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Apr 25, 2011 3:47 AM CST the evolution of language
spoken language leaves no traces in the historic record, so we shall probably never know how or even exactly when it originated.professor
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Apr 25, 2011 3:49 AM CST the evolution of language
GingerBe
GingerBeGingerBeDonegal, Ireland2 Threads 3,106 Posts
pedro27: spoken language leaves no traces in the historic record, so we shall probably never know how or even exactly when it originated.
Anthropologists can tell what sounds early people were capable of making.wine
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Apr 25, 2011 3:54 AM CST the evolution of language
time4fun4u
time4fun4utime4fun4uAlicante, Valencia Spain18 Threads 1 Polls 10,066 Posts
pedro27: spoken language leaves no traces in the historic record, so we shall probably never know how or even exactly when it originated.
When you consider all the differant languages,its amazing.
cheers
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Apr 25, 2011 3:55 AM CST the evolution of language
RDM59
RDM59RDM59Edinburgh, Lothian, Scotland UK92 Threads 5 Polls 14,070 Posts
GingerBe: Anthropologists can tell what sounds early people were capable of making.




grin lips
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Apr 25, 2011 3:55 AM CST the evolution of language
GingerBe: Anthropologists can tell what sounds early people were capable of making.



i bought an interesting book its about structure, function and disorders of the brain. its were i am geting the info fromwine
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Apr 25, 2011 4:06 AM CST the evolution of language
GingerBe
GingerBeGingerBeDonegal, Ireland2 Threads 3,106 Posts
RDM59: http://www.partnersinrhyme.com/soundfx/human_sounds/human_bg-kiss1a_wav.shtml
Nice one.thumbs up laugh wave
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Apr 25, 2011 4:08 AM CST the evolution of language
GingerBe
GingerBeGingerBeDonegal, Ireland2 Threads 3,106 Posts
pedro27: i bought an interesting book its about structure, function and disorders of the brain. its were i am geting the info from
Most of what science does, is speculation, so I suppose in some ways we will never know anything for sure.

Science is never an exact science.wine
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Apr 25, 2011 4:22 AM CST the evolution of language
theoldestdear
theoldestdeartheoldestdearReading, Berkshire, England UK2 Threads 507 Posts
GingerBe: Most of what science does, is speculation, so I suppose in some ways we will never know anything for sure.

Science is never an exact science.


please help me to understand what you mean by this?
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Apr 25, 2011 4:25 AM CST the evolution of language
blarneykite
blarneykiteblarneykiteSomewhere, Carlow Ireland31 Threads 3,901 Posts
theoldestdear: please help me to understand what you mean by this?
Well, the earth was flat... then it wasn't, the earth was centre of the universe... then it wasn't, the atom ws the smallest thing possible... the there was smaller...... Science is about what we know and can prove NOW
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Apr 25, 2011 4:29 AM CST the evolution of language
GingerBe: Most of what science does, is speculation, so I suppose in some ways we will never know anything for sure.

Science is never an exact science.



i can only speculatelaugh
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Apr 25, 2011 4:29 AM CST the evolution of language
RDM59
RDM59RDM59Edinburgh, Lothian, Scotland UK92 Threads 5 Polls 14,070 Posts
theoldestdear: please help me to understand what you mean by this?


Theories and then the endeavor to prove them.
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Apr 25, 2011 4:36 AM CST the evolution of language
Blues63
Blues63Blues63Brisbane, Queensland Australia6 Threads 1 Polls 2,934 Posts
We can tell how Ancient Latin was spoken and where the stresses were placed by understanding the Roman poetry. The metre evinces the stresses of syllables, while alliteration and assonance give us the sounds. So, while we can't converse with Cicero, we can understand how he spoke.
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Apr 25, 2011 4:36 AM CST the evolution of language
GingerBe
GingerBeGingerBeDonegal, Ireland2 Threads 3,106 Posts
theoldestdear: please help me to understand what you mean by this?
Not you again!!!rolling on the floor laughing

Like I said before. Science is not an exact "science". Science is often based on theory/speculation.......if this/then that.....

The "IFs" are often leaps into the unknown, to things that can only be speculated about. Conclusions are arrived at, from a hypothesis, often based on speculation, no matter how near the truth that speculation might be.

*Theory in technical use is a more or less (so not really) verified or established explanation accounting for known facts or phenomena: the theory of relativity.

