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Feb 27, 2011 8:27 AM CST Ayahuasca path
Once in Pelechuco (Bolivia), I joined an old donkey driver in his way to Rurrenabaque area, deep into the Amazon jungle. I badly needed a guide there. Two years before I had been lost in the maze of Andean passes, gorges and high-altitude forest. After some offerings made at Akhamani and Kellacota, we abandoned the spectacular Kallawaya trail and followed precipitous paths toward the high Andean passes. Our descend was so eventful with many friendly people but warm, so after four days, we arrived at the river where this shaman was spending the season collecting plants and looking for some sort of earth and stones. I had in my mind to have my first experience with Ayahuasca, so my companion translated my intentions to the shaman. He was a short man worn in a white cotton gown, short hair, muscular and stocky. He said that I had to wait for the new moon. I spent an eventful time there and the shaman slowly showed me how to bath in the river, how to recognise an edible plant, and how to stay away from the cheeky spirits always curious with the strangers.
The night we undertook the Ayahuasca ceremony, two women turned up. I had never seen them but Francisco, the donkey driver, told me that they were seeking cure to their physical ailments.
The ceremony was undertaken in a little hut, the shaman did the long preparations and eventually drank the liquid from a little vase made out of bark. We all watched him and grabbed our hands. The chanting from him started becoming sharper and sharper, and we fell into the magnetism created by his voice and inspiration. Next I took the liquid. It was a little dry in my tongue but it also tasted like wood and flowers. I drank my portion, and followed the indications of the shaman. He sat down on the ground,and that was the last thing I can recall from the session itself. A blast in my mind opened up somethign and I started feeling the rumour of the animals in their shelters, the trees pumping sap and the heart of the jungle beating and producing a hissing sound. Everything became clear, everything of the sort never thought or experienced. And then my mother-side grandfather was sittign down on the ground. I had come to talk to him and he was there wearing the gown of the shaman and telling me that the sorrow was deep in my heart, that he could tell me now all what I wanted to know about our family and the thigns that have been torturing me for many years.
The state lasted many hours, and the words turned music and then that hissing sound filling my brain with so many things I had never heard before, so when I woke up my hands were touching the ground, and I felt that I did not want to move in order to keep the feeling of peace and light. The shaman had gone, it was already dawn,and then all of a sudden I felt my face wet with tears, tears sent as a hopeful message from a world our people lost long ago. sad flower
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Feb 27, 2011 8:34 AM CST Ayahuasca path
tomcatwarne
tomcatwarnetomcatwarneOcean City, Plumouth, Devon, England UK289 Threads 7 Polls 17,106 Posts
GFinnish spell against toothache


A 'stinking dog' that biteth bone, a hound that teareth at the jaw threw his peas, pressed down his beans 1 into

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a very old man's jaw, into his aching teeth. The aged one drooped, the old man died, from the unusual disease, from the gnawing of the 'dog,' from being torn by Lempo's hound.'

The short old woman, Tuoni's girl, into his jawbone drove a nail, that had been forged three times, with her tongue she salved the pains, the toothache sufferings, and uttered certain words of hers:

'May the salt sound forth propitiously for the good soothsayer (lukija) near thee, may the old man from sleep arise, may he be free to stand upright.'

From his sleep the old man rose, he was free to stand upright as in his former life, as in his previous way.
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O 'stinking cur dog,' 'Tuoni's hound,' thou kitchen-cook,' thou 'fire-place screen,' that liest beneath the devil's tongs, his son, the offspring of the evil one, with eyes askew, with crooked jaw, thou spark of hellish fire, hast thou sent here thy 'beans,' hast thou cast here thy 'peas,' hast sent them secretly to eat and publicly to whine, to eat, to gnaw, to fret, to bite, to distend the jaws, to hack the teeth, the charming jaws, the cherished teeth?
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I have a pair of tiny tongs, of pincers ever adequate, with which I draw out 'Tuoni's grub,' and slay the 'worm of Manala'; I take the eater from tree, from bone, extract it from a human skin.

But if thou pay no heed thereto, do not this very moment cease from gnawing, tearing, and from grubbing in, O Hiisi's dog, I'll bend my willow bow, prepare my

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shaft of alderwood, with which I'll shoot down Tuoni's grub, fell the bone-biter with a bang, shoot the Hitto through the sleeve, the evil being through the beard, crush the gnawing worm inside, the destroyer of the jaw.

If that should insufficient prove, I still remember other means. There are stones on the hill of Kimmola, upon the steadfast mountain slope, with which I'll grind thee into dust, shall in a mortar pound thy lips, shall with a pestle thresh thy head, split thine abominable teeth.

