Peace in Israel (825)
ttom500: They did not fire on the 82nd when it was doing peace keeping on the Golden Heights, Sean. The 82nd was under the UN then. Maybe our 82nd was doing a more impartial job of peace keeping?
I read a Irish staff report after your started posting here....of a Irish deployed unit was coming home ....the line remember...."While our sympathies lie with the Lebanonese people, we have have attempted to remain neutral."
Seanie.....what is that? I mean I have read enough military talk to know what is being said there. That you went there with sympathies to the local Lebanese (including Hezbollah). Then if a Hezbollah near your position triggered off a round at Isreal...you were not going to report it. But that return defensive fire from Isreal.....was going to make your reports.
I read a Irish staff report after your started posting here....of a Irish deployed unit was coming home ....the line remember...."While our sympathies lie with the Lebanonese people, we have have attempted to remain neutral."
Seanie.....what is that? I mean I have read enough military talk to know what is being said there. That you went there with sympathies to the local Lebanese (including Hezbollah). Then if a Hezbollah near your position triggered off a round at Isreal...you were not going to report it. But that return defensive fire from Isreal.....was going to make your reports.
ttom of course we symphatise with the lebanese people there being bombed night and day by the Israelis thats why we are there but no we have had big problems with the Hezbullah everyday in fact. We dont have any Hezbullah symphathies so no thats not included we built orphanages for the homeless and orphaned children and employed people in south lebanon and kept there economy going while it was being bombed that was our role and a lot of humanitarian work was done. we reported every round that was fired that was our job whether it was hezbullah imaal militia or Israelis or south lebanese army . every single round was logged. we were not repeat not able to return fire to Israel simply because we didnt have the fire power. our job was to stop hizbullah attacking the Israeli compounds. my first trip was on the check points and on a daily basis we had terrible problems from hezbullah and immall militia. seizing there kalashnikovs and rpgs only to be fired upon that night by them and when they finished firing at us then the israelis would open up on us. So ttom what does one do. im not anti israeli in any shape or form im telling it as it is here.
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You are offensive and clueless which is a dangerous combo. Get out if you are so filled with hatred for the Israelis. I have the right to my opinions and to post them here. I know far more about the situation than you ever will.
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southbaynative: ^^That's because the UN "peacekeepers" as we've seen on here are not unbiased as they should be but rather on the side of Arab terrorists. No loss if one of them is hit as I said before.
how you mean unbiased who would be on the side of arab terrorists as they have killed our troops also you have no idea what is going on and maybe you should have a more informed responce to what youre talking about before you post here. my friends have been killed over there by both israelis and hezbullah alike so dont tell me we take sides. better still hop on a plane and see for yerself girl
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southbaynative: You are offensive and clueless which is a dangerous combo. Get out if you are so filled with hatred for the Israelis. I have the right to my opinions and to post them here. I know far more about the situation than you ever will.
have you read any of my posts i have no hatred for Israelis as i have a nice few Israeli friends youre opinions are not valid simply because they are untrue and plain idiotic and how dare you wish that terrorists should have shot us how dare you . you have absolutely no idea of whats going on there and you know nothing about whats going on. in what post have i wished anybody dead like you have ????
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seanieboy77: ttom of course we symphatise with the lebanese people there being bombed night and day by the Israelis thats why we are there but no we have had big problems with the Hezbullah everyday in fact. We dont have any Hezbullah symphathies so no thats not included we built orphanages for the homeless and orphaned children and employed people in south lebanon and kept there economy going while it was being bombed that was our role and a lot of humanitarian work was done. we reported every round that was fired that was our job whether it was hezbullah imaal militia or Israelis or south lebanese army . every single round was logged. we were not repeat not able to return fire to Israel simply because we didnt have the fire power. our job was to stop hizbullah attacking the Israeli compounds. my first trip was on the check points and on a daily basis we had terrible problems from hezbullah and immall militia. seizing there kalashnikovs and rpgs only to be fired upon that night by them and when they finished firing at us then the israelis would open up on us. So ttom what does one do. im not anti israeli in any shape or form im telling it as it is here.
But that comes back to the same issue we had in Iraq. How do you tell a civilian from a fighter.
But point on the sound location detector is this. Who was first breaking the ceasefire at the time? With the location dectectors you have evidence. There is a computer data recording of were the shot is made from. That is scientific evidence to the location.
It is better than written log, that you ears are taking direction on. At night, in hills, with weather.....the sounds of gun fire reverberates off the hillsides and low clouds. So they will question your logs. Even though you have done them the best you can. But the computer data......that they have trouble with in discrediting. It is like a black box in a aircraft accident.
