She is Jewish from her mother's side of the family... German Jew. Her dad was a Catholic fro Slovakia. She plays the harp professionally. I never called her a Jew Harp. I said she owns 14 harps, one of which is a jew harp.
Jude is a Palistinian infant named in honor of the Jewish family who attended her birth and removed the umbilical cord that was choking the life out of her. I thought it was a fitting tribute for her parents to name her "Jude." It is a story of hope and two peoples living together in peace. Go google it if you don't believe me.
Of course, the Jews would likely not have been expelled from those Arab lands if Israel hadn't pushed out the Arabs during the Civil War and the follow on hostilities. As I understand it, those refugees were evicted in retaliation for the Arabs being forced or otherwise encouraged to flee and go live in refugee camps.
The UN should have stopped the civil war and gone ahead with the partition, as planned and approved, much as they are attempting to stop the fighting now in Syria. Given that there were no Security Council vetoes of Res 181 that should have been possible and the proper thing to do. IMHO
East Prussia would have been fine as a place to start. Close to Russia Eastern Europe and Germany, and would have given some light behind what was to become the iron curtain. Instead they gave the enclave to Russia.
There's a fine line between confidence and arrogance. Some people have trouble with that line. People that get along well with "others" get it. Can I offer you another Iron Dome?
You don't think Max has a point of view, that he just made it all up? Let me tell you something. A lot of people think like him, that Europe had no right to try to solve their "problem" and assuage their "holocaust guilt" by sending all their Jews off to live in a little enclave in the Middle East.
The Res 181 partition left the Jews with a clearly indefensible amount of land amidst as well as surrounded by "a lot" of people who objected to their presence big time and they knew it even though Golda said it was a land without people. It's not just Max.
In my opinion, more Jews should have stayed in Europe and made a go of it there. They knew the territory and had a large infrastructure they could have taken back. Their presence might have helped keep the Arabs out.
I'll stick to it. The only thing that could change my mind is if the Jews were to become just another common religion in the world and learned to just get along with every one else and vice versa. In which case there would be no reason to have a democratic theocratic state for them to live in for protection.
The only other remaining reason as I see for "Israel" to exist it is so they can be together for ego purposes... you know, "holier than everyone else" the chosen in the land of David. I reject that thinking. Religion and state should be seperate.
G-d is meant to be more of a personal choice than a state edict and G-d should be available to all who seek. I'm American, and a "frozen chosen" Presbyterian, so I guess I carry a bias or two in that regard.
Go back and read the OP post. Abbaas is in agreement with all of it. I assume, given the Arab Plan, they would love to roll back the clock too. Hamas? Ask them.
It makes perfect sense to me that they both get land and their own Sovereignty based on the Res 181 plan. I would even agree to the Aeab Plan but like 181 better for the reasons stated. I also wanted more Christian participation in Jewrusalem along with the others, as proposed by the resolution.
Are you seriously suggesting that Israel and the "Arabs" accept "today" all of Res 181 including the partition plan, the economic union too?
Sounds a lot like the Arab Plan on the 67 Green lines.
I like the Res 181 lines better, as niether side is big enough to dominate the other and I like the economic unity and religious cooperation of course. :) You got my vote!
You missed my reply. I said this sample size is too small. I voted in favor, by the way, as I recall, Abbas said he would be in favor of it too if it was held now.
And relatively few jews back then too. But I'm talking about today and tomorrow... the people who set all this up in 1948 weren't thinking about the future... or even today. Russia went bankrupt because it couldn't fund the ABM and arms race. How many Iron Domes do you want to save Israel from at Arab hordes? How many Arrows? Submarines too? An aircraft carrier, advanced fighter planes, maybe a great wall? Ask China. :)
Add Egypt, Saudi, Iran, Iraq, Libya, Pakistan, Turkey and you'll be close to half a billion just there, or more. I think you are missing my point entirely. It doesn't have to be a billion... a humdred million is enough to make it a stupid idea.
I know these are old numbers but... most of the Arabs are clustered within medium ballistic missle range.
Number of Muslims in the world: Estimates of the total number of Muslims in the world vary greatly:
0.700 billion or more, Barnes & Noble Encyclopedia (1993) 0.817 billion, The Universal Almanac (1996) 0.951 billion, The Cambridge Factfinder (1993) 1.100 billion, The World Almanac (1997) 1.200 billion, CAIR (Council on American-Islamic relations) 1.570 billion, Pew Forums
As of mid 2010, we accept the Pew Forum's estimate 1.57 billion as the most reliable estimate.
With that number, they represent about 22% of the world's population. They are the second largest religion in the world. Only Christianity is larger, with 33% of the world's inhabitants -- a little over 2 billion.
The poll is certainly a good sample of world opinion, don't you think?
So its more like a hundred miles from Quatar to Iran. The wind blows fallout and dust and ash at least that far... a nuclear winter would affect more that just Iran.
Define "all options are on the table". I don't recall anyone excluding a premptive nuclear first strike on Fodoro since the bunker busters are too weak... The talkbackers there are certainly were pushing it recently, until the latest poetry shut them up.
Do you read Haaretz or J-Post? How do you feel about the many talk-back folks there advocating that Israel and America turn Iran into a lake of molten glass? Max is about 50 miles away on the other side of the gulf. I think he has standing to say his point iof view.
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RE: United Nations Resolution 181 - would you have voted for it if it were held now?
Spoken like a good Buddhist/Taoist, from Canada no less. :)