:'Love each other, love the robbery, hate your masters and never tell the truth.' " - Pesachim F. 113B


You see????
Maybe your excuse is that you haven`t read the talmud yet?
(Slow reader???)

Sorry about double posting
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Jun 5, 2010 5:02 PM CST Gaza,Hamas,Bin-Laden&all the fools sailed away....
u2Kitty
u2Kittyu2KittyClose to the ocean, South Denmark Denmark23 Threads 974 Posts
NOTE:

My 3 previous posts are only meant as an example to show how it looks when thing are taken out of a context!!

I am not trying to state anything against jews - I just don`t like the way OP presents his views!!

Kitty hug
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Jun 5, 2010 5:02 PM CST Gaza,Hamas,Bin-Laden&all the fools sailed away....
u2Kitty
u2Kittyu2KittyClose to the ocean, South Denmark Denmark23 Threads 974 Posts
NOTE:

My 3 previous posts are only meant as an example to show how it looks when thing are taken out of a context!!

I am not trying to state anything against jews - I just don`t like the way OP presents his views!!

Kitty hug
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Jun 5, 2010 5:04 PM CST Gaza,Hamas,Bin-Laden&all the fools sailed away....
murny
murnymurnycranbrook, British Columbia Canada1 Threads 159 Posts
magna1: Well...so the fools sailed away,-to defend and protect an evil authority....In Hamas 36 articles,there´s quite alot to raise your eyebrows,(as long you´re not a well-meaning socialist),.....Article 7:"Judgement day won´t come,until muslims fight JEWS and kill them to that level,-that when a JEW hides behind a tree or a rock,-then the tree or the stone say:"Muslim,-God´s servants,-there´s a JEW behind beind me,-kill him"......"Hamas wants a holy war against JEWS,-until Allah´s victory´s secured"....."The muslims are on their Prophets behalf commited to fight the JEWS and KILL them,wherever they might hide""Hamas is struggling to get a unity,where Allah is the highest power,-Quran is the constitution,reason and death for Allahs sake"...."Hamas won´t accept any international conferences.and all peaceful solutions---Sovereignty over this nation is a religious act,and negotiations,means that you hand over power to the hands of the infidels"....Well,-not sure what to say...But we live in 2010,-not 1010.....And this is some articles of a modern,liberal nation....and still...people defend this uttely nonsense....And in a cave near you...our beloved Bin-Laden´s having a ball....Maybe Nobel Price next...wouldn´t surprise me....


I'm a little confused
There are these people called Palestinians living on this piece of land, for a little while, like 2,000 years.
Along come some people called Israelis, who are given a piece of this land, by the West.
These Israelis, over the years, take houses and more and more land from the Palestinians.
The Palestinians take offense at having more and more of their land and houses taken or destroyed, and, well, stick up for themselves.
THAT is a terrorist????
So the upset Israelis now open fire with sophisticated weapons, killing many civilians. (Last January, less than 2 dozen Israelis were killed in the "conflict", but about 1300 Palestinians died, almost NINETY PERCENT civilians.) They put the remaining Palestinians in a fenced area, regularly enter and fire on the unarmed people inside, open their sewers into the Palestinians water supply, plow their farms and orchards under, cut off medical supplies, cut off food, etc etc, all in the name of defense.
THAT is defending yourself???? Against what? Some outdated rockets fired by people who want out of a blockade, who want their land and homes back?

I could use the same line of thought when considering my homeland, the US. All this running around, declaring war on someone who MIGHT want to, MIGHT be PLANNING to, or has weapons they MIGHT use. Who is doing the attacking? Who is over in other countries wreaking havoc? Who is the only country to ever use a nuclear bomb on another, who actually followed through?
I am American-born, and deeply grieved by my government's actions in the world against my fellow humans, all based on a huge MAYBE. I am beginning to question any legitimacy at all to their actions.

Iran, despite complying with Western demands to swap their uranium, despite signing the non-proliferation treaty and abiding by it, in fact, for a while holding themselves to higher standards, is a nuclear threat? When was the last time they attacked another country? Supposedly they THREATENED to wipe Israel off the map (funny, the translation seems to indicate that ZIONISM has to go, not that a country is to be wiped out), but their track record does not show them as an aggressor. Why can the US and Israel, who has not signed the treaty and refuses to let anyone in to monitor their activities, be left alone, despite their record of warfare and aggression, but Iran, who is technologically pretty archaic regarding nuclear matter, and who states they want nuclear power and medical isotopes to treat cancer, (their right, since they signed the treaty) is declared to be hiding something? I'm confused.
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Jun 5, 2010 5:05 PM CST Gaza,Hamas,Bin-Laden&all the fools sailed away....
murny
murnymurnycranbrook, British Columbia Canada1 Threads 159 Posts
cont'd

The Muslims are said to say they want all Jews wiped out, so they are considered a threat.
My question is, who is doing the shooting, and abusing, and attacking, and brutalizing? Who is ACTUALLY doing it? Not, who MIGHT do it, or who THREATENS to do it?
And though I in no way advocate for the Muslims' supposed belief to wipe out the Jews, I am beginning to understand WHY they might be a little mad....

So people from like FORTY TWO different nations take supplies to the people who are kind of well, STARVING and SICK, to relieve them, and they are TERRORISTS? I would say that a large portion of the world agrees there is a need, and that an injustice is being done, despite who did what prior to this situation.

From my other posts on this site, one can see I would rather discuss science and spirituality. So, I can only comment on what I see at face value.
It is really hard for me to understand some people's views, given the events that have taken place.
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