Are jobs a thing of the past? ( Archived) (34)

Aug 31, 2012 10:02 PM CST Are jobs a thing of the past?
WhatUwish4
WhatUwish4WhatUwish4St. Augustine, Florida USA2 Threads 7,986 Posts
IamTab: If you want to see those competitive salaries and benefits come back, we need to get those companies flourishing so that they, once again, need to compete for YOUR skills.

Today anything you have for a skill a robot can do faster, cheaper, and with higher quality. Once the robot is set up right all the goods are all made exactly the same. Robot work far less per hour, never complain, don't have vacation time, don't take off for holidays, never sleep or eat, and don't need rest. They also don't need any retirement fund set up for later. They are simply recycled into new better faster robots.
Ever see an old black and white movie with 100 secretaries typing away? Computers do that now, and they are much faster. With the next generation of robots there will be no more factory jobs.


Sure robots can so some of those things but you still need someone to make them, sell them and service them. And there are so many other types of jobs beyond the factories. Lab techs, scientists, writers, doctors, researchers, innovators and so on. A robot is only as good as the company that owns it. laugh
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Sep 1, 2012 2:00 AM CST Are jobs a thing of the past?
derda
derdaderdachur, Grisons Switzerland23 Threads 3 Polls 132 Posts
I don't think we could create jobs on Earth anymore. But expanding elsewhere, for example to Mars could create new jobs...uhmmm I'm to old for a space apprenticeship. rolling on the floor laughing
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Sep 1, 2012 2:50 AM CST Are jobs a thing of the past?
akpauly
akpaulyakpaulywasilla, Alaska USA3 Threads 2 Polls 17 Posts
thne next generation will have to be really good at fixing all those robots, I guess. :)
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Sep 1, 2012 2:52 AM CST Are jobs a thing of the past?
akpauly
akpaulyakpaulywasilla, Alaska USA3 Threads 2 Polls 17 Posts
....and they'll need to have smaller fingers. darn it.
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Sep 1, 2012 4:04 AM CST Are jobs a thing of the past?
Albertaghost
AlbertaghostAlbertaghostCultural Wasteland, Alberta Canada76 Threads 5 Polls 5,914 Posts
IamTab: In one example, a robotic manufacturing system initially cost $250,000 and replaced two machine operators, each earning $50,000 a year. Over the 15-year life of the system, the machines yielded $3.5 million in labor and productivity savings.


The machines of course can direct traffic, weld a joint, carry the product to and from the production table, select the right drill bit on an adapted extension, answer the bosses question as to what the recommendation is for a quick change in product, give co workers advice on what their tasks or standards are and boost morale.

Point is they can't so your one machine will have to be twenty which means a loss rather than a gain.

Show me a factory where one person does one particular specific job every day n and out and I'll show you a place where they just might be able to be replaced by a machine but in reality, each worker is required to do a variety of jobs prior to and after his or her specific task. Hence your machine must replace a lot more than one person.
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Sep 1, 2012 3:20 PM CST Are jobs a thing of the past?
IamTab
IamTabIamTabCookeville, Tennessee USA77 Threads 341 Posts
WhatUwish4: Sure robots can so some of those things but you still need someone to make them, sell them and service them. And there are so many other types of jobs beyond the factories. Lab techs, scientists, writers, doctors, researchers, innovators and so on. A robot is only as good as the company that owns it.


We have robot surgeons right now!
The next generation of robots will build robots and repair them, so build and service is done and awaiting the factory floor right now.
Robots pick out and delivery goods and materials from the warehouse also.
Robots have already replaced many lab techs, the rest will be far to soon.
Sooner than you may think "WE" will be only to be the artists, inventors, scientists, researchers, and writers.
With so many humans there are only so many of these that can used at any time. What do the rest of us do?
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Sep 2, 2012 3:12 PM CST Are jobs a thing of the past?
IamTab
IamTabIamTabCookeville, Tennessee USA77 Threads 341 Posts
Albertaghost: The machines of course can direct traffic, weld a joint, carry the product to and from the production table, select the right drill bit on an adapted extension, answer the bosses question as to what the recommendation is for a quick change in product, give co workers advice on what their tasks or standards are and boost morale.

Point is they can't so your one machine will have to be twenty which means a loss rather than a gain.

Show me a factory where one person does one particular specific job every day n and out and I'll show you a place where they just might be able to be replaced by a machine but in reality, each worker is required to do a variety of jobs prior to and after his or her specific task. Hence your machine must replace a lot more than one person.