There is a pretty good chance that you or other Irish will be going back there. Advise them go back with location detectors. Then if is Isreali that are breaking the ceasefire....hang em in the media and at the UN. If is Hezbolloh....take it to the Lebanon gov't first then to to the UN.
The Irish lost 46 peace keepers. A terrible lost of men on a peace keeping mission. They only way to stop it from happening again is to nail (with evidence)the party or parties that broke the cease fire that were placing you into danger. Just my two cents.....
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seanieboy77: The island of Ireland is not the nation of England northern island is still the occupied 6 counties of Ireland and from a nationalist point of view which is most people on this island the aim is to make the 32 counties united as it was meant to be and under the good friday agreement this will be met within time as to how the majority of people in this area agree it will be done so if israel and the arabs were to get an agreement in line with what has happened in ireland north and south things could be a bit easier if people actually talked which they dont do over there
You said;
"yes this is what hamas does it uses civilians as shields so why not go in and blow the whole lot out of it whether its right or not eh. maybe look at northern ireland when youre talking like this because its very similiar and if it happened in \
ireland or BRITAIN yOU WOULD BE UP IN ARMS ABOUT IT. "
So, how is it similar if it is not similar? As I said, it bears no similarity so forgive me if I have to ask why you feel it is similar.
I said; "Ireland does not propose that it will ever, under any circumstance destroy and populate the nation of England nor does it attack the people of England with firing positions centered in areas with civilian supporters who have vowed they will die for those attacks to enable a propaganda victory to the world when the inevitable and justifiable preventive attacks occur to stop the attacks on their civilians."
Palestinians do the above. So, how is this situation similar to Northern Ireland?
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Peace.
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SilverBirch: Peace.
Hey SB, I don't see much peace going on in Israel right now with the 2 tourists stabbed and one dying and the frequent attacks from Gaza. And Israel hitting 7 Gaza sites where the rockets are being fired from.
OK, now you have it. Peace
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SilverBirch: Peace.
Peace in Israel...yeah right SB!! You know the routine.
Analysis: A New Kind of Intifada
by Chana Ya'ar (Israel News Dec 21 2010)
On Sunday, a group of Arab youths attacked a group of Jewish tourists walking along the Ramparts on the Old City Walls, about 15 minutes past the Lion’s Gate. The attackers hurled melon-sized rocks at the tourists, who fled in panic. No one was reported physically injured in the attack.
There has been an upswing in Arab terrorist attacks on Jews over the past month, according to the Israel Security Agency (Shin Bet).
According to the latest statistics, there were a total of 52 attacks last month, compared to 44 in October. This included 10 attacks in the Jerusalem area, as opposed to six attacks a month earlier, in October. There were 20 attacks in Judea and Samaria last month and the same number in October.
Of the 30 attacks in November, only one was due to a rock attack; the rest were firebombs that were hurled at their victims. In the Gaza Belt area, there were 22 attacks, compared with 18 in October. Four of the attacks were rocket launchings, 12 were mortar shellings, four were small arms shootings and two were anti-tank missile launchings. One Israeli citizen was wounded on November 18, when a rock was hurled at him in Judea. An Israeli officer was likewise injured in October when he was targeted in a firebomb attack in Jerusalem.
In addition to the above, throughout November, five rockets and 28 mortar shells were fired at Israel in 16 different attacks, compared with three rockets and 20 mortar shells fired in 13 attacks in the month prior. Moreover, for the first time since the end of Operation Cast Lead, Israel’s counter terrorist war against the Hamas rulers of Gaza, a long-range Grad Katyusha rocket was fired from the region at Ofakim.
A senior official with the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP) meanwhile announced Sunday that terrorists groups based in the Fatah-led Palestinian Authority have formally decided to launch a third intifada - an Arab word for "uprising."
“The decision to return to the popular intifada has been taken and at present the problem is the method of practice,” Jarrar commented to the Iranian Fars News Agency. “Ending all internal differences and reviving unity and integrity in Palestine is the solution to all problems of the Palestinians,” she added. It was not clear why Jarrar, who is based in Ramallah, was speaking with FNA.
Arson, Ecological Damage are New Weapons
Although the raging inferno that swept through the northern Carmel area earlier this month was started by accident, at least 25 other fires followed in other forests that were not. Arsonists targeted the “Peace Forest” outside Jerusalem 18 times in the past month, but few of the fires were reported in the Israeli media.
The Hebrew-language daily Ma’ariv quoted police who said the attacks were deliberately hushed up “so as not to inspire action by more potential terrorists.” The newspaper referred to the situation as “a true intifada” and warned that leftist Israel media are soft-pedaling attacks by Arab terrorists.
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SilverBirch: Peace.
