TrueBlue1986Sale, South Manchester, Cheshire, England UK1,322 Posts
TrueBlue1986Sale, South Manchester, Cheshire, England UK1,322 posts
Medsummer: it would be the sick or elderly's choice to go, not their relatives would it not?
People's choices are easily influenced, especially when influenced by members of their own family. I worry about the moral pressure that may be applied on people to opt for euphanasia.
TrueBlue1986: People's choices are easily influenced, especially when influenced by members of their own family. I worry about the moral pressure that may be applied on people to opt for euphanasia.
Thats why i said,in private,with the doctor in the case,a doctor not involved in the case,and a stipendry magistrate,to ensure it is the wishes of the person concerned.
TrueBlue1986: People's choices are easily influenced, especially when influenced by members of their own family. I worry about the moral pressure that may be applied on people to opt for euphanasia.
If you really think anyone could influence me to off myself if I didnt want to you REALLY need to give your head a shake
TrueBlue1986Sale, South Manchester, Cheshire, England UK1,322 Posts
TrueBlue1986Sale, South Manchester, Cheshire, England UK1,322 posts
venusenvy: Meh I doubt that
It's a slippery slope argument I'm making I'd admit, but just that it may seem inconceivable now doesn't mean it would remain this way. A lot of things we accept as norm today would of been inconceivable 60/70 years ago for instance.
lifeisadreamMexi Go, Mexico State Mexico16,713 posts
TrueBlue1986: People's choices are easily influenced, especially when influenced by members of their own family. I worry about the moral pressure that may be applied on people to opt for euphanasia.
When you have had a life full of good time with great love to your family they will understand and they would not want to see you as a vegetal or something alike (if i have not mitochondria I should not be a vegetal!!!).
I have talked to my children about it and they know me and they will respect my decision, had the time come.
Society I care not! Religion? not either! Life insurance? I might have to check that
TrueBlue1986Sale, South Manchester, Cheshire, England UK1,322 Posts
TrueBlue1986Sale, South Manchester, Cheshire, England UK1,322 posts
time4fun4u: Thats why i said,in private,with the doctor in the case,a doctor not involved in the case,and a stipendry magistrate,to ensure it is the wishes of the person concerned.
I'd like the idea of there being some sort of third party to oversee it. But still, if the patient says they want euphansia, who can say for sure whether the patient is making that choice freely?
TrueBlue1986: It's a slippery slope argument I'm making I'd admit, but just that it may seem inconceivable now doesn't mean it would remain this way. A lot of things we accept as norm today would of been inconceivable 60/70 years ago for instance.
I think if laws change to include assisted suicide than that would bring all those moral issues front and center. Any laws passed would reflect this.
TrueBlue1986: I'd like the idea of there being some sort of third party to oversee it. But still, if the patient says they want euphansia, who can say for sure whether the patient is making that choice freely?
You cant.Being a 100% is difflecult,and the questions posed to them would have to be very well thought out.
TrueBlue1986Sale, South Manchester, Cheshire, England UK1,322 Posts
TrueBlue1986Sale, South Manchester, Cheshire, England UK1,322 posts
lifeisadream: When you have had a life full of good time with great love to your family they will understand and they would not want to see you as a vegetal or something alike (if i have not mitochondria I should not be a vegetal!!!).
I have talked to my children about it and they know me and they will respect my decision, had the time come.
Society I care not! Religion? not either! Life insurance? I might have to check that
Then if you're not concerned for the elderly and vulnerable in the rest of society then it's probably be better to keep it illegal, and you can use your free will to travel somewhere that has legalised euphanasia.
TrueBlue1986Sale, South Manchester, Cheshire, England UK1,322 Posts
TrueBlue1986Sale, South Manchester, Cheshire, England UK1,322 posts
venusenvy: I think if laws change to include assisted suicide than that would bring all those moral issues front and center. Any laws passed would reflect this.
Maybe. However, if you wanted the return of eugenics in society, euphanasia would be the obvious starting point - that's not saying you agree with eugenics.
