Peace in Israel (825)
SilverBirchSomewhere, Virginia USA17 Threads 4 Polls 3,158 PostsWhere is ms wow btw? Did she land a full 7 day vay Kay? 
I guess what good for the goose ,....
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SilverBirch: There you go ttom, in your typical condescending fashion, never do you offer any practical ideas. Like Al you just repeat the same old dogma.
No condeseceding to that....just a straight opinion and question,SB.
With out a first hand experience there....to which you have never admitted having.....how do you know what is going on there? Sean has first hand experience. He had formed a opinion, I can live with that.
I also gave him the knowledge to improve the Irish peace keeping mission if they go back to S. Lebanon. But you, SB? Have you Been there? Been to Israel?
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Blues63: Antisemitic, or anti-roman? Caligula had ordered the installation of a statue of himself in the Jewish temple, thus triggering the riots. The Romans, as a rule, respected Jewish customs, but Caligula chose to dominate in all areas.
Judea was a buffer zone between Imperial Rome and the Parthian Empire. On the whole, the Romans were content with the state ruled by client kings (i.e. the Herodian dynasty] and procurators under the governer of Antioch, however, they couldn't maintain domestic stability, therefore, the Romans often intervened by force. Continued rebellion against the Roman state forced the hand of Nero and Hadrian toward strict subjegation. Parthia was always waiting for the opportunity to capitalise upon regional instability.
Lay it on bro! Fer Real! But tell me. What is modern day Zionism trying to pull? There going to trip up sooner or later. And the fallout WILL be catastrophic Judea was a buffer zone between Imperial Rome and the Parthian Empire. On the whole, the Romans were content with the state ruled by client kings (i.e. the Herodian dynasty] and procurators under the governer of Antioch, however, they couldn't maintain domestic stability, therefore, the Romans often intervened by force. Continued rebellion against the Roman state forced the hand of Nero and Hadrian toward strict subjegation. Parthia was always waiting for the opportunity to capitalise upon regional instability.
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ttom500: No condeseceding to that....just a straight opinion and question,SB.
With out a first hand experience there....to which you have never admitted having.....how do you know what is going on there? Sean has first hand experience. He had formed a opinion, I can live with that.
I also gave him the knowledge to improve the Irish peace keeping mission if they go back to S. Lebanon. But you, SB? Have you Been there? Been to Israel?
If you only knew.With out a first hand experience there....to which you have never admitted having.....how do you know what is going on there? Sean has first hand experience. He had formed a opinion, I can live with that.
I also gave him the knowledge to improve the Irish peace keeping mission if they go back to S. Lebanon. But you, SB? Have you Been there? Been to Israel?
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SilverBirch: If you only knew.
So fill us in?
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SilverBirch: You can't pick and choose the United Nations resolutions you champion and ignore. The real world doesn't work that way.
That's right Silverbunny. Palestinians need to adhere to Resolution 181 in order for any of their contentions to be valid. Without adhering to it they have no right to any land or compalints about israel as they have no right to live in peace unless they too embrace the idea of it.
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SilverBirch: Lay it on bro! Fer Real! But tell me. What is modern day Zionism trying to pull? There going to trip up sooner or later. And the fallout WILL be catastrophic
You mean what is modern day Islam trying to pull? |after all, Hamas contends they are part of a larger Muslim nation.
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SilverBirch: Lay it on bro! Fer Real! But tell me. What is modern day Zionism trying to pull? There going to trip up sooner or later. And the fallout WILL be catastrophic
Excuse me, I wasn't talking to you. Deus and I obviously share the same interests, that is all.
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Albertaghost: You mean what is modern day Islam trying to pull? |after all, Hamas contends they are part of a larger Muslim nation.
Al, this isn't 1858. It's 2010. We have instant access to all the days events. It's against the law to build in the occupied territories. The entire world knows this. Hamas may have death to Israelis in their charter but Israel is killing people every day. Thousands at a time. This isn't something she can just sweep under the rug. It's not going to work. I and many like me aren't going to just "go away".------ This thread is Archived ------
Blues63: Excuse me, I wasn't talking to you. Deus and I obviously share the same interests, that is all.
