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DamianowenDubbo, New South Wales Australia14 Threads 4 Polls 718 PostsAlways fun to have a serious debate here . . . So without getting anyone banned, what's anyones take on the bann on live beef export for one thing and what do you think the future holds for the current government?
Damianowen: Always fun to have a serious debate here . . . So without getting anyone banned, what's anyones take on the bann on live beef export for one thing and what do you think the future holds for the current government?
Im surprised that the government had to do something, I would have thought that the cattle growers would have insisted that their animals were treated better.
I think that as with any government they all promise one thing and do the exact opposite.
I think it's a poorly thought out stunt designed to please green voters. This government has pulled heaps of them. It's destroyed the livelyhood of many beef exporters without compensation and it should be the governments responsibility to ensure the propper treatment of the animals. Afterall, what can a QLD beef farmer do about slaughter practices in a different country? And they've had nearly 4 years to do something about it.
Damianowen: Always fun to have a serious debate here . . . So without getting anyone banned, what's anyones take on the bann on live beef export for one thing and what do you think the future holds for the current government?
I would like to know how much they are getting per kilo for this meat? If it is less than they get in Oz maybe they should discount it here so ppl could afford to eat it.
I have never agreed with live export of anything. Apart from the poor animal having to be shipped in confined spaces, starved etc, I think if you export live animals, which could then be bred in other countries eventually they are able to produce their own so they don't need yours anymore.
JMO
Damianowen: I think it's a poorly thought out stunt designed to please green voters. This government has pulled heaps of them. It's destroyed the livelyhood of many beef exporters without compensation and it should be the governments responsibility to ensure the propper treatment of the animals. Afterall, what can a QLD beef farmer do about slaughter practices in a different country? And they've had nearly 4 years to do something about it.
From my understanding the 'government' has known for a long time about this...It wasn't until a petition with thousand's of signiture's arrived, they were 'forced' to fix this...
So, Damian...I don't think it was a 'stunt'...The sooner this 'mess' get's sorted out, the better...
There are animal's of all sort's getting 'mistreated' all around the world...these animal's might not 'belong' to us or 'come' from here...but there are plenty of people willing to stand up and give these animal's a 'voice'...that's what it boil's down too...
bluejay2011: I would like to know how much they are getting per kilo for this meat? If it is less than they get in Oz maybe they should discount it here so ppl could afford to eat it.
I have never agreed with live export of anything. Apart from the poor animal having to be shipped in confined spaces, starved etc, I think if you export live animals, which could then be bred in other countries eventually they are able to produce their own so they don't need yours anymore.
JMO
I have never agreed with live export of anything. Apart from the poor animal having to be shipped in confined spaces, starved etc, I think if you export live animals, which could then be bred in other countries eventually they are able to produce their own so they don't need yours anymore.
JMO
Im with you BJ live export is wrong. I do understand that some countries will argue religious practises, but I believe if thats the case then maybe they should get their produce from somewhere closer.
Damo, I didnt realise that the government knew about this, but if the government knew then the cattle growers knew too. Where's the 'doing the right thing' concience? saying NO I wont export my produce to that country?
Sometimes people have to make a stand and be counted.
bluejay2011: I would like to know how much they are getting per kilo for this meat? If it is less than they get in Oz maybe they should discount it here so ppl could afford to eat it.
I have never agreed with live export of anything. Apart from the poor animal having to be shipped in confined spaces, starved etc, I think if you export live animals, which could then be bred in other countries eventually they are able to produce their own so they don't need yours anymore.
JMO
I have never agreed with live export of anything. Apart from the poor animal having to be shipped in confined spaces, starved etc, I think if you export live animals, which could then be bred in other countries eventually they are able to produce their own so they don't need yours anymore.
JMO
I think that the countries we export to have large populations and not much space for grazing. That's why they buy from over seas. Beef exported to Malaysia is generally sold/slaughtered a lot younger than it is here so the shipments on hold can't really be sold in Australia for another year or 2 yet and presumably our market is catered for so we don't actually need any more beef here. And if we slaughter it here then try to export it it's to expensive for the Malaysian market.
