HAS ANYBODY ANY CONFIDENCE IN OUR POLITICIANS? (17)
susan3hdCork, Ireland3 Threads 10 PostsHave we all been thrown to the wolves by the Bankers and politicians? How can we believe a word out of any public servant. They have all lied to us time after time.
susan3hd: Have we all been thrown to the wolves by the Bankers and politicians? How can we believe a word out of any public servant. They have all lied to us time after time.
I try and stay away from political threads Susan as i do not know enough about politics, the only thing i can say is i think people has lost faith in all, our so called politicians
no matter what colour they are wearing.......... i can see civil unrest in this country before long...........
Thank you for your email. Yes, I totally agree with you. Every week I try to discipline myself to refrain from listening to the Irish News. It would indeed be a sad day if civil unrest were to break out, but unfortunately its very much on the cards, which would do no one any good. I am going to stop know as it always gives me a headache.
Have a good week end,
Rgs,
Susan.
Have a good week end,
Rgs,
Susan.
NO
hem23: oops cynical
i totally agree with u that the irish are all talkers and no doers.
by allowing these politicians to get away with what they have done makes the rest of us just as guilty. fair play to your man that drove the cement truck into the gate of the dial.
i totally agree with u that the irish are all talkers and no doers.
by allowing these politicians to get away with what they have done makes the rest of us just as guilty. fair play to your man that drove the cement truck into the gate of the dial.
just a piece of info regarding the cement driver. he is not an ordinary guy who is standing up for the little guy. he is a developer who owes 3.5 million to Anglo. he has 22 apartments here in the city that he cant sell.
GalwayGuy35: just a piece of info regarding the cement driver. he is not an ordinary guy who is standing up for the little guy. he is a developer who owes 3.5 million to Anglo. he has 22 apartments here in the city that he cant sell.
oh ok i didnt know that. i thought he was dude that lost his pension.
Remove all politics and parasite politicians from your mind and go on and live a good meaningful life
susan3hd: Have we all been thrown to the wolves by the Bankers and politicians? How can we believe a word out of any public servant. They have all lied to us time after time.
what interest me though is how could they get it so wrong, they were told that and given the information and knowledge years ago to start curbing cost and expense.... I don't believe many of them have the skill set to deliver on expecations and rely mainly on outsourcing and building teams that have the skill set to deliver on the interests of this nation i.e hiring economists (is that the right spelling..) the most frustrating thing also is they could've done so much more with the available cash to contribute to really sorting out the hse and poorly performing public factilates in this counrty, at the time even in my youth I knew this wouldn't last and could see all around me people over extending themselves.. the needless waste is appaling and for us it will take years for this to sort itself out and sadly we could've done so much more
We as a nation now have to weed out the under performaners and never let this country face runination again, we have an onus to deliver to the next generations to come how? yes I believe that eventually we will stand up and say enough is enough and won't be surprised to see riots and protests in the near future.. I belive after the next budget things will get worse!
craized: what interest me though is how could they get it so wrong, they were told that and given the information and knowledge years ago to start curbing cost and expense.... I don't believe many of them have the skill set to deliver on expecations and rely mainly on outsourcing and building teams that have the skill set to deliver on the interests of this nation i.e hiring economists (is that the right spelling..)
The Department of Finance employs Economists and either they didn't predict any crash or they didn't decide to tell us. Perhaps they need to be sacked as well for giving out duff information for the State to plan with. The unions also have economic advice and they also continued to demand pay rises and tax cuts from the State with scant regard for any downturn.
craized: the most frustrating thing also is they could've done so much more with the available cash to contribute to really sorting out the hse and poorly performing public factilates in this counrty, at the time even in my youth I knew this wouldn't last and could see all around me people over extending themselves.. the needless waste is appaling and for us it will take years for this to sort itself out and sadly we could've done so much more
Most of the Public Sector expenditure has gone into pay rises and additional staff, mainly at admin and middle management levels. Unions are happy to demand more pay and promotional spots for staff with little regard as to what duties they had to do or for what it meant for tax payers value for money. Until the Unions accept that we need more front line staff then it will be no better regardless of who gets paid what or which party is in power.
craized: We as a nation now have to weed out the under performaners and never let this country face runination again, we have an onus to deliver to the next generations to come how? yes I believe that eventually we will stand up and say enough is enough and won't be surprised to see riots and protests in the near future.. I belive after the next budget things will get worse!
One of the sad things is that we as a nation need to accept that we were undertaxed in comparison to other countries, regardless of recession. If we want a French level health system or Swedish Welfare it has to be paid for. It's just our luck we only find it out the hard way
susan3hd: Have we all been thrown to the wolves by the Bankers and politicians? How can we believe a word out of any public servant. They have all lied to us time after time.
No confidence in them at all, no matter who you vote in nothing will change, it will be the same gangsters our for their own personal gain never mind the people who put them in power in the first place
Losty: The Department of Finance employs Economists and either they didn't predict any crash or they didn't decide to tell us. Perhaps they need to be sacked as well for giving out duff information for the State to plan with. The unions also have economic advice and they also continued to demand pay rises and tax cuts from the State with scant regard for any downturn.
