Mideast Peace What is fair? (605)
SilverBirch: President Carter told the Knesset exactly the way it was. Sharon ushered in Hamas, just as Ray says. Its a con job Conrad. Con the elections to appear like Hamas won and then stretch the rules to steal more land, con the US, steal more land. Its so transparent its sick.
But Silverbirch, Palestinians never had land to steal as they never accepted UN Resolution 181 so how is this even possible to steal land from a person who never had it?
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President Carter: First of all, Hamas didn't enter the political arena as candidates until 2005, under the approval of PM Ariel Sharon. They sought, first of all, municipal and local elections, and they were successful in 35% of the cities and towns of Palestine. Their taking office was approved by Ariel Sharon, and I might say that, in general… they performed well. They did not have corruption, they cleaned up their city, they got the citizens to clean up their streets, the planted vacant lots in gardens, and it was that experience as local officials that gave them the reputation in the legislative election of 2006 of being less corrupt than Fatah. In 2006, their candidates were permitted to seek office by PM Olmert and by President Bush and obviously by Fatah.
And they had to take an oath that they would commit themselves to nonviolence.
That was the only thing they had to agree to, to be nonviolent. Every candidate did so. And they were elected. I didn't have anything to do with the approval or disapproval of the rules or regulations of the election. That was done by a very high quality election commission, maybe the best I've ever seen in the world—made up of judges, former presidents of universities, who didn't want to sully their personal reputation. There was no corruption, no cheating on the election. That's why I participate; I don't decide who runs, who is elected, or anything. That's decided by the people who go in and vote.
And they had to take an oath that they would commit themselves to nonviolence.
That was the only thing they had to agree to, to be nonviolent. Every candidate did so. And they were elected. I didn't have anything to do with the approval or disapproval of the rules or regulations of the election. That was done by a very high quality election commission, maybe the best I've ever seen in the world—made up of judges, former presidents of universities, who didn't want to sully their personal reputation. There was no corruption, no cheating on the election. That's why I participate; I don't decide who runs, who is elected, or anything. That's decided by the people who go in and vote.
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Albertaghost: But Silverbirch, Palestinians never had land to steal as they never accepted UN Resolution 181 so how is this even possible to steal land from a person who never had it?
Look at any world map dated pre-1947 and what do you see Al?------ This thread is Locked ------
I'll answer for you Al. It was called Palestine.
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House majority leader Cantor pledges support for Netanyahu over Obama????????????? What kind of treason is this????????????
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Another sickening display of Israeli infiltration into the decision making posts of American government.
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Albertaghost: But Silverbirch, Palestinians never had land to steal as they never accepted UN Resolution 181 so how is this even possible to steal land from a person who never had it?
Albert...you know that Adam was a Palestine......
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SilverBirch: Look at any world map dated pre-1947 and what do you see Al?
Turkish Ottoman Empire and British mandated Palestine Territory. So, now that we have established that the Palestinians never had a nation and that UN Resolution 181 was their shot at it and they refused, can we move on?
SilverBirch: I'll answer for you Al. It was called Palestine.
Sorry, it was not. Similar to British Mandated Palestine but not quite the same as it was not owned nor administrated by the Palestinian people as we know them today.
Nice try though. Crack a book sometime.
SilverBirch: Another sickening display of Israeli infiltration into the decision making posts of American government.
How so? Here is the statement from his office;
"Eric stressed that the new Republican majority will serve as a check on the Administration and what has been, up until this point, one party rule in Washington,"
Seems to me that is the intent of having parties in a democratic run society.
" the readout continued. "He made clear that the Republican majority understands the special relationship between Israel and the United States, and that the security of each nation is reliant upon the other."
Yes indeed, Israel does save the US billions each year and, is paramount to the security of the US so what part of this is wrong?
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SilverBirch: House majority leader Cantor pledges support for Netanyahu over Obama????????????? What kind of treason is this????????????
Sad,you don't even know the workings of your own Government!Oboomer does not own Congress!
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SilverBirch: Look at any world map dated pre-1947 and what do you see Al?