And another:
Resolute Israeli Response
by Hillel Fendel (Israel News 21 Dec 2010)
The Israel Air Force's attack on seven Gaza targets last night was the strongest in the past two years, ever since Israel's counterterrorist Cast Lead campaign. So say top IDF sources, adding that the objective was to "send a clear message to the terrorists of Hamas that the situation cannot continue as is."
The Israeli response followed the firing from Gaza of at least a dozen mortar shells and rockets at Israel over the past two days, as well as other attacks in the past two weeks. Tuesday morning, following the IAF strike, Hamas terrorists fired a Kassam rocket at Israel, lightly wounding a 15-year-old girl and damaging several buildings.
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Turkey PM: Israel to blame for deadlock in Mideast Peace talks.
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LILLYLADY: Hey SB, I don't see much peace going on in Israel right now with the 2 tourists stabbed and one dying and the frequent attacks from Gaza. And Israel hitting 7 Gaza sites where the rockets are being fired from.
OK, now you have it. Peace
OK, now you have it. Peace
Sb does not want to talk about that....it might give him indigestion
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ttom500: Sb does not want to talk about that....it might give him indigestion
Turkey's prime minister on Tuesday blamed Israeli "intransigence" for the deadlock in Mideast peace talks and called on the international community to work toward breaking the impasse.
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There's that darn "international community" thing, AGAIN!
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SilverBirch: There's that darn "international community" thing, AGAIN!
"We are concerned that U.S. efforts to start direct talks between Israel and the Palestinians were left unsolved due to Israel's intransigence," Erdogan said. "Under these conditions, the international community and countries of the region must engage in more intense efforts for a peace opening."
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SilverBirch: "We are concerned that U.S. efforts to start direct talks between Israel and the Palestinians were left unsolved due to Israel's intransigence," Erdogan said. "Under these conditions, the international community and countries of the region must engage in more intense efforts for a peace opening."
That is pretty big words, SB..........I am sure that many in the region would want Abbas and Netanyhu to come to terms on peace.
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ttom500: That is pretty big words, SB..........I am sure that many in the region would want Abbas and Netanyhu to come to terms on peace.
Ga'head tom. Break out the big boy dictionary and look up intransigence". It's a nice way of saying that they have no intention of offering ANYTHING WHAT SO EVER. THE ONLY WAY THERE ARE GOING TO BE ANY CONCESSIONS IS BY DIRECTION BY THE INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY. 
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SilverBirch: Ga'head tom. Break out the big boy dictionary and look up intransigence". It's a nice way of saying that they have no intention of offering ANYTHING WHAT SO EVER. THE ONLY WAY THERE ARE GOING TO BE ANY CONCESSIONS IS BY DIRECTION BY THE INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY.
If it is a fair, just and honorable peace that the immediate regional countries can work between the two parties. I have not problem with that.
I say let them return Isreal to its original state in the old testament.
When all of Jersaslem, West Bank and the Golden Height were in Isreal.
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ttom500: If it is a fair, just and honorable peace that the immediate regional countries can work between the two parties. I have not problem with that.
I say let them return Isreal to its original state in the old testament.
When all of Jersaslem, West Bank and the Golden Height were in Isreal.
I say let them return Isreal to its original state in the old testament.
When all of Jersaslem, West Bank and the Golden Height were in Isreal.
Very good point.I agree with this border assessment. Afterall, if the arabs have Abraham as their forefather also, then these borders are really what should be, not the 1967 borders.
Ttom, you really hit the nail on the head with this one. Afterall, this squabbling is a disrespect to their forefather. The Land of Milk and Honey had very large borders.
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. really ttom im not telling lies i came down from dinner one day from the headquarters driving a bus full of troops and the israeli compounds opened up zeroing practise right in front of our bus grounding me to a halt not knowing what to do.
i can see you're point thinking that fire would be fired upon us from another force but no we actually know whos firing at us ttom and this is not just night ttom. and to just correct you ttom i dont have any natural sympathies towards the lebanese people i just see with my own 2 eyes whats going on my friend.
we logged all firing close and firing for effect and all logged for us to fire in any shape or form in lebanon it was peace keeping as opposed to peace enforcement which we encountered in Somalia. so if we fired our weapons in anger we would end up in court explaining ourselves if we did something stupid.
this is a place i have served and hence i have no allegiences towards lebanese people nor the israeli people i speak the truth as i have seen it with my own 2 eyes. i also have seen the hezbullah kill our troops so i have no muslims sympathies but i hate heavy handed methods especially when our job was to stop any hezbullah from attacking Israeli compounds. The Israelis were showing us there heavy hands and basically just telling us that they dont give a fiddlers about us so we were in the middle doing our best to stop attacks to there compounds ttom