Social welfare (55)
Hardcore25Dundalk, Louth Ireland172 Threads 9 Polls 5,365 PostsI've no problem with people claiming the dole if they have enough stamps built up, My problem lies with people who have ran out of credits and are still claiming benefits because it suits them to, they have become far too lazy and they should get up off their fat arses and get a job
so thats why they should be made to work to get their benefit to help society.
I know dole dosser never worked in their adult lives while i have to do 5 12hr shifts a week day and night and not see me kid .
like i said people revolution take down the govement the banks the arseholes who ruined us.
who will stop us not the garda dont care.
not the army dont have enough ammo last more than two day .
I know dole dosser never worked in their adult lives while i have to do 5 12hr shifts a week day and night and not see me kid .
like i said people revolution take down the govement the banks the arseholes who ruined us.
who will stop us not the garda dont care.
not the army dont have enough ammo last more than two day .
kennyfromdublin: How much did this guy defraud the state out of, your man who got 12.5 years defrauded the state out of nearly €250k, I know he did time in the UK in the mid 90's for defrauding the British state out of 30,000stg, saying that I think a sentence of 4-5 years would have been appropriate.
There was a manager who recently got 4 years with 2 years suspended for defrauding FAS out of around €600k, with parole he'll only serve 18 months. Thats a shockingly leniant sentence and your man got 12.5 years for stealing about €250k.
There was a manager who recently got 4 years with 2 years suspended for defrauding FAS out of around €600k, with parole he'll only serve 18 months. Thats a shockingly leniant sentence and your man got 12.5 years for stealing about €250k.
He claimed 8 months payments and was then cut off when he was found out
kennyfromdublin: How many previous convictions did he have?
dont know but I know he spent time in jail before
if a person is entitled to a course, and doesnt want to bother then yes they should have their rate cut, but only temporarily as the reduction would soon make them get of their butts.....
I think the government should address issues like this too:
1 in 5 prisoners in Ireland are STILL getting their dole money paid to them.... Hmmmmm
It is amazing how common folk like us on here can see the issues with the dole - why can't the government see them
1 in 5 prisoners in Ireland are STILL getting their dole money paid to them.... Hmmmmm
It is amazing how common folk like us on here can see the issues with the dole - why can't the government see them
i_Dream: I think the government should address issues like this too:
1 in 5 prisoners in Ireland are STILL getting their dole money paid to them.... Hmmmmm
It is amazing how common folk like us on here can see the issues with the dole - why can't the government see them
1 in 5 prisoners in Ireland are STILL getting their dole money paid to them.... Hmmmmm
It is amazing how common folk like us on here can see the issues with the dole - why can't the government see them
The reason we can see it is because we're the ones who are being affected by all these cuts, even those who aren't on social welfare.
By god this a joke back to work schemes or ce courses for what there are no Jobs.
lostinspace: By god this a joke back to work schemes or ce courses for what there are no Jobs.
I was wondering the same. How can you force people into jobs when there are few jobs available. I suppose the point of the exercise is
1. To make those with a job put up with more pay cuts
2. Introduce welfare wage workers along side paid workers to keep the paid workers in line and willing to take more pay cuts.
This combined with the attack on JLC's and the Union sell-outs giving in we can expect... lower wages. The Laval case being a good indicator of the way our European masters intend driving us back into a feudal serfdom.
howlingwolf: I was wondering the same. How can you force people into jobs when there are few jobs available. I suppose the point of the exercise is
1. To make those with a job put up with more pay cuts
2. Introduce welfare wage workers along side paid workers to keep the paid workers in line and willing to take more pay cuts.
This combined with the attack on JLC's and the Union sell-outs giving in we can expect... lower wages. The Laval case being a good indicator of the way our European masters intend driving us back into a feudal serfdom.
1. To make those with a job put up with more pay cuts
2. Introduce welfare wage workers along side paid workers to keep the paid workers in line and willing to take more pay cuts.
This combined with the attack on JLC's and the Union sell-outs giving in we can expect... lower wages. The Laval case being a good indicator of the way our European masters intend driving us back into a feudal serfdom.
It's not so much job refusal as training refusal that they want to target.
snowlynx: It's not so much job refusal as training refusal that they want to target.
I may be wrong but isn't a lot of the 'training' in the form of what they call job placement? That's where someone works alongside a fully paid employee for their dole money. I heard them saying they were going to have unemployed teachers working alongside fully paid teachers and other similar schemes. It seems the Unions are not really standing up to this agenda. I'm surprised they didn't start with the two biggest sell-out unions headed by Horan and O'Connor, they would be easier prey than the militant teachers in my opinion.
From what i understand its people who are making no effort to look for work whatsoever not people who are looking but unfortunately cant find employment.
howlingwolf: I may be wrong but isn't a lot of the 'training' in the form of what they call job placement? That's where someone works alongside a fully paid employee for their dole money. I heard them saying they were going to have unemployed teachers working alongside fully paid teachers and other similar schemes. It seems the Unions are not really standing up to this agenda. I'm surprised they didn't start with the two biggest sell-out unions headed by Horan and O'Connor, they would be easier prey than the militant teachers in my opinion.
Interesting points there...
As with any thread that has deep social impact (the best threads in my opinion), there are possible answers to all problems...
