USA and Peace (127)
ali110: Should USA play its role for peace of the world specialy in the Mid east ,Can usa do something ?
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kidatheart: Could you please try to be slightly less dramatic while you're deflecting, and evading the question?
You can always answer, "I don't know", that would at least be an honest answer.
You can always answer, "I don't know", that would at least be an honest answer.
p.s.... was just turning around the question. See, I didn't state that the US never did anything in it's own interest and, of course, it was a stupid question to ask if it did. Every country will do things in it's own interest.
It's everything else we need to QUIT doing. Thought I said that already?
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gardenhackle: So you're implying that none of the USA sortees around the globe were on purely humanitarian grounds? You wouldn't be the only one saying such things and I'm becoming used to it, which is precisely why Americans are more and more feeling like responding to cries for American intervention in ANYTHING with a big one-finger salute. If we're going to be accused of doing everything for our own self-interests only, then we might as do just that. No financial aid. No troops for peacekeeping missions. No interference, military or disaster aid. Not unless it's entirely in our own self interest because sure as hell that's what we're going to hear whether it was or wasn't, anyway.
Of course, this is all just a bit of venting at all the badmouthing of the US. I have no doubt when your government comes whining to us that they need help that we will, indeed, roll up our sleeves and do it. And you and your ilk will, indeed, continue to sneer about the US and US involvement in world affairs. And our disagreement on it will have no bearing at all on anything except that you let me know how you feel about America and I let you know that I hope such opinions are taken into consideration by the leaders of this country when we're urged to "help" (which amounts to doing all the heavy lifting for other countries).
Of course, this is all just a bit of venting at all the badmouthing of the US. I have no doubt when your government comes whining to us that they need help that we will, indeed, roll up our sleeves and do it. And you and your ilk will, indeed, continue to sneer about the US and US involvement in world affairs. And our disagreement on it will have no bearing at all on anything except that you let me know how you feel about America and I let you know that I hope such opinions are taken into consideration by the leaders of this country when we're urged to "help" (which amounts to doing all the heavy lifting for other countries).
I believe the UK has just recently paid off the big financial loan it got from the US during WWII, there is always business behind it. But of course it was much needed and appreciated at that time and should not be forgotten ...
I am not saying that the US are totally self serving, their aid has been fantastic in many instances but when it comes to regime change under the guise of freedom and democracy is it always just a coincidence that Haliburton's and the likes are right in there to rebuild, control and install oil and gas pipelines ?
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gardenhackle: So you're implying that none of the USA sortees around the globe were on purely humanitarian grounds? You wouldn't be the only one saying such things and I'm becoming used to it, which is precisely why Americans are more and more feeling like responding to cries for American intervention in ANYTHING with a big one-finger salute. If we're going to be accused of doing everything for our own self-interests only, then we might as do just that. No financial aid. No troops for peacekeeping missions. No interference, military or disaster aid. Not unless it's entirely in our own self interest because sure as hell that's what we're going to hear whether it was or wasn't, anyway.
Of course, this is all just a bit of venting at all the badmouthing of the US. I have no doubt when your government comes whining to us that they need help that we will, indeed, roll up our sleeves and do it. And you and your ilk will, indeed, continue to sneer about the US and US involvement in world affairs. And our disagreement on it will have no bearing at all on anything except that you let me know how you feel about America and I let you know that I hope such opinions are taken into consideration by the leaders of this country when we're urged to "help" (which amounts to doing all the heavy lifting for other countries).
Of course, this is all just a bit of venting at all the badmouthing of the US. I have no doubt when your government comes whining to us that they need help that we will, indeed, roll up our sleeves and do it. And you and your ilk will, indeed, continue to sneer about the US and US involvement in world affairs. And our disagreement on it will have no bearing at all on anything except that you let me know how you feel about America and I let you know that I hope such opinions are taken into consideration by the leaders of this country when we're urged to "help" (which amounts to doing all the heavy lifting for other countries).
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RDM59: I believe the UK has just recently paid off the big financial loan it got from the US during WWII, there is always business behind it. But of course it was much needed and appreciated at that time and should not be forgotten ...
I am not saying that the US are totally self serving, their aid has been fantastic in many instances but when it comes to regime change under the guise of freedom and democracy is it always just a coincidence that Haliburton's and the likes are right in there to rebuild, control and install oil and gas pipelines ?
