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vinny1967: New leglislation to oblige single mothers to name fathers on birth certSingle mothers will be obliged to name the father of their child on their birth certificates, under new legislation.
Social Protection Minister Joan Burton is introducing the law following recommendations from the Law Reform Commission.
It says every child has a right to know who both its parents are.
Around 4,000 children do not have their father named on their birth cert every year.
The Law Reform Commission says there are a number of reasons for this - some single mothers wrongly believe naming the father will affect their social welfare benefits, whilst others think it will give the father automatic access rights - which is also incorrect.
The Commission has recommended that single mothers should have to name the father - to strengthen the right of the child to know their parents.
And its warned that without this new law - there is a risk of two people growing up and starting a relationship together - without knowing they are related.
However there will have to be some exemptions for mothers who do not know who the father is, or for mothers who fear for their safety if the father is notified.
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Social Protection Minister Joan Burton is introducing the law following recommendations from the Law Reform Commission.
It says every child has a right to know who both its parents are.
Around 4,000 children do not have their father named on their birth cert every year.
The Law Reform Commission says there are a number of reasons for this - some single mothers wrongly believe naming the father will affect their social welfare benefits, whilst others think it will give the father automatic access rights - which is also incorrect.
The Commission has recommended that single mothers should have to name the father - to strengthen the right of the child to know their parents.
And its warned that without this new law - there is a risk of two people growing up and starting a relationship together - without knowing they are related.
However there will have to be some exemptions for mothers who do not know who the father is, or for mothers who fear for their safety if the father is notified.
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Once there are exemption Vinnny it wont work. Any mother who doesn't want the Dads name on it will just say the don't know why the Dad is.
The government only want this not so the kid can know both parents but so they can try to get the Dad to pay for his Kid. I agree faters should help with the upbringing of their kids but the gov should give the real reasons for this and not pretend they care about the children. It just shows how low they will sink.
Also a lot of things need to be looked at. I have friends who have kids and they pay every month towards their upkeep but the mother still decides weather they get to see them or not. If she is in a modd she will just acll and say you cant see the kids this week. Its wrong!
vinny1967: New leglislation to oblige single mothers to name fathers on birth certSingle mothers will be obliged to name the father of their child on their birth certificates, under new legislation.
Social Protection Minister Joan Burton is introducing the law following recommendations from the Law Reform Commission.
It says every child has a right to know who both its parents are.
Around 4,000 children do not have their father named on their birth cert every year.
The Law Reform Commission says there are a number of reasons for this - some single mothers wrongly believe naming the father will affect their social welfare benefits, whilst others think it will give the father automatic access rights - which is also incorrect.
The Commission has recommended that single mothers should have to name the father - to strengthen the right of the child to know their parents.
And its warned that without this new law - there is a risk of two people growing up and starting a relationship together - without knowing they are related.
However there will have to be some exemptions for mothers who do not know who the father is, or for mothers who fear for their safety if the father is notified.
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What do you think
I think the fathers name should be on birth cert, do you not?Social Protection Minister Joan Burton is introducing the law following recommendations from the Law Reform Commission.
It says every child has a right to know who both its parents are.
Around 4,000 children do not have their father named on their birth cert every year.
The Law Reform Commission says there are a number of reasons for this - some single mothers wrongly believe naming the father will affect their social welfare benefits, whilst others think it will give the father automatic access rights - which is also incorrect.
The Commission has recommended that single mothers should have to name the father - to strengthen the right of the child to know their parents.
And its warned that without this new law - there is a risk of two people growing up and starting a relationship together - without knowing they are related.
However there will have to be some exemptions for mothers who do not know who the father is, or for mothers who fear for their safety if the father is notified.
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What do you think
Theoneucanthate: I think the fathers name should be on birth cert, do you not?
Yes I do.
Unfortunately there are lots of problems with that from what I can see. Do they need proof as to the father or are they just going to take the mothers word for it ?
sofarsogood74: Once there are exemption Vinnny it wont work. Any mother who doesn't want the Dads name on it will just say the don't know why the Dad is.
The government only want this not so the kid can know both parents but so they can try to get the Dad to pay for his Kid. I agree faters should help with the upbringing of their kids but the gov should give the real reasons for this and not pretend they care about the children. It just shows how low they will sink.
Also a lot of things need to be looked at. I have friends who have kids and they pay every month towards their upkeep but the mother still decides weather they get to see them or not. If she is in a modd she will just acll and say you cant see the kids this week. Its wrong!