If after that thou pay no heed, I have a little sleigh of logs, of birch, of hard-wood logs, of solid rowan logs, of evil alder-buckthorn logs, and of reliable tarred logs, with which I'll set thy house on fire, and kindle, wretch, thy bed of straw.

If after that thou pay no heed, dost not give way the very least, I shall discover some new dodge, some five or six that are cleverer. I'll carry thee among the coals, ’neath Ilmarinen's forge. Thy coat will burn, thy skin will peel between the pincers of the smith, in the agonising fire.

And if that still is not enough, I send thee off into the fire of Hiitola, into the evil power's flames, into the iron frying-pan, into the evil baking-pan. There will thy feathers melt away, thy downy feathers give off fumes. Thou’lt roast, O worm of Manala, wilt frizzle well, O Tuoni's grub, in the glow of Hiisi's coals, in the evil baking-pan.


cool cool cool cool cool cool cool angel devil devil
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Feb 27, 2011 9:07 AM CST Ayahuasca path
invinciblemuse
invinciblemuseinvinciblemuseDresden, Saxony Germany38 Threads 2 Polls 6,026 Posts
That sounds amazing - thanks for sharing. hug
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Feb 28, 2011 7:02 AM CST Ayahuasca path
invinciblemuse: That sounds amazing - thanks for sharing.
The trip, the stay and the ceremony are part of an initiating ritual. A never ending processs. The return to your previous life is always lack of commitment.
I do not know exactly what the shamans can think about that. They are here to spread their knowledge and help. Never ever a true shaman would charge for his teachings or for the knowledge revealed through the sessions.
In the jungle I have found, in other ocassions, some organised retreats, usually run by psychodelic Westerners offering those trips, healing sessions and communication with the spirits. In fact all that stuff could never have the basic rules needed to initiation. People would never go to be uncomfortable in the jungle or through hardships eating stuff is needed to eat before the sessions. And the money in between is certainly an aspect strange to the Ayawasca revelations.

The power of the right combinations of the brew alongside the guide of the shaman produce enormous amazing long-term effects in the mind and body. bouquet
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Feb 28, 2011 8:32 AM CST Ayahuasca path
emmaline
emmalineemmalineatlanta, Georgia USA6 Threads 1,685 Posts
Antjo39: The trip, the stay and the ceremony are part of an initiating ritual. A never ending processs. The return to your previous life is always lack of commitment.
I do not know exactly what the shamans can think about that. They are here to spread their knowledge and help. Never ever a true shaman would charge for his teachings or for the knowledge revealed through the sessions.
In the jungle I have found, in other ocassions, some organised retreats, usually run by psychodelic Westerners offering those trips, healing sessions and communication with the spirits. In fact all that stuff could never have the basic rules needed to initiation. People would never go to be uncomfortable in the jungle or through hardships eating stuff is needed to eat before the sessions. And the money in between is certainly an aspect strange to the Ayawasca revelations.

The power of the right combinations of the brew alongside the guide of the shaman produce enormous amazing long-term effects in the mind and body.


hug

what an amazing experience antonio teddybear
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Feb 28, 2011 9:07 AM CST Ayahuasca path
anblu45
anblu45anblu45treviso, Veneto Italy31 Threads 2 Polls 731 Posts
In response to: Antjo39




you are in the spiritual path when in harmony with nature, with the cosmic element, the planet is full of cosmic energy point ..............because the positive energy is in you, when you find out it in your self well you are in that strange path ( almost strange to the other ppl )


l mean is not necessary to go in Bolivia or other places the divine path is in you................and you are your shaman


ps: enjoy this forum with fun..................trust me l'm a shaman too







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Feb 28, 2011 11:38 AM CST Ayahuasca path
anblu45: you are in the spiritual path when in harmony with nature, with the cosmic element, the planet is full of cosmic energy point ..............because the positive energy is in you, when you find out it in your self well you are in that strange path ( almost strange to the other ppl )l mean is not necessary to go in Bolivia or other places the divine path is in you................and you are your shamanps: enjoy this forum with fun..................trust me l'm a shaman too
I agree, those manifestations are not only in South America but everywhere, particularly in the self.
The big problem is that we do not know how to activate those forces, while the shamans have lived many lives before and have got the knowledge previously accumulated to know how to guide people. I am glad to know that you are a shaman, what kind of knowledge do you possess? I am always curious to know.
BY the way, those traditions from the Kallawayas (Andean people) or the Tsimane, Esse Ejja, Tacana, etc (jungle peoples) do not belong to any INca tradition. Inca empire was very short, had a very destructive impact in Andean civilization but everything in the Andes should not be reduced to Inca.
It bothers me for example that the Kallaways are called "the Inca doctors" when that is only a supposition useful to promote tours organised by bgi companies in the area. That trip I described briefly here started from the Kallawaya territory, the Apolobamba mountains, one of the last retreats of nature and spirituality. The Kallawayas (whose name means "The medicine carriers") became famous in the southearn part of America because of their healing techniques and their long pligrimage in search of medicines. Sometimes, a shaman had a dream and visualised the plant he needed to cure someone calling him from the distance. The soul of the shaman had usually parted before and then other doctors or shamans did the long trip tp get the location of the miraculous plant. This practice continues until today but with the enormous limitations created by artificial modern life.
As for Ayahuasca, the Kallawayas have different methods to prepare and use but also different perceptions to the jungle people. In my trip, I wanted to learn the initiation process in the jungle, as it seemed to me a more hostile environment -at first sight- to adapt than the High Mountains were I was born.