My stand...Im reaching the cutoff point in my line of work, Technology and advanced years preclude me from keeping up with the needs of my employers, why then could we not have a system in place where young unemployed people work with senior skilled employees in a "Job share" alliance...much like job placement / training, with a view to freeing up an elderly workforce to enjoy there later years while prepairing a new and vital younger workforce to address the needs, and meet the demands of a higher productivity driven workplace...
This serves all, jobs for the unemployed, a certain form of financial relief for the state, the enablement of "time richness" for older employees (assuming they are financially secure, Mortgages paid, kids grown up, some savings), and a new workforce for changing business models...
Its worth noting I have been in the same line of work for the last 27 years, I have seen changes like you would'nt believe, and would relish the opportunity to share my job and use the free time to train up for something more in keeping with where i am in my life right now...( weather it be voluntary or paid)...Im sure there are many who, like me think its time for change, and with the passage of time see different work possibilities spread out before them...
Though no guarantees of work would be "expected", the thought of further employment options keeps one hopefull...
Idealistic, you tell me!...But not looking for workable solutions is in itself no solution at all...
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why then could we not have a system in place where young unemployed people work with senior skilled employees in a "Job share" alliance...much like job placement / training, with a view to freeing up an elderly workforce to enjoy there later years while prepairing a new and vital younger workforce to address the needs, and meet the demands of a higher productivity driven workplace.....
why then could we not have a system in place where young unemployed people work with senior skilled employees in a "Job share" alliance...much like job placement / training, with a view to freeing up an elderly workforce to enjoy there later years while prepairing a new and vital younger workforce to address the needs, and meet the demands of a higher productivity driven workplace.....
That's all very sensible and worker centred but not what Europe has in mind at all.
Older workers will not enjoy their later years as the retirement age will be raised and raised. Isn't what you mean an apprenticeship more or less? So it would be reasonable to pay an apprentice less but a teacher working for their dole alongside a paid colleague is already trained. Why should they be treated as an apprentice or trainee?
If I may cite another real example I came across just this morning. A local coffee shop let go a JLC rated worker to take on a 'work placement' worker from Welfare. This worker will do the same work for the same hours but we the taxpayer will pay their wages for the employer. Who is on welfare there? A worker who is getting €4.70/hr (188/40)or the employer? After 9 months they will go back on the dole and another monkey will be dragged out to make the sandwitches. Not much training there. Just cheap workers. Incidentally it's the job placement monkey who works on Sunday, not the remaining (for now) JLC rated employee. I think we can all see where this is going.
howlingwolf: That's all very sensible and worker centred but not what Europe has in mind at all.
Older workers will not enjoy their later years as the retirement age will be raised and raised. Isn't what you mean an apprenticeship more or less? So it would be reasonable to pay an apprentice less but a teacher working for their dole alongside a paid colleague is already trained. Why should they be treated as an apprentice or trainee?
If I may cite another real example I came across just this morning. A local coffee shop let go a JLC rated worker to take on a 'work placement' worker from Welfare. This worker will do the same work for the same hours but we the taxpayer will pay their wages for the employer. Who is on welfare there? A worker who is getting €4.70/hr (188/40)or the employer? After 9 months they will go back on the dole and another monkey will be dragged out to make the sandwitches. Not much training there. Just cheap workers. Incidentally it's the job placement monkey who works on Sunday, not the remaining (for now) JLC rated employee. I think we can all see where this is going.
Older workers will not enjoy their later years as the retirement age will be raised and raised. Isn't what you mean an apprenticeship more or less? So it would be reasonable to pay an apprentice less but a teacher working for their dole alongside a paid colleague is already trained. Why should they be treated as an apprentice or trainee?
If I may cite another real example I came across just this morning. A local coffee shop let go a JLC rated worker to take on a 'work placement' worker from Welfare. This worker will do the same work for the same hours but we the taxpayer will pay their wages for the employer. Who is on welfare there? A worker who is getting €4.70/hr (188/40)or the employer? After 9 months they will go back on the dole and another monkey will be dragged out to make the sandwitches. Not much training there. Just cheap workers. Incidentally it's the job placement monkey who works on Sunday, not the remaining (for now) JLC rated employee. I think we can all see where this is going.
Read what you said, And yes, your perfectly correct, as in my closing line a said "Idealist", While im a million miles from knowing anything about the JLC or labour laws here in ireland, (unlike your good self), I do feel there is need for an enlightened thinking inside government (though im not holding my breath on that one)...
The fact that Ireland has a relativly small working populous trying to support an ever growing retirement and social benefit sector in an economic downturn is something that is here for the long haul...Keeping the elderly in work to try and stave off the inevitable cost to the exchequer is futile and counter productive, particularly in manual labour jobs and those jobs involving continious technological change...
True indeed that present systems are up for "explotiation" by unscroupulous employers, And while i wouldn't sanction it, i completely understand why they do it...Business is business, and every euro saved in wages is another euro up on there bottom line...Dont wonder at why they do it, wonder instead at a government who are "asleep at the wheel" in letting this rediculous situation be a matter of fact in the first place...FTR, the company I work for is playing a game of legal minimalism in staffing levels, reduced wages, rolling contracts, expected extra "face time", this is the new face of some big business's... Reality bites (and the motor trades suck!)...
Sadly, "the revolution will not be televised", because there will be no revolution...
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