Mideast Peace What is fair? (605)
SilverBirch:
Mideast Peace What is fair?
Mideast Peace What is fair?
I would say that to be "fair" would require giving the PLO (not the israeli-created Hamas) an amount of military aid equal to the amount that the US has given Israel over the last 60 years (corrected for inflation of course), meanwhile actively disarming Israel and allowing Palestine to occupy and rule over the Israelis for the next 60 years, driving Israelis from their homes without compensation and forcing them into ever smaller enclosed camps, all the while severely restricting their access to food, water, and basic necessities. And, to really make it fair, at least a dozen massacres in which the well armed Palestinian military use their modern weapons to flatten entire towns of unarmed Israelis.
After that. Then give each side equal arms, equal aid and let them settle their own problems between themselves with no outside aid or intervention permitted.
That sounds fair doesn't it???
If not, why not???
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My idea of what's fair is pretty harsh right now. I think the UN should tell Palestine and Israel to just do what they have to do and resolve their differences any way it takes while everyone else stands aside. International Cage Match.
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John Lennon - Give Peace A Chance
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What, praytell, is a "Semite"?
It's not a race, it's not a religion, it's not even an ethnicity.
The word Semitic refers to a language group that includes both Hebrew and Arabic, but also many languages of Black Africa.
Why mess around with such ambiguous semantics?
When people say "antisemitic", what they want to say is anti-Jewish.
But in fact, most of the time, opposition is not aimed at Jews in general, it is aimed at the policies of Zionism. So really, most of the time it would be better to say "anti-zionist".
I am a confirmed anti-zionist myself.
And I think anyone of conscience should be.
It's not a race, it's not a religion, it's not even an ethnicity.
The word Semitic refers to a language group that includes both Hebrew and Arabic, but also many languages of Black Africa.
Why mess around with such ambiguous semantics?
When people say "antisemitic", what they want to say is anti-Jewish.
But in fact, most of the time, opposition is not aimed at Jews in general, it is aimed at the policies of Zionism. So really, most of the time it would be better to say "anti-zionist".
I am a confirmed anti-zionist myself.
And I think anyone of conscience should be.
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There is no point Ray in being anti-zionist, because Israel is here to stay and it ain't leaving the land it was legally given to anyone else.
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RayfromUSA: What, praytell, is a "Semite"?
It's not a race, it's not a religion, it's not even an ethnicity.
The word Semitic refers to a language group that includes both Hebrew and Arabic, but also many languages of Black Africa.
Why mess around with such ambiguous semantics?
When people say "antisemitic", what they want to say is anti-Jewish.
But in fact, most of the time, opposition is not aimed at Jews in general, it is aimed at the policies of Zionism. So really, most of the time it would be better to say "anti-zionist".
I am a confirmed anti-zionist myself.
And I think anyone of conscience should be.
Actually all of you are Judeophobes and wrap it up nicely in the Strawman of anti-Zionism!It's not a race, it's not a religion, it's not even an ethnicity.
The word Semitic refers to a language group that includes both Hebrew and Arabic, but also many languages of Black Africa.
Why mess around with such ambiguous semantics?
When people say "antisemitic", what they want to say is anti-Jewish.
But in fact, most of the time, opposition is not aimed at Jews in general, it is aimed at the policies of Zionism. So really, most of the time it would be better to say "anti-zionist".
I am a confirmed anti-zionist myself.
And I think anyone of conscience should be.
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RayfromUSA: You forgot to answer the question Conrad.
If you don't think my proposed solution was "fair" please explain why not.
Who were the Idiots that rejected a State of their own,and chose War instead?If you don't think my proposed solution was "fair" please explain why not.
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RayfromUSA: What, praytell, is a "Semite"?
It's not a race, it's not a religion, it's not even an ethnicity.
The word Semitic refers to a language group that includes both Hebrew and Arabic, but also many languages of Black Africa.
Why mess around with such ambiguous semantics?
When people say "antisemitic", what they want to say is anti-Jewish.