Most of the Public Sector expenditure has gone into pay rises and additional staff, mainly at admin and middle management levels. Unions are happy to demand more pay and promotional spots for staff with little regard as to what duties they had to do or for what it meant for tax payers value for money. Until the Unions accept that we need more front line staff then it will be no better regardless of who gets paid what or which party is in power.
One of the sad things is that we as a nation need to accept that we were undertaxed in comparison to other countries, regardless of recession. If we want a French level health system or Swedish Welfare it has to be paid for. It's just our luck we only find it out the hard way
Most of the Public Sector expenditure has gone into pay rises and additional staff, mainly at admin and middle management levels. Unions are happy to demand more pay and promotional spots for staff with little regard as to what duties they had to do or for what it meant for tax payers value for money. Until the Unions accept that we need more front line staff then it will be no better regardless of who gets paid what or which party is in power.
One of the sad things is that we as a nation need to accept that we were undertaxed in comparison to other countries, regardless of recession. If we want a French level health system or Swedish Welfare it has to be paid for. It's just our luck we only find it out the hard way
Well said!
Godsgift: I think there could be unrest. I'm noticing people who have never shown any political interest are now posting angry political threads.
The best thing to do would be to ban public sector strikes, introduce internment for bankers and trade unions leaders until they sunbmit to the authority of the state.
We have a choic sink or swim, if there is coial unrest then we welcome those lovely people from the IMF into this country.
We need a FG-FF national government that will provide decisive leadership.
Ross30: The best thing to do would be to ban public sector strikes, introduce internment for bankers and trade unions leaders until they sunbmit to the authority of the state.
We have a choic sink or swim, if there is coial unrest then we welcome those lovely people from the IMF into this country.
We need a FG-FF national government that will provide decisive leadership.
We have a choic sink or swim, if there is coial unrest then we welcome those lovely people from the IMF into this country.
We need a FG-FF national government that will provide decisive leadership.
FF? I think not! I know what Losty is saying about them being given wrong info but that's like letting the captain of the Titanic off the hook for nobody telling him there was an iceberg in place. It was his job to have the situation monitored just like the government. WTF was the financial regulator actually doing. Of course, he was following the guidelines FF drew up in the tent in the Galway races.
Godsgift: FF? I think not! I know what Losty is saying about them being given wrong info but that's like letting the captain of the Titanic off the hook for nobody telling him there was an iceberg in place. It was his job to have the situation monitored just like the government. WTF was the financial regulator actually doing. Of course, he was following the guidelines FF drew up in the tent in the Galway races.
A FG-Labour government is ideologically incompatible, Labour want to increase taxes while FG want to cut public spending, it wold be the same with a FF-Labour colaition.
Plus FG and FF don't have any ideological differences, would you prefer a strong decisive coalition that a FG-FF national government would provide or an ideological coalition choice of either FG-Labour or FF-Labour, therefore a FG-FF government would make logical sense.
Sorry but I don't want to see Labour a party associated with trade unions within an asses roar of government.
Ross30: A FG-Labour government is ideologically incompatible, Labour want to increase taxes while FG want to cut public spending, it wold be the same with a FF-Labour colaition.
Plus FG and FF don't have any ideological differences, would you prefer a strong decisive coalition that a FG-FF national government would provide or an ideological coalition choice of either FG-Labour or FF-Labour, therefore a FG-FF government would make logical sense.
Sorry but I don't want to see Labour a party associated with trade unions within an asses roar of government.
Plus FG and FF don't have any ideological differences, would you prefer a strong decisive coalition that a FG-FF national government would provide or an ideological coalition choice of either FG-Labour or FF-Labour, therefore a FG-FF government would make logical sense.
Sorry but I don't want to see Labour a party associated with trade unions within an asses roar of government.
Labour are part funded from capitation fees funded from trade union membership. This is far more corrupt than any political donation as it's a regularised political income; it's akin to protection money.
Losty: Labour are part funded from capitation fees funded from trade union membership. This is far more corrupt than any political donation as it's a regularised political income; it's akin to protection money.
I fully agree, hopefully the IMF will put manners on the public sector trade unions next year, I would be absolutely delighted if the IMF came into Ireland because none of the political parties have the balls to reform the public sector on its own.
Godsgift: FF? I think not! I know what Losty is saying about them being given wrong info but that's like letting the captain of the Titanic off the hook for nobody telling him there was an iceberg in place. It was his job to have the situation monitored just like the government. WTF was the financial regulator actually doing. Of course, he was following the guidelines FF drew up in the tent in the Galway races.
True but the regulatory bodies can only go by what information they have to deal with the market place that we want in the long term and the powers the regulatory bodies are given. Had we had the old system of over regulation we'd have been back in the days when banks found every reason not to loan; a case of too much and too little. Certainly the hands off approach hurts now but the hands on system also has it's faults and the days of 20%APR loans in the late 80's attest to that. No one system is perfect but certain things need to be done right, no doubts about that and it won't take any special party to sort them out.
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