Freedom for Palestine - Great Video!!! (312)
Conrad73: "Like the Mongolian massacres"
Azam Pasha, Arab League Secretary General, proudly proclaimed the war aim of the Arabs, May 15, 1948. (Quoted in "New Dimensions" Jan. '91)
"This will be a war of extermination and a momentous massacre which will be spoken of like the Mongolian massacres and the crusades."
Azam Pasha, Arab League Secretary General, proudly proclaimed the war aim of the Arabs, May 15, 1948. (Quoted in "New Dimensions" Jan. '91)
"This will be a war of extermination and a momentous massacre which will be spoken of like the Mongolian massacres and the crusades."
Mnowsa finds the above very boring Conrad. Says it was only words.
I suppose that the subsequent attack by eight nations and nine Muslim entities was just somebody slipping on a banana peel and next thing they knew, they were attacking.
Poor Muslims, they really intended to not attack but heck, a joo must've put that banana peel there.
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RayfromUSA: As you well know Conrad, Israel created Hamas and armed it, in order to defeat the secular PLO. It was so much easier to get world support for massacring supposed "religious extremists" than for massacring indigenous "freedom fighters". Even today it is Israel that provides the harmless rockets (with no explosives) that are used as the justification for Israel using modern weapons of war to massacre defenseless Palestinians in their own homes.
The Hamas Organization "grew" out of the ideology and practice of the Muslim Brotherhood movement....It "grew" because Israel was passive, peace loving, and willing to believe the true purpose of Hamas was to help Palestinian refugees, primarily those in the Gaza Strip....
Once Hamas got a foothold, they began engaging in terrorist activities in an effort to achieve their "true" purpose, to destroy Israel!...By the way, Hamas was primarily funded by Jordan and Saudi Arabia...
Because Israel held back in an effort NOT to interfere with Islam, Hamas was able to stockpile arms and build a force that would ultimately enable them to accomplish their goal, destroy Israel!...Then,
and only then, did Israel fight back!..Hamas has been waging terror against them ever since!...
Your post is crap Ray.....
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RayfromUSA: Thank God there are still a few Israelis who haven't lost their humanity.
You call this proof? ..A couple of stoners looking for a quick buck and an easy way out!
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RayfromUSA:
But during all those centuries under different political rulers, the land belonged to the people who lived there, the Palestinians.
But during all those centuries under different political rulers, the land belonged to the people who lived there, the Palestinians.
How do you figure that? The Greeks, Romans, Byzantines & the Ottomans would contest that point of view hotly.
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Blues63: How do you figure that? The Greeks, Romans, Byzantines & the Ottomans would contest that point of view hotly.
I forgot to mention the Fatimids from Egypt and the Abbasids from Baghdad, who contested the region from the Byzantines (Romaioi) before the Seljuk Turks under the Othman dynasty finally subjugated the region and became the Ottoman Empire.
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""Hollow""" and without Jewish ""Ethos"" is when you know, that the jews were the minority in the turn OF LAST CENTURY in Palestine and don't come out openly to admit it,as per your post,and when link and paste to you,ignore the fact.-
Wow_Factor: Not hijacking - it is simply a natural progression of the thread and all the misinformation and the lies and the refusal of you lot to understand and accept the past and present, and the future too!
And "Hollow hoax?" Hollow is a brilliant description for it!
And "Hollow hoax?" Hollow is a brilliant description for it!
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"""Made of civilians"""???well organized and well armed were.What was Menachem Begin???? a civilian???
Albertaghost: Eight nations massed to attack a nation made of civilians and some disorganized insurgent groups and you're saying the morale was low for the attacking armies poised on the border to kill every man woman and child in the new nation of Israel?
Incredible revisionism Mnowsa, incredible.
Incredible revisionism Mnowsa, incredible.
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To whom belong the land then,and who were the majority on the so called Palestine land,on the turn of the century???The Arabs or the Jews???, and if the majority were the Arabs they did not just appeared there,in the turn of last century,didn't they???
Blues63: How do you figure that? The Greeks, Romans, Byzantines & the Ottomans would contest that point of view hotly.
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chris27292729: To whom belong the land then,and who were the majority on the so called Palestine land,on the turn of the century???The Arabs or the Jews???, and if the majority were the Arabs they did not just appeared there,in the turn of last century,didn't they???
What are you trying to say?
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chris27292729: To whom belong the land then,and who were the majority on the so called Palestine land,on the turn of the century???The Arabs or the Jews???, and if the majority were the Arabs they did not just appeared there,in the turn of last century,didn't they???
And the Arabs were given 80% of the Palestinian Mandate....So what is your point?
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those poor poor joos, wont anyone just leave those poor poor souls alone, they're just minding their own business only trying to manipulate the rest of the world from their lil refugee camp 
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Thanks for the History lesson.I don't dispute your facts, never were Jews in the region,besides is your field,history,but some members of the Israeli PACK,dispute the fact that the jews were the minority,at the turn of last century,claiming that the Arabs "must go back from where they came from"".To go where.-????
Blues63: Chris, this is clearly wrong. Hadrian expelled the Jews from the Roman province of Judea in the 2nd cent., however, it was never rigidly enforced. Although there was a diaspora throughout the Empire, many stayed and many returned. There are Jews in Judea in the time of Caracalla (3rd cent AD). Moreover, when the Western Roman Empire fell, and the Eastern Empire (the so-called Byzantine) was ascendant, many writings attest to the existence of Jews in Judea and Syria (Syria was much larger then). During the reign of Heraclius (610-641 AD) the province was lost to Arab/Muslim expansion. However, there were always Jews in the region. The Muslim expansion wiped out the Hellenistic culture that was dominant in the east after Alexander the Great.