I am not saying that the US are totally self serving, their aid has been fantastic in many instances but when it comes to regime change under the guise of freedom and democracy is it always just a coincidence that Haliburton's and the likes are right in there to rebuild, control and install oil and gas pipelines ?
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gardenhackle: p.s. Gina, weren't you the one that made the post on cognitive bias? Think about the tendency of people to see and acknowledge only what "evidence" supports their pre-conceived beliefs. Don't assume I would see "Inside Job" the same way you do because I don't have preconceived notions about all this class warfare nonsense and so I'm not going to buy into carefully massaged popaganda pieces the way you do.
Believe what you want, but watch the movie... it won't kill you.
Everybody has bias boxes... I mean I used to believe in "Parties" and now I don't.. but I do break out of mine on occasion, maybe you should try it too.
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RDM59: I believe the UK has just recently paid off the big financial loan it got from the US during WWII, there is always business behind it. But of course it was much needed and appreciated at that time and should not be forgotten ...
I am not saying that the US are totally self serving, their aid has been fantastic in many instances but when it comes to regime change under the guise of freedom and democracy is it always just a coincidence that Haliburton's and the likes are right in there to rebuild, control and install oil and gas pipelines ?
I am not saying that the US are totally self serving, their aid has been fantastic in many instances but when it comes to regime change under the guise of freedom and democracy is it always just a coincidence that Haliburton's and the likes are right in there to rebuild, control and install oil and gas pipelines ?
Not a coincidence at all. But we didn't go to war for the sake of Halliburton and Halliburton wasn't created just so we could do the Iraq war. Let's be realistic about this.... Regime change in Iraq was way, way, way overdue and the UN had been shaking their finger at Sadam and slapping him on the wrist while doing business with him under the table for a decade. And history will likely attribute the spread of democracy in the Middle East to the toppling of Sadam because... well, because that's where it started. The opportunity to get political mileage out of the war was just too great to ignore, though, so it became the great political football of the 21st century so far. Even the UN knew that Sadam had to go. And even the UN knew that no one else was going to do anything about it.
And that's why there was no declaration of an illegal war by the US. It was perfectly legal.
And outrageously political.
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gininitaly: Believe what you want, but watch the movie... it won't kill you.
Everybody has bias boxes... I mean I used to believe in "Parties" and now I don't.. but I do break out of mine on occasion, maybe you should try it too.
Everybody has bias boxes... I mean I used to believe in "Parties" and now I don't.. but I do break out of mine on occasion, maybe you should try it too.
There are two parties but if you're saying they're damned near impossible to tell apart, I'd agree. The ONLY thing the two party system which is like a bizarre version of Dr. Seuss's Thing One and Thing Two is that they're bitterly antagonistic toward each other, which makes large scale criminal cooperation between parties virtually impossible. There isn't anything someone on one side of the fence can do that his counterpart on the other side won't narc him out for doing. That's the one good thing the two party system has going for it.
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gardenhackle: Not a coincidence at all. But we didn't go to war for the sake of Halliburton and Halliburton wasn't created just so we could do the Iraq war. Let's be realistic about this.... Regime change in Iraq was way, way, way overdue and the UN had been shaking their finger at Sadam and slapping him on the wrist while doing business with him under the table for a decade. And history will likely attribute the spread of democracy in the Middle East to the toppling of Sadam because... well, because that's where it started. The opportunity to get political mileage out of the war was just too great to ignore, though, so it became the great political football of the 21st century so far. Even the UN knew that Sadam had to go. And even the UN knew that no one else was going to do anything about it.
And that's why there was no declaration of an illegal war by the US. It was perfectly legal.
And outrageously political.
And that's why there was no declaration of an illegal war by the US. It was perfectly legal.
And outrageously political.
Why just Iraq ? .... what about Ruwanda, Uganda, China etc, etc all under the justification of humanitarian and democratic goals.
Way overdue ??? It wasn't that long ago that Sadam was a very useful ally of the US during the Iran/Iraq war and was armed and financed by the US to keep the balance against the Russian armed Iranians. It's not just the US's physical presence, it's their political presence and involvement that causes the underlying problem. How many Middle Eastern puppets died ( on their own soil) at the expense of the US/Russian war games ?