But in fact, most of the time, opposition is not aimed at Jews in general, it is aimed at the policies of Zionism. So really, most of the time it would be better to say "anti-zionist".
I am a confirmed anti-zionist myself.
And I think anyone of conscience should be.
It's not a race, it's not a religion, it's not even an ethnicity.
The word Semitic refers to a language group that includes both Hebrew and Arabic, but also many languages of Black Africa.
Why mess around with such ambiguous semantics?
When people say "antisemitic", what they want to say is anti-Jewish.
But in fact, most of the time, opposition is not aimed at Jews in general, it is aimed at the policies of Zionism. So really, most of the time it would be better to say "anti-zionist".
I am a confirmed anti-zionist myself.
And I think anyone of conscience should be.
You're arguing semantics. Common usage of antisemitic is very specific and has nothing to do with "a language group", regardless of the technical origin of the word.
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And you think the Pals are so hard done by. They are clamouring to gain Israeli citizenship. They are happy under Israeli government. They have their Members of Parliament in the Israeli government. They are not so hard done by at all. Please document Ray where they are starved of basic necessities in Israel.
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Wow_Factor: And you think the Pals are so hard done by. They are clamouring to gain Israeli citizenship. They are happy under Israeli government. They have their Members of Parliament in the Israeli government. They are not so hard done by at all. Please document Ray where they are starved of basic necessities in Israel.
SB and Ray are waiting for their own version of the 12th Imam,and that requires a gigantic Bloodbath over in the Mideast!------ This thread is Locked ------
Wow_Factor: And you think the Pals are so hard done by. They are clamouring to gain Israeli citizenship. They are happy under Israeli government. They have their Members of Parliament in the Israeli government. They are not so hard done by at all. Please document Ray where they are starved of basic necessities in Israel.
There are people and cultures across the world getting screwed over royally today that get no attention or sympathy whatsoever from the self-proclaimed "anti-zionists" that have hearts pumping purple piss for Palestinians. And those other people and cultures don't sponsor terrorism and are TRULY opressed. Makes me wonder if the Palestinian "oppression" isn't really just rationalization for hating "Jews".
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Conrad73: Actually all of you are Judeophobes and wrap it up nicely in the Strawman of anti-Zionism!
A "strawman" is an imaginary or extremely overhyped issue blown far beyond its real portent and then discredited with the intention of also discrediting the truth in the process.
There is nothing imaginary about Israel's brutal invasion and occupation of Palestine nor of its ethnic cleansing activities.
If you want a good example of a strawman look at Hamas. Israel created it, funded it, armed it, helped it take control in Gaza, and then uses it as justification for their brutal oppression of Palestinians, 90% of whom never had anything to do with Hamas.
That's a strawman.
Hamas is an imaginary Islamic movement. Really it's just a mercenary insurgent army run by Israel.
And it is used as an excuse for oppressing all Palestinians including the PLO which is not Islamic at all, but is a natural resistance movement against foreign invaders.
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RayfromUSA: A "strawman" is an imaginary or extremely overhyped issue blown far beyond its real portent and then discredited with the intention of also discrediting the truth in the process.
There is nothing imaginary about Israel's brutal invasion and occupation of Palestine nor of its ethnic cleansing activities.
If you want a good example of a strawman look at Hamas. Israel created it, funded it, armed it, helped it take control in Gaza, and then uses it as justification for their brutal oppression of Palestinians, 90% of whom never had anything to do with Hamas.
That's a strawman.
Hamas is an imaginary Islamic movement. Really it's just a mercenary insurgent army run by Israel.
And it is used as an excuse for oppressing all Palestinians including the PLO which is not Islamic at all, but is a natural resistance movement against foreign invaders.
There is nothing imaginary about Israel's brutal invasion and occupation of Palestine nor of its ethnic cleansing activities.
If you want a good example of a strawman look at Hamas. Israel created it, funded it, armed it, helped it take control in Gaza, and then uses it as justification for their brutal oppression of Palestinians, 90% of whom never had anything to do with Hamas.