The government only want this not so the kid can know both parents but so they can try to get the Dad to pay for his Kid. I agree faters should help with the upbringing of their kids but the gov should give the real reasons for this and not pretend they care about the children. It just shows how low they will sink.
Also a lot of things need to be looked at. I have friends who have kids and they pay every month towards their upkeep but the mother still decides weather they get to see them or not. If she is in a modd she will just acll and say you cant see the kids this week. Its wrong!
Am not sure it's workable either and would like to read more on their proposals as it raises some serious questions regardless, even if it's well intentioned.
vinny1967: New leglislation to oblige single mothers to name fathers on birth certSingle mothers will be obliged to name the father of their child on their birth certificates, under new legislation.
Social Protection Minister Joan Burton is introducing the law following recommendations from the Law Reform Commission.
It says every child has a right to know who both its parents are.
Around 4,000 children do not have their father named on their birth cert every year.
The Law Reform Commission says there are a number of reasons for this - some single mothers wrongly believe naming the father will affect their social welfare benefits, whilst others think it will give the father automatic access rights - which is also incorrect.
The Commission has recommended that single mothers should have to name the father - to strengthen the right of the child to know their parents.
And its warned that without this new law - there is a risk of two people growing up and starting a relationship together - without knowing they are related.
However there will have to be some exemptions for mothers who do not know who the father is, or for mothers who fear for their safety if the father is notified.
Read more:
What do you think
Social Protection Minister Joan Burton is introducing the law following recommendations from the Law Reform Commission.
It says every child has a right to know who both its parents are.
Around 4,000 children do not have their father named on their birth cert every year.
The Law Reform Commission says there are a number of reasons for this - some single mothers wrongly believe naming the father will affect their social welfare benefits, whilst others think it will give the father automatic access rights - which is also incorrect.
The Commission has recommended that single mothers should have to name the father - to strengthen the right of the child to know their parents.
And its warned that without this new law - there is a risk of two people growing up and starting a relationship together - without knowing they are related.
However there will have to be some exemptions for mothers who do not know who the father is, or for mothers who fear for their safety if the father is notified.
Read more:
What do you think
It will actually effect their payment as the SW will contact the father, he will have to fill out an income report and the SW then decide how much he should be paying in maintenance, this is then counted as income to the mother. Not saying this is wrong, of course dads should contribute just saying that this is what happens in more recent cases.
I do agree that a child has the right to know who both their parents are and only in extreme cases i.e. the mothers and childs safety should fathers name not be put on the birth chert.
Glatlol: It will actually effect their payment as the SW will contact the father, he will have to fill out an income report and the SW then decide how much he should be paying in maintenance, this is then counted as income to the mother. Not saying this is wrong, of course dads should contribute just saying that this is what happens in more recent cases.
Am not sure how all that works i.e. single parent allowance but I do know of some women who are just milking the system. No different to the men and maybe Sofarsoggod is right as it's a way to cut down on SW payments.
I do agree that a child has the right to know who both their parents are and only in extreme cases i.e. the mothers and childs safety should fathers name not be put on the birth chert.
Am not sure how all that works i.e. single parent allowance but I do know of some women who are just milking the system. No different to the men and maybe Sofarsoggod is right as it's a way to cut down on SW payments.
I do agree that a child has the right to know who both their parents are and only in extreme cases i.e. the mothers and childs safety should fathers name not be put on the birth chert.
Yeah completely agree.
vinny1967: Yes I do.
Unfortunately there are lots of problems with that from what I can see. Do they need proof as to the father or are they just going to take the mothers word for it ?
Unfortunately there are lots of problems with that from what I can see. Do they need proof as to the father or are they just going to take the mothers word for it ?
If not married both parents have to go to register the birth and both signatures are required.
Glatlol: It will actually effect their payment as the SW will contact the father, he will have to fill out an income report and the SW then decide how much he should be paying in maintenance, this is then counted as income to the mother. Not saying this is wrong, of course dads should contribute just saying that this is what happens in more recent cases.
I do agree that a child has the right to know who both their parents are and only in extreme cases i.e. the mothers and childs safety should fathers name not be put on the birth chert.
I do agree that a child has the right to know who both their parents are and only in extreme cases i.e. the mothers and childs safety should fathers name not be put on the birth chert.