BRITISH Mandate of Palestine,Not a Trace of a Palestinian State!------ This thread is Locked ------
A reminder of the video clips I posted on the locked thread for those who believe Israel's neighbours are peaceful and will adhere to peace. Heck, they can't even live with themselves, so how will they live with the Jewish people.
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Albertaghost: Turkish Ottoman Empire and British mandated Palestine Territory. So, now that we have established that the Palestinians never had a nation and that UN Resolution 181 was their shot at it and they refused, can we move on?
Sorry, it was not. Similar to British Mandated Palestine but not quite the same as it was not owned nor administrated by the Palestinian people as we know them today.
Nice try though. Crack a book sometime.
How so? Here is the statement from his office;
"Eric stressed that the new Republican majority will serve as a check on the Administration and what has been, up until this point, one party rule in Washington,"
Seems to me that is the intent of having parties in a democratic run society.
" the readout continued. "He made clear that the Republican majority understands the special relationship between Israel and the United States, and that the security of each nation is reliant upon the other."
Yes indeed, Israel does save the US billions each year and, is paramount to the security of the US so what part of this is wrong?
He cracks one now and then,but they all have certain Real-World Facts missing!Sorry, it was not. Similar to British Mandated Palestine but not quite the same as it was not owned nor administrated by the Palestinian people as we know them today.
Nice try though. Crack a book sometime.
How so? Here is the statement from his office;
"Eric stressed that the new Republican majority will serve as a check on the Administration and what has been, up until this point, one party rule in Washington,"
Seems to me that is the intent of having parties in a democratic run society.
" the readout continued. "He made clear that the Republican majority understands the special relationship between Israel and the United States, and that the security of each nation is reliant upon the other."
Yes indeed, Israel does save the US billions each year and, is paramount to the security of the US so what part of this is wrong?
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End not a Trace of Palestinians,under Turkish Empire and under British Mandate???.
Conrad73: BRITISH Mandate of Palestine,Not a Trace of a Palestinian State!
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The internationally authorized trust, known as the Mandate for Palestine, was created by the League of Nations on April 24, 1920. However, the trust’s internationally authorized governing instrument, also known as the Mandate for Palestine, was not finalized and enacted by the League of Nations until July 24, 1922.
Prior to its conquest by Great Britain during World War I, the non-sovereign territory of Palestine had been occupied, with brief interruptions, by the Ottoman Empire since 1517 and, before that, by an unbroken chain of empires stretching back in History to imperial Rome which, after crushing the third and final revolt of the Jewish people against its hated Occupation in 135, had changed the Land's name from Judea, the Latin-language word for which was Iudaea, meaning Land of the Jews, to Palestine, the Latin-language word for which was Palaestina, meaning Land of the Philistines (a long-extinct Aegean people who had disappeared from History more than 700 years earlier after being extirpated by the Babylonian Empire), as part of an unabashed effort to delegitimize any further national Jewish claims to the Land. Although, as further punishment for the uprising, the Romans also massacred and expelled much of the Land's Jewish population, the remainder thereof continued to reside throughout the Land (including the areas of Galilee, Negev, Arava, Judea, Samaria, Jerusalem, Gaza and Golan Heights) under the Roman and all successive Occupations -- including that of the colonialist Islamic Arab Empire commencing in the 7th Century -- through the advent of the Mandate for Palestine.
The Mandate for Palestine (i.e., the trust) was created for the explicit purpose of reestablishing the Jewish national homeland in the biblical Land of Israel (notwithstanding the fact that the borders of Mandatory Palestine and the borders of the biblical Land of Israel were, in some places, not identical). The Preamble of the Mandate for Palestine (i.e., the trust’s governing instrument) states as its goal “... the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, it being understood that nothing should be done which might prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country ...”; and the Preamble thereof further declares that “... recognition has thereby been given to the historical connexion of the Jewish people with Palestine and to the grounds for reconstituting their national home in that country.”