Damianowen: I think that the countries we export to have large populations and not much space for grazing. That's why they buy from over seas. Beef exported to Malaysia is generally sold/slaughtered a lot younger than it is here so the shipments on hold can't really be sold in Australia for another year or 2 yet and presumably our market is catered for so we don't actually need any more beef here. And if we slaughter it here then try to export it it's to expensive for the Malaysian market.
Its a bit of a catch 22, in some respects, however Im thinking that maybe an Aussie inspector should be having a role to play at the Malaysian end to ensure 'humane' practises are followed.
Its just a thought
starcrossfish: From my understanding the 'government' has known for a long time about this...It wasn't until a petition with thousand's of signiture's arrived, they were 'forced' to fix this...
So, Damian...I don't think it was a 'stunt'...The sooner this 'mess' get's sorted out, the better...
There are animal's of all sort's getting 'mistreated' all around the world...these animal's might not 'belong' to us or 'come' from here...but there are plenty of people willing to stand up and give these animal's a 'voice'...that's what it boil's down too...
So, Damian...I don't think it was a 'stunt'...The sooner this 'mess' get's sorted out, the better...
There are animal's of all sort's getting 'mistreated' all around the world...these animal's might not 'belong' to us or 'come' from here...but there are plenty of people willing to stand up and give these animal's a 'voice'...that's what it boil's down too...
I don't know if there's really a cost effective way to improve live export but indeed this has been going on for years. I think it could have been phased out by now, giving people who depend on the industry time to diversify. As it is, I don't think they actually plan to prohibit export indefinetly, just until they can improve slaughter practices and the cruelty of the transport practice isn't actually at question. And again, wouldn't this all be a matter for the foreign ministry to fix ? or dept. of ag and fisheries?
Shell225: Its a bit of a catch 22, in some respects, however Im thinking that maybe an Aussie inspector should be having a role to play at the Malaysian end to ensure 'humane' practises are followed.
Its just a thought
Its just a thought
I think that's pretty much all that's needed Shell, and a bit of investment to improve the handling/slaughtering process.
jem1964: the usual excuse for live export is religious grounds.
But abattoirs in Australia can follow those practices as well.
And keeping the animals in Australia ultimately keeps more jobs in Australia, sometimes areas where there arent many jobs going.
But abattoirs in Australia can follow those practices as well.
And keeping the animals in Australia ultimately keeps more jobs in Australia, sometimes areas where there arent many jobs going.
We can. I worked in an abbattoir which slaughtered 8000 sheep/day for the middle eastern market. Every single sheep was blessed and then had its throat cut by a muslim who did so whilst facing mecca. Still leaves the issue of paying our labour rates for processing though.
Damianowen: We can. I worked in an abbattoir which slaughtered 8000 sheep/day for the middle eastern market. Every single sheep was blessed and then had its throat cut by a muslim who did so whilst facing mecca. Still leaves the issue of paying our labour rates for processing though.
but this is supposedly an open world economy, if they want the goods they will pay the price.
if it is cheaper to live export, fueling large trucks to transport the animals to the ports, then fueling and paying for crew for large ships to transport them to their own country for slaughter, surely something is out of whack? As that is a hell of lot of resources used.
Yes you need to use resources to transport the meat as well, but a lot more broken down meat fits on a ship than live bodies of animals.
jem1964: but this is supposedly an open world economy, if they want the goods they will pay the price.
if it is cheaper to live export, fueling large trucks to transport the animals to the ports, then fueling and paying for crew for large ships to transport them to their own country for slaughter, surely something is out of whack? As that is a hell of lot of resources used.
Yes you need to use resources to transport the meat as well, but a lot more broken down meat fits on a ship than live bodies of animals.
if it is cheaper to live export, fueling large trucks to transport the animals to the ports, then fueling and paying for crew for large ships to transport them to their own country for slaughter, surely something is out of whack? As that is a hell of lot of resources used.
Yes you need to use resources to transport the meat as well, but a lot more broken down meat fits on a ship than live bodies of animals.
thats what I was thinking too. Surely live export involves alot of actual handling of the product, in this case cattle or sheep. Farm to Stock yard to Market to Truck/train to Ship to storage to sea to off load to market to slaughter to shop....