Am not sure how all that works i.e. single parent allowance but I do know of some women who are just milking the system. No different to the men and maybe Sofarsoggod is right as it's a way to cut down on SW payments.
Yeah I agree that a child has a right to know.
Have been thinking about the Mother's and child's safety at risk. How is that proven ? Whats to stop a mother with grievances manipulating this situation to the detriment of the fathers rights ?
Jeez lots of problems and unanswered questions
Glatlol: If not married both parents have to go to register the birth and both signatures are required.
I don't think this really applies to people who are willing to claim parentage
vinny1967: My point exactly
DNA test for every child ?
Who pays for that
it's like a father having to pay child maintenance for his kid. Personally I think that will never be brought in. I no a girl who has a kid. The sees the kid, he's unemployed and doesn't pay a penny towards her upkeep and the girl looks for no money off himDNA test for every child ?
Who pays for that
Glatlol: If the SW do not receive a signed doc from the mother that she is receiving the money from the father they can decide to give her full benefit and he has to send the money directly to SW, they can get an order to have it taken from his wages also.
Yes they can. But this rarely happens as it costs money. And the fater can appeal it too. And how often do social welfare decide to give someone full benefit when they don't have to?
This will make it more likely a young mother will say she doesn't know who the father is so she wont get her benefits cut in the future in my opinion.
Fathers names can be added to birth certs years later.
vinny1967: New leglislation to oblige single mothers to name fathers on birth certSingle mothers will be obliged to name the father of their child on their birth certificates, under new legislation.
Social Protection Minister Joan Burton is introducing the law following recommendations from the Law Reform Commission.
It says every child has a right to know who both its parents are.
Around 4,000 children do not have their father named on their birth cert every year.
The Law Reform Commission says there are a number of reasons for this - some single mothers wrongly believe naming the father will affect their social welfare benefits, whilst others think it will give the father automatic access rights - which is also incorrect.
The Commission has recommended that single mothers should have to name the father - to strengthen the right of the child to know their parents.
And its warned that without this new law - there is a risk of two people growing up and starting a relationship together - without knowing they are related.
However there will have to be some exemptions for mothers who do not know who the father is, or for mothers who fear for their safety if the father is notified.
Read more:
What do you think
Social Protection Minister Joan Burton is introducing the law following recommendations from the Law Reform Commission.
It says every child has a right to know who both its parents are.
Around 4,000 children do not have their father named on their birth cert every year.
The Law Reform Commission says there are a number of reasons for this - some single mothers wrongly believe naming the father will affect their social welfare benefits, whilst others think it will give the father automatic access rights - which is also incorrect.
The Commission has recommended that single mothers should have to name the father - to strengthen the right of the child to know their parents.
And its warned that without this new law - there is a risk of two people growing up and starting a relationship together - without knowing they are related.
However there will have to be some exemptions for mothers who do not know who the father is, or for mothers who fear for their safety if the father is notified.
Read more:
What do you think
I think it is right that a man should support his child financially. Yeah all for naming them and if they want a DNA test make them pay for it if it proves they are the childs biological father. What is that show I seen once where these black Americans are searching for their babies daddy, Maury?
stanley8m: I think it is right that a man should support his child financially. Yeah all for naming them and if they want a DNA test make them pay for it if it proves they are the childs biological father. What is that show I seen once where these black Americans are searching for their babies daddy, Maury?
I would be for it too Stan but as someone said if there are loopholes then it will likely to be abused.
In saying that I see this initiative as a good thing.
Take your pick of the programmes as there are so many
vinny1967: This is what you stated
I personally don't see it that way Sofar. I am not naieve enough to think that its not a way for the Gov to reduce benefits but it's a way of going after the person responsible.
I don't think anyone can argue that there is not fraud going on when it comes to this and that's our money that people are stealing.
But as regards the genuine cases I see no problem with the Gov going to source and taking from the father's salary or their benefits and not reducing the mother's payments.
I personally don't see it that way Sofar. I am not naieve enough to think that its not a way for the Gov to reduce benefits but it's a way of going after the person responsible.
I don't think anyone can argue that there is not fraud going on when it comes to this and that's our money that people are stealing.
But as regards the genuine cases I see no problem with the Gov going to source and taking from the father's salary or their benefits and not reducing the mother's payments.
I dont have a problem with them looking for money from the father. But this is where it gets messy. They can't just start taking money from someones wages. I think they can take 15% of his wage for a child and the % changes if there are more kids.