Pardon, I just found it interesting.------ This thread is Archived ------
SilverBirch: Pardon, I just found it interesting.
Then it would appear that an apology is in order. Sorry, I, for some reason, interpreted that as sarcasm. Again, please excuse my behaviour.
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SilverBirch: Al, this isn't 1858. It's 2010. We have instant access to all the days events. It's against the law to build in the occupied territories. The entire world knows this. Hamas may have death to Israelis in their charter but Israel is killing people every day. Thousands at a time. This isn't something she can just sweep under the rug. It's not going to work. I and many like me aren't going to just "go away".
How can you tell us that Isreal killing 1000s of people a day....if you have not been there? I see TV and internet SB.....I don't see the mass grave in Palestine or the street burials of 1000s of Palestines. I see one or two at a time. With angered Palesintse....but 1000s a day? No
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jvaski: JESUS CHRIST ........You people should just get on a plane and got here .......rather than talking about all this crap for months on end ......
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Blues63: Antisemitic, or anti-roman? Caligula had ordered the installation of a statue of himself in the Jewish temple, thus triggering the riots. The Romans, as a rule, respected Jewish customs, but Caligula chose to dominate in all areas.
Judea was a buffer zone between Imperial Rome and the Parthian Empire. On the whole, the Romans were content with the state ruled by client kings (i.e. the Herodian dynasty] and procurators under the governer of Antioch, however, they couldn't maintain domestic stability, therefore, the Romans often intervened by force. Continued rebellion against the Roman state forced the hand of Nero and Hadrian toward strict subjegation. Parthia was always waiting for the opportunity to capitalise upon regional instability.
Judea was a buffer zone between Imperial Rome and the Parthian Empire. On the whole, the Romans were content with the state ruled by client kings (i.e. the Herodian dynasty] and procurators under the governer of Antioch, however, they couldn't maintain domestic stability, therefore, the Romans often intervened by force. Continued rebellion against the Roman state forced the hand of Nero and Hadrian toward strict subjegation. Parthia was always waiting for the opportunity to capitalise upon regional instability.
INside the Judaic community (already heterogeneus) there were many tendencies of action. In the second great revolt Bar Kobbah (sorry for the spelling, I do not remember it properly) provoked a Roman unleash of unseen violence that probably defined JUdaism (the Rabbinic times) for the next or two millenia.
Thanks for your historical points..
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I going to be frank with you SB.
There are different level (intensity) of military conflict. Low intensity...medium intensity... high instensity.
Unless you have Isreali troops inside GAZA or a West bank city....you have low or medium conflict levels. Most of the time the Isreali/Hamas conflict has been low intensity.
Check the number of days....Isreal has been inside the West bank or Gaza....on military operations....for say the last 5 years.....that is 1825 days.....tell us what percentage of the conflict has been high intensity? I am guessing but I bet it less than 12%.
There are different level (intensity) of military conflict. Low intensity...medium intensity... high instensity.
Unless you have Isreali troops inside GAZA or a West bank city....you have low or medium conflict levels. Most of the time the Isreali/Hamas conflict has been low intensity.
Check the number of days....Isreal has been inside the West bank or Gaza....on military operations....for say the last 5 years.....that is 1825 days.....tell us what percentage of the conflict has been high intensity? I am guessing but I bet it less than 12%.
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Just because I doubted you would give the answer, SB.
I decided to
Here are the dates of Isreal occupation of GAZA or West Bank cities in the last 5 years
The Second Infitada ended in 2005/The Isreali Seige of Samara and Nabual were in 2002
2006......GAZA...................June 28th to Nov 26........... 164 days
2008-9 GAZA (0peration Cast Lead)Dec 27th to Jan 12........ 21 days
That it SB. Total of 189 days of high intensity conflict in last 1825 days. Or 10.3% of the last 5 years were in high intensity conflict between Isreal and Palestines.