As they are coming from Aus then the transport costs would be Aus based, so I would assume that it would be expensive.
I know that once the animals are on the ship, they are likely ignored and left to rot, but there is still the cost of the ship, the crew and such.
Shell225: thats what I was thinking too. Surely live export involves alot of actual handling of the product, in this case cattle or sheep. Farm to Stock yard to Market to Truck/train to Ship to storage to sea to off load to market to slaughter to shop....
As they are coming from Aus then the transport costs would be Aus based, so I would assume that it would be expensive.
I know that once the animals are on the ship, they are likely ignored and left to rot, but there is still the cost of the ship, the crew and such.
As they are coming from Aus then the transport costs would be Aus based, so I would assume that it would be expensive.
I know that once the animals are on the ship, they are likely ignored and left to rot, but there is still the cost of the ship, the crew and such.
They are obviously getting the meat a lot cheaper than we can buy it in our own country
bluejay2011: I would like to know how much they are getting per kilo for this meat? If it is less than they get in Oz maybe they should discount it here so ppl could afford to eat it.
I have never agreed with live export of anything. Apart from the poor animal having to be shipped in confined spaces, starved etc, I think if you export live animals, which could then be bred in other countries eventually they are able to produce their own so they don't need yours anymore.
JMO
I have never agreed with live export of anything. Apart from the poor animal having to be shipped in confined spaces, starved etc, I think if you export live animals, which could then be bred in other countries eventually they are able to produce their own so they don't need yours anymore.
JMO
Im not against it if it done humanely from start to finish. And bj their not starved. We have a pellet factory just a few kms out of town here that supplies the live export ships that come into the port of Portland with sheep or dairy pellets depending on whats being exported. Yes sadly thier are livestock that die while being shipped but the same thing happens with sheep/ cattle at saleyards, they get injured in the trucks while being taken to the saleyards or die in transit or get injured in the yards themselves.
JMO
jem1964: but this is supposedly an open world economy, if they want the goods they will pay the price.
if it is cheaper to live export, fueling large trucks to transport the animals to the ports, then fueling and paying for crew for large ships to transport them to their own country for slaughter, surely something is out of whack? As that is a hell of lot of resources used.
Yes you need to use resources to transport the meat as well, but a lot more broken down meat fits on a ship than live bodies of animals.
if it is cheaper to live export, fueling large trucks to transport the animals to the ports, then fueling and paying for crew for large ships to transport them to their own country for slaughter, surely something is out of whack? As that is a hell of lot of resources used.
Yes you need to use resources to transport the meat as well, but a lot more broken down meat fits on a ship than live bodies of animals.
I think it's pretty safe to say that if it was cheaper to process it here and transport it frozen then this thread wouldn't exist.
(or at least it's fair to say, that I would have chosen to tear up the Gillard government from a different angle)
Damianowen: I think it's pretty safe to say that if it was cheaper to process it here and transport it frozen then this thread wouldn't exist.
(or at least it's fair to say, that I would have chosen to tear up the Gillard government from a different angle)
(or at least it's fair to say, that I would have chosen to tear up the Gillard government from a different angle)
Let us all get on the band wagon. The Rangyer is right, because a few loud mouths are shouting it out, it must be right. Come on, we need the green vote.
We export what people want. Who cares what it costs. If you live in the NT, transport your cattle to Murray Bridge (closest abbatoirs) and pay the extra $150 cartage per beast. If they don't want to pay the extra price, let the overseas market get it elsewhere. I am sure the USA or Argentina would be happy to oblige.
Seriously, the extra cost to those trying to make a living and the cost of tying up the shipping at $40,000 per day per vessel (existing contracts) means that someone will have to contribute to the costs. Hang on, I am not on the dole so therefore I am capable of contributing.
Thank you Labour (sorry, they spell it different these days) for helping me save the world. Hope the $650,000,000 you took out of my super fund (shared with 2,000 others) makes a difference. I know it does to me. Come on, sell us Aussie battlers some of that beef at a cheaper price.
Sorry, this should have been on the "Whinge" page but they have denied access.
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