TrueBlue1986Sale, South Manchester, Cheshire, England UK1,322 Posts
TrueBlue1986Sale, South Manchester, Cheshire, England UK1,322 posts
time4fun4u: You cant.Being a 100% is difflecult,and the questions posed to them would have to be very well thought out.
Yes. I think euphanasia would probably work as planned for some time, but as time goes on euphanasia wouldn't even be a moral issue and once that mindset is established, what would then be the next boundary to cross?
lifeisadreamMexi Go, Mexico State Mexico16,713 posts
TrueBlue1986: Then if you're not concerned for the elderly and vulnerable in the rest of society then it's probably be better to keep it illegal, and you can use your free will to travel somewhere that has legalised euphanasia.
Your point is very interesting. If I were interested about other, what can I do for them? nothing! If I were not interested about other, what I will do for them? nothing! Euthanasia is a very personal decision, make it legal or ilegal. (and I do not care about being legal or ilegal, so sue me)
TrueBlue1986Sale, South Manchester, Cheshire, England UK1,322 Posts
TrueBlue1986Sale, South Manchester, Cheshire, England UK1,322 posts
lifeisadream: Your point is very interesting. If I were interested about other, what can I do for them? nothing! If I were not interested about other, what I will do for them? nothing! Euthanasia is a very personal decision, make it legal or ilegal. (and I do not care about being legal or ilegal, so sue me)
You cast a vote or even share an opinion, and the effects of that go beyond you.
You wouldn't be, indeed, couldn't be what you are now without everyone & everything around you.
Your actions, or inactions, have repurcussions for others whether you care for if they do or not.
It is a personal decision of course, but the OP was asking about whether it should be legalised, and we're all subject to the law.
TrueBlue1986Sale, South Manchester, Cheshire, England UK1,322 Posts
TrueBlue1986Sale, South Manchester, Cheshire, England UK1,322 posts
lifeisadream: Wharever you have said here whatever I have...here, nothing is going to change.
The differences would be so small that they hardly seem tangible, but if just one person learns something, or accepts another opinion as valid, then a change has occured. A change that may be miniscule, but what else could we expect when we're just a few people on a planet of billions?
jac379pontyclun, South Glamorgan, Wales UK12,293 posts
The first dog I lost died of natural causes in the arms of a very pretty nurse. She told me he didn't struggle and wasn't at all frightened, very unusual for his condition. In her arms, I suspect he already thought he'd died and gone to heaven.
The second dog I lost, I made the decision to let him go because he was in pain and I knew that if I prolonged his life, it was for my benefit, not his. I felt like a murderess and I can honestly say, I was traumatised by the experience. He was my first experience of unconditional love.
The third dog I lost, just a few months ago was easier for me. She had a spinal tumour and it was as much the vet's decision as it was mine. She was my daughter's little dog. My daughter was there, six months pregnant and it was so upsetting for her, I thought she was going to go into labour. She was so looking forward to introducing her baby to her maternal little dog and childhood friend.
One can argue all the pros and cons of euthanasia, the release from pain, the rights of the person, the danger that people will chose to die rather than be a burden, the danger that people might wish to relieve themselves of a burdenous relative, whatever, but my feelings have changed with my different experiences.
Its easy enough to discuss euthanasia as a theory, its very different to actually experience it.
Imagine having to make those decisions for, or support a relative, maybe your child, through euthanasia.
I take my hat off to people, to parents who have supported and assisted their loved ones.
I believe euthanasia is a basic human right, but discussion is not the same as doing.
YES: My rich widowed mother is running around spending money as if there was no tomorrow on heating, lighting and food. She's obviously in the advanced stages of a terminal ilness called life and I should be allowed to euthenise her for her own good!
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If i am ever in that position,and able to,i will take my own life.It would be my decision.
I would do it too.
I will cause not pain to my family.
If I have to go I will and I will decide it!
(I hope I will be able to)