The old masters are dissapearing and leaving their inheritance to very few people/descents. When they dissapear this knowledge will dissapear with them. bouquet
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Feb 28, 2011 1:36 PM CST Ayahuasca path
anblu45
anblu45anblu45treviso, Veneto Italy31 Threads 2 Polls 731 Posts
In response to: Antjo39I agree, those manifestations are not only in South America but everywhere, particularly in the self.
The big problem is that we do not know how to activate those forces, while the shamans have lived many lives before and have got the knowledge previously accumulated to know how to guide people. I am glad to know that you are a shaman, what kind of knowledge do you possess? I am always curious to know.


The old masters are dissapearing and leaving their inheritance to very few people/descents. When they dissapear this knowledge will dissapear with them.





the ancient knowledge will not desapear
this is a multidimension reality
the shaman has the key to contact a different dimension
you do not talk with a shaman you are talking with a entity by him
he does what the entity suggest to do
ppl calling it knowledge this mean innatural ability to contact spirit dimension entity
there is a cave full of gold and precious stone around your mountains but there is an anatema on it ..........the Inca anatema???.............l will give you more info

bye for now
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Mar 1, 2011 12:24 AM CST Ayahuasca path
GingerBe
GingerBeGingerBeDonegal, Ireland2 Threads 3,106 Posts
anblu45: sorry but l'm not so sure about this, open certain brain areas is not so positive for every-one, it would be as to introduce a force in a not trained brain ..............totally negative.a great Italian medium did discover a parallel dimension where the color yellow and green represented a immense energy power but to have the control on it you need an adeguate brain.
in this dimension our skill to percive the reality is conditioned by speedy space and time so is our brain limited by this factors?
when you share a medianic experience do your brain need something to alterate your perciving system? but you need this, for sure not the medium because his brain is able to control the trip in a different dimension


I'd agrew with this. too many people led to believe that everyone can do this,a nd that it works the same for everyone. It is not true. Some do not have the capacity to benefit from it, and some would try it for the wrong reasons. I think that sacred ceremonies are just that, sacred, and for the few to practice who have trained for it, usually over many years.wine
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Mar 1, 2011 12:24 AM CST Ayahuasca path
anblu45: sorry but l'm not so sure about this, open certain brain areas is not so positive for every-one, it would be as to introduce a force in a not trained brain ..............totally negative.a great Italian medium did discover a parallel dimension where the color yellow and green represented a immense energy power but to have the control on it you need an adeguate brain.
in this dimension our skill to percive the reality is conditioned by speedy space and time so is our brain limited by this factors?
when you share a medianic experience do your brain need something to alterate your perciving system? but you need this, for sure not the medium because his brain is able to control the trip in a different dimension
You do not have to be sorry becaue I never meant an untrained mind. An Ayahuasca master guides an initiator, and the initiator has to go through a period of preparations. This is under the judgement of the master. I think I mention this before. That is also why the psychodelic retreats for westerners to come and pay their money for an Ayahuasca experience do not work. First, those "shamans" are not shamans at all (in the only possible acceptable way), second, the retreats offer comfort and avoid hardships which is an element strange to the preparations, and thirdly they are moved by greed and money (which can spur the development of technology or science but never spiritual experience)
Well, as for the limitations of the human brain, sure they are there. Shamans control certain aspects of that hidden world -however powerful they are- and their lives consist in constantly enlarging the limits.