That's a strawman.
Hamas is an imaginary Islamic movement. Really it's just a mercenary insurgent army run by Israel.
And it is used as an excuse for oppressing all Palestinians including the PLO which is not Islamic at all, but is a natural resistance movement against foreign invaders.
More Conspiracy Theory?
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gardenhackle: There are people and cultures across the world getting screwed over royally today that get no attention or sympathy whatsoever from the self-proclaimed "anti-zionists" that have hearts pumping purple piss for Palestinians. And those other people and cultures don't sponsor terrorism and are TRULY opressed. Makes me wonder if the Palestinian "oppression" isn't really just rationalization for hating "Jews".
Quite plainly and simply these anti-Zionists/anti-Jews (same difference) have got absolutely no idea of how humane and generous Israel is to them. It is the muslims in Gaza that are suffering by the hands of their Hamas government, and those poor people rue the day they elected Hamas in because of the corrupt behaviour and murderous antics. Israel sends in tons and tons of food and medicines into Gaza every day. Lorryloads. The facts are out there for all to see, and I challenge the anti-zionists, anti-jews and whatever those 'people' should be called to document where there is suffering.
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RayfromUSA: A "strawman" is an imaginary or extremely overhyped issue blown far beyond its real portent and then discredited with the intention of also discrediting the truth in the process.
There is nothing imaginary about Israel's brutal invasion and occupation of Palestine nor of its ethnic cleansing activities.
If you want a good example of a strawman look at Hamas. Israel created it, funded it, armed it, helped it take control in Gaza, and then uses it as justification for their brutal oppression of Palestinians, 90% of whom never had anything to do with Hamas.
That's a strawman.
Hamas is an imaginary Islamic movement. Really it's just a mercenary insurgent army run by Israel.
And it is used as an excuse for oppressing all Palestinians including the PLO which is not Islamic at all, but is a natural resistance movement against foreign invaders.
There is nothing imaginary about Israel's brutal invasion and occupation of Palestine nor of its ethnic cleansing activities.
If you want a good example of a strawman look at Hamas. Israel created it, funded it, armed it, helped it take control in Gaza, and then uses it as justification for their brutal oppression of Palestinians, 90% of whom never had anything to do with Hamas.
That's a strawman.
Hamas is an imaginary Islamic movement. Really it's just a mercenary insurgent army run by Israel.
And it is used as an excuse for oppressing all Palestinians including the PLO which is not Islamic at all, but is a natural resistance movement against foreign invaders.
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misbunny: Just another show of Israel's arrogance. If they don't stop construction, they should get no incentives. Period.
As easy it is...
... I think it's not worth even to think seriously about. In the last 60 years we heard some 40 times about "incentives", "moratoriums", "agreements", "resolutions" which were ignored, because the others -and only theme- always through stones and rackets. It’s just a farce again. SB, place a deeper question about; you have more rights than me to do so in here, I’m just a small European.------ This thread is Locked ------
Sorry mikgr - you use the word theme a lot, but the spelling is them.
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RayfromUSA: What, praytell, is a "Semite"?
But in fact, most of the time, opposition is not aimed at Jews in general, it is aimed at the policies of Zionism. So really, most of the time it would be better to say "anti-zionist".
I am a confirmed anti-zionist myself.
And I think anyone of conscience should be.
But in fact, most of the time, opposition is not aimed at Jews in general, it is aimed at the policies of Zionism. So really, most of the time it would be better to say "anti-zionist".
I am a confirmed anti-zionist myself.
And I think anyone of conscience should be.
That's what I do openly and all the time in here. And I also stated some times the reasons why. But the answer you get is always the typical Zionist arrogance, its only
and stereotypic, well archived "sources". Therefore I only repeat my sentences again:
Ask not whether I am anti-Semitic -- ask only whether I am right
If you want to know where the power lies, then ask whom you cannot criticize
'Anti-Semite' used to mean someone who hates Jews. Now it means someone whom the Jews hate
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