Prior to its conquest by Great Britain during World War I, the non-sovereign territory of Palestine had been occupied, with brief interruptions, by the Ottoman Empire since 1517 and, before that, by an unbroken chain of empires stretching back in History to imperial Rome which, after crushing the third and final revolt of the Jewish people against its hated Occupation in 135, had changed the Land's name from Judea, the Latin-language word for which was Iudaea, meaning Land of the Jews, to Palestine, the Latin-language word for which was Palaestina, meaning Land of the Philistines (a long-extinct Aegean people who had disappeared from History more than 700 years earlier after being extirpated by the Babylonian Empire), as part of an unabashed effort to delegitimize any further national Jewish claims to the Land. Although, as further punishment for the uprising, the Romans also massacred and expelled much of the Land's Jewish population, the remainder thereof continued to reside throughout the Land (including the areas of Galilee, Negev, Arava, Judea, Samaria, Jerusalem, Gaza and Golan Heights) under the Roman and all successive Occupations -- including that of the colonialist Islamic Arab Empire commencing in the 7th Century -- through the advent of the Mandate for Palestine.
The Mandate for Palestine (i.e., the trust) was created for the explicit purpose of reestablishing the Jewish national homeland in the biblical Land of Israel (notwithstanding the fact that the borders of Mandatory Palestine and the borders of the biblical Land of Israel were, in some places, not identical). The Preamble of the Mandate for Palestine (i.e., the trust’s governing instrument) states as its goal “... the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, it being understood that nothing should be done which might prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country ...”; and the Preamble thereof further declares that “... recognition has thereby been given to the historical connexion of the Jewish people with Palestine and to the grounds for reconstituting their national home in that country.”
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chris27292729: End not a Trace of Palestinians,under Turkish Empire and under British Mandate???.
Hey Chris, did you find that proof yet or just stopping by to blather?
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Albertaghost: Hey Chris, did you find that proof yet or just stopping by to blather?
They are all Masters of the Limbo-Dance!
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What proof???
Albertaghost: Hey Chris, did you find that proof yet or just stopping by to blather?
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Any pirouette with your ballet costume on.
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Israel has been the agitator the last 50 years. Israel has killed 10 times the civilians as has the resistance fighters. I want Peace. A Just and Honorable, Lasting Peace. Not Netanyahus fantasy Peace. Where Israel gets everything and the Palestinian nothing. Its a con job. Everyone see it and is sickened by it. Israels reputation will forever be bloodied by this farce. You know it and so does the rest of the world.
SB...when you cannot say both agitated. Both killed. Both were aggressive.
Both used situations to their advantage....you have moved from a objective observer to a pundit of a side.
It is the not number killed in the past, SB. Peace is not determined by the deaths of the conflict. But by living men willing to put aside the past for a better tomorrow.
No one can bring the dead Muslims back. You know as I do...in Islam...each time that is mentioned and read by a Muslim....it calls for a continuation of this blood feud against Israel. For that is what this is. It is multi generation violence and terrorism. It get handed off by Islams blood feud law from one generation to the next.
So while you very say......"I want peace"...you also instigate at the conflict's base level.
Has Israel taken away Gaza from Hamas? No. We don't know what the border that Abbas/Netanhyu will agree to. So...you attack this merely to be pundit of Islam, Iran, Hezbolloh and Hamas. If you really cared about the Palestine, when you saw WoW GAZA vid.....you would have been outraged to see them treated like that by their own.
Why did Hamas wear the face masks in vids, SB? There was not a Isreali soldier within 15 miles of the WoW's vids. They wear them to keep their identities secret from the Palestines.
Now listen carefully, SB. The reason, I said "50 years of more blood". Is Iran. Iran will stir this pot and stir it and stir it. If the Abbas/
Netanhyu talks fail, for the next 50 years. Iran is not going to let another chance for peace to come. Everytime a Muslim or middle east leader...Sadat, Rafekiri, Mousavi, and many other moderates in the region that had stepped forward to making peace with Isreal. They get killed by a terrorist group or Iran.
So?
Your choice. Support a peace you consider dishonorable and one sided to Isreal. Or watch the next 50 years of Iran sponsored violence in the region to keep everyone from the peace table.
I would go for the peace. But that is just me.....