Can you give us the name of that powerful medium please?
As for your previous point of the anatema, yes, somehow there is also an Inca anatema in the Andes? have you heard of the deeds of Inca Pachacutec? WEll, you said that you would tell me something else...just don´t forget your kind promise.
bouquet
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Mar 1, 2011 12:28 AM CST Ayahuasca path
GingerBe: I'd agrew with this. too many people led to believe that everyone can do this,a nd that it works the same for everyone. It is not true. Some do not have the capacity to benefit from it, and some would try it for the wrong reasons. I think that sacred ceremonies are just that, sacred, and for the few to practice who have trained for it, usually over many years.
The chosen ones, the selected ones, those that truly guided their people for many millenia until the materialistic needs and acquisitions took over.
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Mar 1, 2011 12:39 AM CST Ayahuasca path
GingerBe
GingerBeGingerBeDonegal, Ireland2 Threads 3,106 Posts
Antjo39: The chosen ones, the selected ones, those that truly guided their people for many millenia until the materialistic needs and acquisitions took over.


It can be done different ways in different cultures. We have shamen here too, (nothing to do with wiccca or new age witchery etc), real true shamen, often women in our custom, who quietly have the knowledge, and always help people without monetary gain.

I think it is the same the world over, in that those who are true, never charge, nor ask anyting of anyone, and they certainly never advertise what they do.

Here the journeys are rarely helped by the use of drugs of any kind, or even herbs. The connections do require that oneness with nature though, so in that they are similar.wine
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Mar 1, 2011 12:47 AM CST Ayahuasca path
CuspofMagic
CuspofMagicCuspofMagiclight, South Australia Australia278 Threads 7,904 Posts
All very interesting . by an average mind do you mean an open mind- one that is not susceptible to the constant noise of this consumerist society most of us live in?
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Mar 1, 2011 12:52 AM CST Ayahuasca path
GingerBe
GingerBeGingerBeDonegal, Ireland2 Threads 3,106 Posts
CuspofMagic: All very interesting . by an average mind do you mean an open mind- one that is not susceptible to the constant noise of this consumerist society most of us live in?
Here, it is a mind that embraces more, not less, but has a different quality..........wine
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Mar 1, 2011 1:16 AM CST Ayahuasca path
anblu45
anblu45anblu45treviso, Veneto Italy31 Threads 2 Polls 731 Posts
In response to: Antjo39

Can you give us the name of that powerful medium please?
As for your previous point of the anatema, yes, somehow there is also an Inca anatema in the Andes? have you heard of the deeds of Inca Pachacutec? WEll, you said that you would tell me something else...just don´t forget your kind promise.





Gustavo Rol


it seems that the Inca's treasure is hidden in Chile, but after years of research nothing was found, according to a Russian medium the ancient treasure should be closed inside a cave accessible by a complex tunnels system, the medium says that the outer wall cave is above the sea (the only way to discover it,via ocean), unfortunately she does not give the nautical coordinates to reach it
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Mar 1, 2011 1:25 AM CST Ayahuasca path
CuspofMagic
CuspofMagicCuspofMagiclight, South Australia Australia278 Threads 7,904 Posts
GingerBe: Here, it is a mind that embraces more, not less, but has a different quality..........


I suppose "The More" is of meaningful quality...
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Mar 1, 2011 1:26 AM CST Ayahuasca path
CuspofMagic
CuspofMagicCuspofMagiclight, South Australia Australia278 Threads 7,904 Posts
anblu45: Gustavo Rolit seems that the Inca's treasure is hidden in Chile, but after years of research nothing was found, according to a Russian medium the ancient treasure should be closed inside a cave accessible by a complex tunnels system, the medium says that the outer wall cave is above the sea (the only way to discover it,via ocean), unfortunately she does not give the nautical coordinates to reach it


perhaps the treasure may be like the holy grail
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Mar 1, 2011 1:30 AM CST Ayahuasca path
CuspofMagic
CuspofMagicCuspofMagiclight, South Australia Australia278 Threads 7,904 Posts
Antjo would you have a link to more info on this thats credible?
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Mar 1, 2011 8:32 AM CST Ayahuasca path
anblu45
anblu45anblu45treviso, Veneto Italy31 Threads 2 Polls 731 Posts
CuspofMagic: perhaps the treasure may be like the holy grail






everything is possible but consider that a moltitude of interested ppl is seeking for it




well if you are ancient treasure interested get a vacation in Venice there is a lagoon area forbiden ---close-up---- to all ppl tourist and not tourist, if you simply walk in that area you can find out Roman and Venetian archeo-repert l mean swords helmet and many other things -------------be careful-----------a special police corps ( they do only this activity ) control the restriced area to enyone found in that place--there is not excuse--jailed, anyway you can visit the altino museum is very interesting so are the Roman temple built in the Venetian islands
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Mar 1, 2011 8:34 AM CST Ayahuasca path
jahzah
jahzahjahzahHappyfairygoblinland, Victoria Australia19 Threads 2 Polls 2,574 Posts
A journey i need to take soon daydream
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