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devon80: Anyone care to join me?
Cheese and
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devon80: Anyone care to join me?
Oh good ! Another party to watch the fights . . . . 
. . . . . Here I brought some pizzas . . . . 
. . . . . . . I brought some more drinks too . . . .. .
. . . . . . . . This could start a trend . . . . 
. . . . . . . . I made some more popcorn also . . 
. . . . . Have some music too . . . 
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RDM59: Why just Iraq ? .... what about Ruwanda, Uganda, China etc, etc all under the justification of humanitarian and democratic goals.
Way overdue ??? It wasn't that long ago that Sadam was a very useful ally of the US during the Iran/Iraq war and was armed and financed by the US to keep the balance against the Russian armed Iranians. It's not just the US's physical presence, it's their political presence and involvement that causes the underlying problem. How many Middle Eastern puppets died ( on their own soil) at the expense of the US/Russian war games ?
Way overdue ??? It wasn't that long ago that Sadam was a very useful ally of the US during the Iran/Iraq war and was armed and financed by the US to keep the balance against the Russian armed Iranians. It's not just the US's physical presence, it's their political presence and involvement that causes the underlying problem. How many Middle Eastern puppets died ( on their own soil) at the expense of the US/Russian war games ?
They are also blind those who choose not to see.
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gardenhackle: Nope. The USA has been badmouthed enough for getting involved elsewhere. The rest of the world needs to find some other country to do the dirty work for it and get kicked in the teeth for it's efforts. If we're gonna get a bunch of crap from the rest of the world, then we're better off getting crap for doing nothing than pouring out our resources and the lives of our military for an ungrateful bunch of lazy bastages that won't get off their asses and do any of the dirty work themselves.
Ah Garden it is not just the USA since Korea few if any wars or human aid sorties have been the sole preserve of the USA.
All have involved with the exception of Grenada a Coalition of sorts and it may be the US who takes the lead role but numerous countries take a very active part.
From Vietnam to Afghanistan the whole world mainly the west have been involved.
So to say the USA carries the blame is wrong. The UK for one has had tremendous problems and is continuing to have them since the huge Coalition in GW1.
That coalition had all sorts of folk in it and it was not just the USA, much the same as Afghanistan now.
As always JMO
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gardenhackle: There are two parties but if you're saying they're damned near impossible to tell apart, I'd agree. The ONLY thing the two party system which is like a bizarre version of Dr. Seuss's Thing One and Thing Two is that they're bitterly antagonistic toward each other, which makes large scale criminal cooperation between parties virtually impossible. There isn't anything someone on one side of the fence can do that his counterpart on the other side won't narc him out for doing. That's the one good thing the two party system has going for it.
That's just among the divided and conquered peons, the rift was devised... once you get higher up you will find out you've all been puppets on mutual strings.
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patmac: And the vast majority of those countries they are Military Attache's at the US Embassy also the US Marine corps who are there to Guard the Embassy.....So the fact US troops are there as you say is really misleading they are just the normal in most cases that the USA has in it's Embassy staff.
The UK, France,Germany and loads of other countries have the same.But not the Guards like the US.
The UK, France,Germany and loads of other countries have the same.But not the Guards like the US.
In the 10 yrs I've been here they have broken ground and populated (unaccompanied) 3 new bases; Kenya, Bulgaria and Rumania... no embassy nearby.
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time4fun4u: The rest of the world didnt ask the Us or anyone else to do the dirty work.Those decisions were made by the leaders at the time.
I respect the lose of those in the Us military,i would ask you to respect the lose of those in the military of other nations,who also fought.
I respect the lose of those in the Us military,i would ask you to respect the lose of those in the military of other nations,who also fought.
Being a military brat and my ex being military I agree. So much is lost, not only for us Americans but for everyone!
Now back to my
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Singlelisious: Cheese and
Oh yes got to have cheese coz there will be a lot of whine, oops ment wine.
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gininitaly: In the 10 yrs I've been here they have broken ground and populated (unaccompanied) 3 new bases; Kenya, Bulgaria and Rumania... no embassy nearby.
Still does not change the fact most of those countries the troops are only Embassy staff.
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