Are jobs a thing of the past? (34)
IamTab: NY Times – A new wave of robots, far more adept than those now commonly used by automakers and other heavy manufacturers, are replacing workers around the world in both manufacturing and distribution. Factories like the one here in the Netherlands are a striking counterpoint to those used by Apple and other consumer electronics giants, which employ hundreds of thousands of low-skilled workers. The dutch factory here has several dozen workers per shift, about a tenth as many as the plant in the Chinese city of Zhuhai.
At an automation trade show last year in Chicago, Ron Potter, the director of robotics technology at an Atlanta consulting firm called Factory Automation Systems, offered attendees a spreadsheet to calculate how quickly robots would pay for themselves.
In one example, a robotic manufacturing system initially cost $250,000 and replaced two machine operators, each earning $50,000 a year. Over the 15-year life of the system, the machines yielded $3.5 million in labor and productivity savings.
Great , all those robots making things for people who have no work or money .At an automation trade show last year in Chicago, Ron Potter, the director of robotics technology at an Atlanta consulting firm called Factory Automation Systems, offered attendees a spreadsheet to calculate how quickly robots would pay for themselves.
In one example, a robotic manufacturing system initially cost $250,000 and replaced two machine operators, each earning $50,000 a year. Over the 15-year life of the system, the machines yielded $3.5 million in labor and productivity savings.
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January 21, 2013 new jobs will be the focus of President Romney 
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montemonte: January 21, 2013 new jobs will be the focus of President Romney
If he is going to do that by cutting taxes that benefit the rich the most it will not work. We have had tax cuts under the guise of job creation ever since Reagan. We should be inundated with jobs by now. Where are they ??
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Well, I HAVE one so I guess they forgot to tell me 
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Dadude62: If he is going to do that by cutting taxes that benefit the rich the most it will not work. We have had tax cuts under the guise of job creation ever since Reagan. We should be inundated with jobs by now. Where are they ??
I agree Dad..
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guess the Luddites will get their Sledges and Axes ready!
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epirb: Great , all those robots making things for people who have no work or money .
Yeah that's just what I thought as well. How do we buy what the robots make without jobs?
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montemonte: January 21, 2013 new jobs will be the focus of President Romney
How do know when a politician is lying? Their lips are moving!!
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The end result is always the same. The rich get richer and the poor keep getting even poorer! That's why a new age is coming...to wipe away the old...to make way for new. 
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rubendario: The end result is always the same. The rich get richer and the poor keep getting even poorer! That's why a new age is coming...to wipe away the old...to make way for new.
And what a day, what a day, what a Wonderful Day that will be!!!
I'm ready and waiting!
HL
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Dadude62: If he is going to do that by cutting taxes that benefit the rich the most it will not work. We have had tax cuts under the guise of job creation ever since Reagan. We should be inundated with jobs by now. Where are they ??
Ask Obama.
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WhatUwish4: Ask Obama.
For what more lies??
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rubendario: The end result is always the same. The rich get richer and the poor keep getting even poorer! That's why a new age is coming...to wipe away the old...to make way for new.
According to the congressional budget office, that is just another liberal myth.
Between 2007 and 2009, (once the Democrats took over Congress and the recession started) the earnings accrued after taxes by the top 1% of wage earners fell 37%. And even before taxes their earnings fell 36%. Meanwhile, the lowest 20% of earners saw their income grow by 3%, while the middle class dropped a modest 2%. This means that the incomes of the top 1% fell 18 times more than middle class incomes. In 2007, the top 1% earned 16.7 percent of all after-tax income, but by 2009, it had shrunk to 11.5%.
So while the rich saw their fortunes plummet, the poor gained, and the middle class treaded water. So much for an ever-widening gap. And as far as the amount paid in taxes, the top 1% paid an average of 28.9%, while the middle class paid 11%.
The (very) liberal New York Times had the gall to say in March, “New statistics show an ever-more-startling divergence between the fortunes of the wealthy and everybody else — and the desperate need to address this wrenching problem.”
One problem; the Times didn’t get their statistics from the CBO.
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venusenvy: Well, I HAVE one so I guess they forgot to tell me
Until the robot they ordered comes.
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WhatUwish4: According to the congressional budget office, that is just another liberal myth.
Between 2007 and 2009, (once the Democrats took over Congress and the recession started) the earnings accrued after taxes by the top 1% of wage earners fell 37%. And even before taxes their earnings fell 36%. Meanwhile, the lowest 20% of earners saw their income grow by 3%, while the middle class dropped a modest 2%. This means that the incomes of the top 1% fell 18 times more than middle class incomes. In 2007, the top 1% earned 16.7 percent of all after-tax income, but by 2009, it had shrunk to 11.5%.
So while the rich saw their fortunes plummet, the poor gained, and the middle class treaded water. So much for an ever-widening gap. And as far as the amount paid in taxes, the top 1% paid an average of 28.9%, while the middle class paid 11%.
The (very) liberal New York Times had the gall to say in March, “New statistics show an ever-more-startling divergence between the fortunes of the wealthy and everybody else — and the desperate need to address this wrenching problem.”
One problem; the Times didn’t get their statistics from the CBO.