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Why 80% and not all of it???The Arabs were the occupants of the land,not the one's distributing it.-
patmac: And the Arabs were given 80% of the Palestinian Mandate....So what is your point?
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chris27292729: Why 80% and not all of it???The Arabs were the occupants of the land,not the one's distributing it.-
They did not make up 80% of the population.....But, the got 80% of the land and still declared a war they lost. Remember they attacked and lost and have only themselves to blame for their plight...All because as you know from the numerous posts the hate they had for a fledgling Israel and the Jews....Now can you see the point?
Who attacked....
Who left their land Prior to the Attack...
Who has always vowed to destroy who
Who uses Suicide Bombers
Who has committed Terrorist attacks....
I could go on asking Who for pages.....
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patmac: They did not make up 80% of the population.....But, the got 80% of the land and still declared a war they lost. Remember they attacked and lost and have only themselves to blame for their plight...All because as you know from the numerous posts the hate they had for a fledgling Israel and the Jews....Now can you see the point?
Who attacked....
Who left their land Prior to the Attack...
Who has always vowed to destroy who
Who uses Suicide Bombers
Who has committed Terrorist attacks....
I could go on asking Who for pages.....
well,maybe if they hadn't sided with Germany in WWI!Who attacked....
Who left their land Prior to the Attack...
Who has always vowed to destroy who
Who uses Suicide Bombers
Who has committed Terrorist attacks....
I could go on asking Who for pages.....
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Conrad73: well,maybe if they hadn't sided with Germany in WWI!
Ah remember only some....A lot of Arabs sided with the Brits against the Ottomans and other Arabs......Played both sides .....
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Chris, the arabs are granted full rights in Israel. They came from surrounding countries when the Jews settled in order to seek work and a better standard of living. If Israel treats them so badly let them seek a life elsewhere. They have the vote, democracy, etc. A poll stated that they would prefer to live under Israeli governance rather than be part of an arab new state. Either they put up or shut up.
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patmac: Ah remember only some....A lot of Arabs sided with the Brits against the Ottomans and other Arabs......Played both sides .....
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From the clips narrative
Excerpts of a talk by Prof. of history Benny Morris, about the actual number of Arabs expled from Palestine during the 47-48 war. The Israeli policies and actions that lead to the Palestinian refugee problem.
To see the lecture in its entirety, with supplements and Q&A (about 10 videos) click here to start:
For links to related information go to the end of the description, after the "enclosed texts" part.
***The four stages of the creation of the Palestinian Refugee Problem***
** Stage #1 **
Started: November 1947 (after the announcement of the Partition Plan for Palestine after which the Arabs started the civil war against Jews in Palestine).
Ended: March 1948.
Population: Mainly middle and upper class.
Reason: Moved to be out of harm's way (not expelled!).
Number: ~75,000
Actually expelled by Jewish forces: None.
** Stage #2 **
Started: April 1948 (Roughly coincides with the creation of Israel and the invasion of neighboring Arab countries)
Ended: June 1948 (Beginning of first truce)
Population: Lower middle class town and village inhabitants.
Reason: Fled due to fear and lack of leadership.
Number: ~300,000
Actually expelled by Jewish forces: Almost none.
** Stage #3 **
Started: July 1948 (After the end of the first truce during the most intense fighting)
Population: Lower class.
Reason: Expulsion and mass flight.
Number: ~100,000
Actually expelled by Jewish forces: ~50,000 mainly from Lod and Ramle.
** Stage #4 **
Started: October 1947 (During another escalation in fights as Israel goes into the offensive)
Population: Mainly northern inhabitants.
Reason: Mainly mass flight with some expulsions
Number: ~200,000
*** Were There Israeli Expulsion Policies? ***
- When looking at Israeli internal documents we clearly find that (In accordance with original Zionistic principals) there was NO Jewish institutional policy of expelling the Arabs.
- In a military directive from March 1948, there was a specific order that commanders should treat the Arab population with dignity and NOT expel inhabitants, except for military objectives.
- At the point in April 1948, when it seemed to Jewish leadership that an existential threat hangs over the Jewish "yeshuv" there was a change in atmosphere, nevertheless no specific expulsion policy was adopted and no directive given.
How do we know there was no Israeli expulsion policy?
- About 50% of Arabs stayed in Israel, which is the reason why Israel till today consists of 20% Arab citizens.
- No Israeli officer at the course of the 48 war was put to trial for expelling, or not expelling Arabs.
- According to documents we see an inconsistency in expulsions. In some cases there were expulsions and some there weren't.
NOTE: When the civil war escalated to the point that Arab armies invaded Israel, more field commanders took action in actually clearing Arab settlements to prevent attacks from both sides (i.e. entering Arab armies in the front and Arab inhabitants at the back).
The Reason: Left wingers in the army, civil population and leadership.
Exploring some of the myths spread by the Arab-Palestinian propaganda machine. This clip explores the times from the fall of the Ottoman empire after the first World War, through the British Mandate over Palestine, the agreement to establish a Jewish homeland, the partition of trans-Jordan from Palestine, the 1947 UN partition plan and the 1948 war after Israel declared its independence. Later it goes to more recent events such as the withdrawal from Lebanon and from Gaza which made Israel suffer relentless attacks from the Arab side, not in the name of nationalism but in the name of the religion of Islam.
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Azam Pasha, Arab League Secretary General, proudly proclaimed the war aim of the Arabs, May 15, 1948. (Quoted in "New Dimensions" Jan. '91)
"This will be a war of extermination and a momentous massacre which will be spoken of like the Mongolian massacres and the crusades."