I decided to
Here are the dates of Isreal occupation of GAZA or West Bank cities in the last 5 years
The Second Infitada ended in 2005/The Isreali Seige of Samara and Nabual were in 2002
2006......GAZA...................June 28th to Nov 26........... 164 days
2008-9 GAZA (0peration Cast Lead)Dec 27th to Jan 12........ 21 days
That it SB. Total of 189 days of high intensity conflict in last 1825 days. Or 10.3% of the last 5 years were in high intensity conflict between Isreal and Palestines.
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Antjo39: Just one seeing Alby, be always careful with your distinctions between Hamas and Palestinians. Sometimes you confuse them too much in your discourse ..is it the effect of the human shield propaganda??
Actually not confusing them as Hamas is the government of Gaza and the PA the West bank. Both have the destruction of Israel as the centerpiece of their policy with the PA inheriting theirs from the PLO and, over the years have said they would remove it but actually have not done so. hence, it remains.
Antjo39: How about Christmas dinner?
Actually had it already as was volunteering over at the local Lions free charity dinner. Thanks though, hope yours is great and all is quiet.
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Albertaghost: Actually not confusing them as Hamas is the government of Gaza and the PA the West bank. Both have the destruction of Israel as the centerpiece of their policy with the PA inheriting theirs from the PLO and, over the years have said they would remove it but actually have not done so. hence, it remains.
Actually had it already as was volunteering over at the local Lions free charity dinner. Thanks though, hope yours is great and all is quiet.
That is nice Alby... doing charity. Actually had it already as was volunteering over at the local Lions free charity dinner. Thanks though, hope yours is great and all is quiet.
Well, here my family is Christian so I join them in their celebration. It is alright.
Well, I am getting ready for the next round of this endless fight,so see you later mate... keep in shape...
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ttom500: Just because I doubted you would give the answer, SB.
I decided to
Here are the dates of Isreal occupation of GAZA or West Bank cities in the last 5 years
The Second Infitada ended in 2005/The Isreali Seige of Samara and Nabual were in 2002
2006......GAZA...................June 28th to Nov 26........... 164 days
2008-9 GAZA (0peration Cast Lead)Dec 27th to Jan 12........ 21 days
That it SB. Total of 189 days of high intensity conflict in last 1825 days. Or 10.3% of the last 5 years were in high intensity conflict between Isreal and Palestines.
Well apparently you, like wow, see absolutely nothing wrong with killing nearly 1400 people in Cast Lead in retaliation for them trying to disperse land thieves.I decided to
Here are the dates of Isreal occupation of GAZA or West Bank cities in the last 5 years
The Second Infitada ended in 2005/The Isreali Seige of Samara and Nabual were in 2002
2006......GAZA...................June 28th to Nov 26........... 164 days
2008-9 GAZA (0peration Cast Lead)Dec 27th to Jan 12........ 21 days
That it SB. Total of 189 days of high intensity conflict in last 1825 days. Or 10.3% of the last 5 years were in high intensity conflict between Isreal and Palestines.
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SilverBirch: Well apparently you, like wow, see absolutely nothing wrong with killing nearly 1400 people in Cast Lead in retaliation for them trying to disperse land thieves.
If the Palestinians had any land that was theirs to begin with and, if it was stolen you might have a point but, since Palestinians refused their one and only opportunity to have land of their own and didn't have any, how could it be stolen?
And, how can any person legitimately say that continuing making war on another nation by lobbing rockets indiscriminately at women and children is legitimate and, doing it when you know that you are endangering your own people as Israel has to attempt to stop you even though you are doing it in the middle of those people leaving Israel no choice but to endanger the lives of those people as you have done. So, as it is an illegal act to do so and, especially so when you deliberately use your own women and children as willing or unwilling human shields it is never an illegal act to defend yourself from a threat, how are the deaths Israel's fault?
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