Between 2007 and 2009, (once the Democrats took over Congress and the recession started) the earnings accrued after taxes by the top 1% of wage earners fell 37%. And even before taxes their earnings fell 36%. Meanwhile, the lowest 20% of earners saw their income grow by 3%, while the middle class dropped a modest 2%. This means that the incomes of the top 1% fell 18 times more than middle class incomes. In 2007, the top 1% earned 16.7 percent of all after-tax income, but by 2009, it had shrunk to 11.5%.
So while the rich saw their fortunes plummet, the poor gained, and the middle class treaded water. So much for an ever-widening gap. And as far as the amount paid in taxes, the top 1% paid an average of 28.9%, while the middle class paid 11%.
The (very) liberal New York Times had the gall to say in March, “New statistics show an ever-more-startling divergence between the fortunes of the wealthy and everybody else — and the desperate need to address this wrenching problem.”
One problem; the Times didn’t get their statistics from the CBO.
OMG! What a GREAT place for robots to work!! We don't have to pay them, no health care, no pensions, they don't need to steal, don't care about making or having money. They don't complain, don't lie, don't cheat, don't need rest, don't need planes or helicopters. And they are great at cleaning up scum!!
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Here's something to think about. From time to time, some have proposed a flat tax with no deductions, let's say 10% for everybody. Okay, let's look at this. For a person earning $1,000,000 a year, that would be only $100,000, which means they still have $900,000 to play with. That's a lot of money, and most people living carefully could live their whole lives on that amount of money. But 10% of $10,000 is a whopping $1,000 out of an already very limited budget. Yes, the percentage of tax is the same, but the result is much more devestating to the poor than it is for the rich. When people or the media talk about percentages, they don't seem to take this into account. People are so eager to talk about percentages, without taking the time to dig deeper to find out how those percentages actually affect individuals.
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Oh, to answer the original OP's question, it used to be that a person would work for the same firm for 30 years, get their watch, and retire on a nice pension. Nowadays, hardly anybody works for any firm for that long anymore. There's no loyalty between employers and employees, but especially no loyalty for employers towards their employees. Employees are expendable. "If they cost us money, throw 'em out", seems to be the norm now. Companies used to value employees. Now, "We can just hire another low-wage worker, or not hire at all." And companies talk about getting rid of the minimum wage, when a woman janitor in Seattle is earning $11.00 an hour and can't even make it on that wage. In my area of Washington State, many people work 2-3 jobs just to make ends meet, because of poor wages as it is. Employers try to eliminate pensions, and/or pass on the cost of health care, if you're lucky enough to have health care at all.
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HuggerMan4U: Oh, to answer the original OP's question, it used to be that a person would work for the same firm for 30 years, get their watch, and retire on a nice pension. Nowadays, hardly anybody works for any firm for that long anymore. There's no loyalty between employers and employees, but especially no loyalty for employers towards their employees. Employees are expendable. "If they cost us money, throw 'em out", seems to be the norm now. Companies used to value employees. Now, "We can just hire another low-wage worker, or not hire at all." And companies talk about getting rid of the minimum wage, when a woman janitor in Seattle is earning $11.00 an hour and can't even make it on that wage. In my area of Washington State, many people work 2-3 jobs just to make ends meet, because of poor wages as it is. Employers try to eliminate pensions, and/or pass on the cost of health care, if you're lucky enough to have health care at all.
That's all very true Hugger - but there is a fairly simple reason for that. It's called supply and demand. It's hard to believe in just a generation or two we have fallen so far so fast, but it was not that long ago that American business's were exploding with new products and innovations. So much so that there was actually such a huge demand for workers the companies not only paid good salaries and benefits, but they had very good (free) training programs for employees, as well.
Then ever so slowly the government got greedy and started creating expensive new regulations, burdonsome laws and taxes, and all sorts of constraints which caused these business's to fail or go to other countries with less stringent demands.
If you want to see those competitive salaries and benefits come back, we need to get those companies flourishing so that they, once again, need to compete for YOUR skills.
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If you want to see those competitive salaries and benefits come back, we need to get those companies flourishing so that they, once again, need to compete for YOUR skills.
Today anything you have for a skill a robot can do faster, cheaper, and with higher quality. Once the robot is set up right all the goods are all made exactly the same. Robot work far less per hour, never complain, don't have vacation time, don't take off for holidays, never sleep or eat, and don't need rest. They also don't need any retirement fund set up for later. They are simply recycled into new better faster robots.
Ever see an old black and white movie with 100 secretaries typing away? Computers do that now, and they are much faster. With the next generation of robots there will be no more factory jobs.
Today anything you have for a skill a robot can do faster, cheaper, and with higher quality. Once the robot is set up right all the goods are all made exactly the same. Robot work far less per hour, never complain, don't have vacation time, don't take off for holidays, never sleep or eat, and don't need rest. They also don't need any retirement fund set up for later. They are simply recycled into new better faster robots.
Ever see an old black and white movie with 100 secretaries typing away? Computers do that now, and they are much faster. With the next generation of robots there will be no more factory jobs.
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At an automation trade show last year in Chicago, Ron Potter, the director of robotics technology at an Atlanta consulting firm called Factory Automation Systems, offered attendees a spreadsheet to calculate how quickly robots would pay for themselves.
In one example, a robotic manufacturing system initially cost $250,000 and replaced two machine operators, each earning $50,000 a year. Over the 15-year life of the system, the machines yielded $3.5 million in labor and productivity savings.