I think thats fait enough and I do believe the father should pay but what I am saying is it will get messy.
You will have guys claiming they are not the father, then whos responsibilty is it to prove he is.
If a fathers name is on the cert will benefits be automatically reduced and then its up to the mother to prove she is not getting support from the father?
And what about self employed fathers? Who will take it out of their wage? So will those mothers have their benefits reduced?
The walfare people in Ireland are not here to help people. They are here to give as little money as possible to as few people as possible. They make it so hard to get benefits that a lot of people just give up.
I can see so many young women being caught in red tape and loopholes here and they will get their benefits cut ot stopped and then the child suffers!
Thsi government does not care about children, women or the people in Ireland generally, all they want to do is save money to pay banks bills.
sofarsogood74: I dont have a problem with them looking for money from the father. But this is where it gets messy. They can't just start taking money from someones wages. I think they can take 15% of his wage for a child and the % changes if there are more kids.
I think thats fait enough and I do believe the father should pay but what I am saying is it will get messy.
You will have guys claiming they are not the father, then whos responsibilty is it to prove he is.
If a fathers name is on the cert will benefits be automatically reduced and then its up to the mother to prove she is not getting support from the father?
And what about self employed fathers? Who will take it out of their wage? So will those mothers have their benefits reduced?
The walfare people in Ireland are not here to help people. They are here to give as little money as possible to as few people as possible. They make it so hard to get benefits that a lot of people just give up.
I can see so many young women being caught in red tape and loopholes here and they will get their benefits cut ot stopped and then the child suffers!
Thsi government does not care about children, women or the people in Ireland generally, all they want to do is save money to pay banks bills.
I think thats fait enough and I do believe the father should pay but what I am saying is it will get messy.
You will have guys claiming they are not the father, then whos responsibilty is it to prove he is.
If a fathers name is on the cert will benefits be automatically reduced and then its up to the mother to prove she is not getting support from the father?
And what about self employed fathers? Who will take it out of their wage? So will those mothers have their benefits reduced?
The walfare people in Ireland are not here to help people. They are here to give as little money as possible to as few people as possible. They make it so hard to get benefits that a lot of people just give up.
I can see so many young women being caught in red tape and loopholes here and they will get their benefits cut ot stopped and then the child suffers!
Thsi government does not care about children, women or the people in Ireland generally, all they want to do is save money to pay banks bills.
I completely agree that there would be tonnes of problems with this, not least proving who the father is, but I think a lot of those problems can be overcome.
I see nothing wrong with having the fathers names on birth certs (it would suit a lot of fathers who actually want to be a parent to their child) and I see nothing wrong with looking for absentee fathers who don't pay a penny toward their child's upbringing. I see this initiative is being a very positive thing in many ways.
I would hope that whatever comes of this they will take the child's interest as being paramount and not cut benefits to the mother because they can't take it from source off the father.
jen1212: Its just so the Government will try to get the father or mother to pay maintainance! Its all about money in ,my oopinion
But why shouldnt both parents be financially responsible for children?
jen1212: Its just so the Government will try to get the father or mother to pay maintainance! Its all about money in ,my oopinion
Considering its coming from recommendations from the Law Society of Ireland I would think there are a lot of good reasons (apart from collecting maintenance which I think is a good reason) for this law. Not least of which is the fathers rights to be part of his child's life and the child's rights.
jen1212: Its just so the Government will try to get the father or mother to pay maintainance! Its all about money in ,my oopinion
Uhm yeah,, exactly.. the parents should pay for their childs upbringing.. who else do you expect to pay for it??
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Single mothers will be obliged to name the father of their child on their birth certificates, under new legislation.
Social Protection Minister Joan Burton is introducing the law following recommendations from the Law Reform Commission.
It says every child has a right to know who both its parents are.
Around 4,000 children do not have their father named on their birth cert every year.
The Law Reform Commission says there are a number of reasons for this - some single mothers wrongly believe naming the father will affect their social welfare benefits, whilst others think it will give the father automatic access rights - which is also incorrect.
The Commission has recommended that single mothers should have to name the father - to strengthen the right of the child to know their parents.
And its warned that without this new law - there is a risk of two people growing up and starting a relationship together - without knowing they are related.
However there will have to be some exemptions for mothers who do not know who the father is, or for mothers who fear for their safety if the father is notified.
Read more:
What do you think