*A hypothesis is a conjecture put forth as a possible explanation of phenomena or relations, which serves as a basis of argument or experimentation to reach the truth: This idea is only a hypothesis.
wine

Now I know you like to believer otherwise, and you are entitled to that, so please leave the argument, or speculation to science for now.rolling on the floor laughing
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Apr 25, 2011 4:37 AM CST the evolution of language
DeusExMachina
DeusExMachinaDeusExMachinahaaltert, Oost Vlaanderen Belgium55 Threads 1 Polls 2,705 Posts
I didn't know you were the guitar man.I am breadlesshead banger
Blues63: We can tell how Ancient Latin was spoken and where the stresses were placed by understanding the Roman poetry. The metre evinces the stresses of syllables, while alliteration and assonance give us the sounds. So, while we can't converse with Cicero, we can understand how he spoke.
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Apr 25, 2011 4:37 AM CST the evolution of language
GingerBe
GingerBeGingerBeDonegal, Ireland2 Threads 3,106 Posts
RDM59: Theories and then the endeavor to prove them.


Glad someone is on the same page R.bouquet hug wine
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Apr 25, 2011 4:41 AM CST the evolution of language
blarneykite
blarneykiteblarneykiteSomewhere, Carlow Ireland31 Threads 3,901 Posts
GingerBe: Glad someone is on the same page R.


This of course is not science, it just babbling from a then dangerous man

"There are known knowns; there are things we know we know.
We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know.
But there are also unknown unknowns – the ones we don't know we don't know".
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Apr 25, 2011 4:43 AM CST the evolution of language
DeusExMachina
DeusExMachinaDeusExMachinahaaltert, Oost Vlaanderen Belgium55 Threads 1 Polls 2,705 Posts
cicero once said:language was invented so women could wine
I guess it is true:Silence is the language of the gods
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Apr 25, 2011 4:43 AM CST the evolution of language
theoldestdear
theoldestdeartheoldestdearReading, Berkshire, England UK2 Threads 507 Posts
blarneykite: Well, the earth was flat... then it wasn't, the earth was centre of the universe... then it wasn't, the atom ws the smallest thing possible... the there was smaller...... Science is about what we know and can prove NOW



Science investigates difficult questions about unknown fields, and scientists are human, so it is inevitable that scientific findings will not be perfect. However, science works by investigating more and more, which means results get checked and rechecked with further findings. The reason some findings change is because they get corrected. This process of correction helps make science one of the most successful areas of human endeavor.

the sciencitic mantra is "The people who cannot be trusted are those who are always right."


As more evidence accumulates, scientific findings become more and more certain. Theories that have withstood several decades of study may undergo more refinement of details, but it is almost inconceivable that they would be overturned completely.
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Apr 25, 2011 4:47 AM CST the evolution of language
blarneykite
blarneykiteblarneykiteSomewhere, Carlow Ireland31 Threads 3,901 Posts
theoldestdear: Science investigates difficult questions about unknown fields, and scientists are human, so it is inevitable that scientific findings will not be perfect. However, science works by investigating more and more, which means results get checked and rechecked with further findings. The reason some findings change is because they get corrected. This process of correction helps make science one of the most successful areas of human endeavor.

the sciencitic mantra is "The people who cannot be trusted are those who are always right."


As more evidence accumulates, scientific findings become more and more certain. Theories that have withstood several decades of study may undergo more refinement of details, but it is almost inconceivable that they would be overturned completely.


We're in full agreement here, for all that science has gotten wrong, scientists are happy to be proven wrong with theories that improve on earlier understandings... to me science is that endeavour for the truth... UNLIKE RELIGION
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Apr 25, 2011 4:50 AM CST the evolution of language
theoldestdear
theoldestdeartheoldestdearReading, Berkshire, England UK2 Threads 507 Posts
RDM59: Theories and then the endeavor to prove them.


scientists do not set out to prove a theory, they attempt to disprove it.


As used in science, a theory is an explanation or model based on observation, experimentation, and reasoning, especially one that has been tested and confirmed as a general principle helping to explain and predict natural phenomena.

Any scientific theory must be based on a careful and rational examination of the facts. A clear distinction needs to be made between facts (things which can be observed and/or measured) and theories (explanations which correlate and interpret the facts.

Before a theory is given any credence in the scientific community, it must be subjected to "peer review." This means that the proposed theory must be published in a legitimate scientific journal in order to provide the opportunity for other scientists to evaluate the relevant factual information, test the thoery through objective experimantation and publish their conclusions.
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