Damn you're 10 years behind! Robots can crack an egg better than a chef. They see to such a much finer degree than any human, drill bits is nothing now. robots can see a 1/1000 inch difference we can't.

And as for changes just load the new program and the robots have at it. No long meetings, no training, no mistakes.
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Sep 5, 2012 11:30 AM CST Are jobs a thing of the past?
Rumple4skin
Rumple4skinRumple4skinStoke-on-Trent, Staffordshire, England UK4 Threads 1 Polls 980 Posts
IamTab: NY Times – A new wave of robots, far more adept than those now commonly used by automakers and other heavy manufacturers, are replacing workers around the world in both manufacturing and distribution. Factories like the one here in the Netherlands are a striking counterpoint to those used by Apple and other consumer electronics giants, which employ hundreds of thousands of low-skilled workers. The dutch factory here has several dozen workers per shift, about a tenth as many as the plant in the Chinese city of Zhuhai.


At an automation trade show last year in Chicago, Ron Potter, the director of robotics technology at an Atlanta consulting firm called Factory Automation Systems, offered attendees a spreadsheet to calculate how quickly robots would pay for themselves.

In one example, a robotic manufacturing system initially cost $250,000 and replaced two machine operators, each earning $50,000 a year. Over the 15-year life of the system, the machines yielded $3.5 million in labor and productivity savings.




Your concerns are not unwarranted, but they're nothing new and at least previously society has found ways of creating new avenues for employment.. or in the worst case scenarios, war has been the most effective method of reducing unemployment and preventing humanity expanding too far beyond its current means of existence.

I think the proportions employed in the factory setting will reduce. However, if we ditched some of the crude practices in agriculture and fishing and adopted high-quality, labour-intensive farming & fisheries this would create employment and de-urbanise the population, which are positives for Humanity on both counts.
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Sep 5, 2012 11:58 AM CST Are jobs a thing of the past?
Zebaztian
ZebaztianZebaztianOslo, Norway9 Threads 1 Polls 278 Posts
?"...analysts insist that Chinese factories have to become more automated to compete in the global market...
In fact, industrial robots are already cheaper than workers in China's eastern regions"
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Sep 5, 2012 12:04 PM CST Are jobs a thing of the past?
IamTab
IamTabIamTabCookeville, Tennessee USA77 Threads 341 Posts
Rumple4skin: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luddite

Your concerns are not unwarranted, but they're nothing new and at least previously society has found ways of creating new avenues for employment.. or in the worst case scenarios, war has been the most effective method of reducing unemployment and preventing humanity expanding too far beyond its current means of existence.

I think the proportions employed in the factory setting will reduce. However, if we ditched some of the crude practices in agriculture and fishing and adopted high-quality, labour-intensive farming & fisheries this would create employment and de-urbanise the population, which are positives for Humanity on both counts.


There is no reason why robots would not be doing the farming as well. a robot could see ripe fruits and veggies far better than we could. For the next few, handful of years at best we may have work there. The Japanese have robot bus drivers so driving anything robots can do now.

Fishing thats just tooo easy also. Drive the boat by GPS, a snap. Real in the nets, done. Pick and cast back whats unwanted, toooo easy.
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Sep 5, 2012 12:04 PM CST Are jobs a thing of the past?
benni2
benni2benni2eire, Tipperary Ireland26 Threads 2,399 Posts
heard theirs loads of jobs in jeopardy.whereever that is?
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Sep 5, 2012 12:05 PM CST Are jobs a thing of the past?
IamTab
IamTabIamTabCookeville, Tennessee USA77 Threads 341 Posts
benni2: heard theirs loads of jobs in jeopardy.whereever that is?
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Sep 5, 2012 2:27 PM CST Are jobs a thing of the past?
Zebaztian
ZebaztianZebaztianOslo, Norway9 Threads 1 Polls 278 Posts
"Financial problems of the major markets may reduce growth of the world economy or even cause a recession. This may result in decreasing investments also in robotics. In that case, planned investments might be restrained for a while. The trend towards automation will continue at a later point in order to increase productivity, profitability and to guarantee sustainability of industrial production."

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Sep 5, 2012 2:55 PM CST Are jobs a thing of the past?
Zebaztian
ZebaztianZebaztianOslo, Norway9 Threads 1 Polls 278 Posts
This is something the next generation growing up will have to solve.
Listen to what speed theorist Paul Virilio has to say.

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