Rumple4skinStoke-on-Trent, Staffordshire, England UK980 posts
It amazes me how much the US government spends and yet in many ways has so little to show for it.
For instance, your nation has communicable diseases being left untreated, running rampant because of insufficient healthcare coverage - caused by an irrational fear of the state, even where the state makes sense - whilst at the same time your government spending near matches, and your national debt outstrips, all of what you may call Socialist Europe combined. Also bare in mind here that you have less people and one common language, which should make your state inherently cheaper.
JeanKimberley: The news highlights everywhere wasteful government spending - and it is not right or accurate. The houses of congress set the tone and direction to how federal dollars are taxed and funded to states, etc - but the states, cities, towns, counties collect tax dollars and use our tax dollars to - to keep are street lights on, pick up the garbage, enforce our laws and ordinances, allow us to check out books in the libraries, educate our children, ensure safe drinking water.... I could go on and on - to point a finger at a few areas and say wasteful......
well - you already see how annoyed I get!
I agree about the states, cities, towns and counties. I think generally most people feel they all do an excellent job. I know I would much PREFER they handle MORE of the spending responsibilities. And that's really been Romney's point as well - take things out of the Federal Government's hands since it is much too big and out-of-touch to spend wisely - and put it into the hands of the states who have a better "boots on the ground" record of spending. You cannot legislate with a broad brush!
But back to your grievance, did someone say something to imply otherwise?
Rumple4skin: It amazes me how much the US government spends and yet in many ways has so little to show for it. For instance, your nation has communicable diseases being left untreated, running rampant because of insufficient healthcare coverage - caused by an irrational fear of the state, even where the state makes sense - whilst at the same time your government spending near matches, and your national debt outstrips, all of what you may call Socialist Europe combined. Also bare in mind here that you have less people and one common language, which should make your state inherently cheaper.
usa is sadly falling behind other nations on a "national" health care system - there is just social security and social disability security. However your first statement is not true. The US government has a lot to show for it, and we are talking a nation of 308 million people - not including all the "guests" that visit and accidently stay.
Rumple4skin: It amazes me how much the US government spends and yet in many ways has so little to show for it.
For instance, your nation has communicable diseases being left untreated, running rampant because of insufficient healthcare coverage - caused by an irrational fear of the state, even where the state makes sense - whilst at the same time your government spending near matches, and your national debt outstrips, all of what you may call Socialist Europe combined. Also bare in mind here that you have less people and one common language, which should make your state inherently cheaper.
Totally agree. The problem is that the Federal Government has become too big and too far-reaching. They can't manage their way out of a paper bag. Better to five more authority back to the individual states and let them govern in accordance with their specific needs. Of course, they should have a FEW guidelines set in place, but otherwise, give them a little independence to spend the money and run the programs in a manor that is more custom-tailored to their needs!@!!
WhatUwish4: Totally agree. The problem is that the Federal Government has become too big and too far-reaching. They can't manage their way out of a paper bag. Better to five more authority back to the individual states and let them govern in accordance with their specific needs. Of course, they should have a FEW guidelines set in place, but otherwise, give them a little independence to spend the money and run the programs in a manor that is more custom-tailored to their needs!@!!
WhatUwish4: Totally agree. The problem is that the Federal Government has become too big and too far-reaching. They can't manage their way out of a paper bag. Better to five more authority back to the individual states and let them govern in accordance with their specific needs. Of course, they should have a FEW guidelines set in place, but otherwise, give them a little independence to spend the money and run the programs in a manor that is more custom-tailored to their needs!@!!
Governments these days are worse than Hercules' Hydra! Lope one Head off,and it will grow three!
WhatUwish4: Totally agree. The problem is that the Federal Government has become too big and too far-reaching. They can't manage their way out of a paper bag. Better to five more authority back to the individual states and let them govern in accordance with their specific needs. Of course, they should have a FEW guidelines set in place, but otherwise, give them a little independence to spend the money and run the programs in a manor that is more custom-tailored to their needs!@!!
although I disagree - I think the federal government matches the size of our country - which is too big and too far-reaching.
Also there is always a fight between of power between the states and the federal government - it is cyclical and political - it bends, it stretches and it gets beat into shape.
However, it works - and it needs to be constantly worked on.
Rumple4skinStoke-on-Trent, Staffordshire, England UK980 posts
JeanKimberley: usa is sadly falling behind other nations on a "national" health care system - there is just social security and social disability security. However your first statement is not true. The US government has a lot to show for it, and we are talking a nation of 308 million people - not including all the "guests" that visit and accidently stay.
First of all, 308 million is less then the population of Europe by at least tens of millions. As for "guests", Europe(especially the UK) invites the whole World and his Wife to live here and often pays for their healthcare outright.
I would like to hear your case for why the US government performs well in comparison to other developed nations?
You may argue that your universities are better, in a sense they are, however, my isle of some 60 odd million produced Oxford & Cambridge and I would contend that if we had 5 Oxfords & Cambridges(multiplied in proportion to the population difference between our countries)our universities would outclass your own by quite a distance.
You could say the US government foots a larger bill for globalism - this is undeniable - but I regard globalism as an intrinsically bad thing but, this is another argument.
WhatUwish4: I agree about the states, cities, towns and counties. I think generally most people feel they all do an excellent job. I know I would much PREFER they handle MORE of the spending responsibilities. And that's really been Romney's point as well - take things out of the Federal Government's hands since it is much too big and out-of-touch to spend wisely - and put it into the hands of the states who have a better "boots on the ground" record of spending. You cannot legislate with a broad brush!
But back to your grievance, did someone say something to imply otherwise?
tomcatwarneOcean City, Plumouth, Devon, England UK17,106 posts
Rumple4skin: First of all, 308 million is less then the population of Europe by at least tens of millions. As for "guests", Europe(especially the UK) invites the whole World and his Wife to live here and often pays for their healthcare outright.
I would like to hear your case for why the US government performs well in comparison to other developed nations?
You may argue that your universities are better, in a sense they are, however, my isle of some 60 odd million produced Oxford & Cambridge and I would contend that if we had 5 Oxfords & Cambridges(multiplied in proportion to the population difference between our countries)our universities would outclass your own by quite a distance.
You could say the US government foots a larger bill for globalism - this is undeniable - but I regard globalism as an intrinsically bad thing but, this is another argument.
Rumple4skinStoke-on-Trent, Staffordshire, England UK980 posts
WhatUwish4: Totally agree. The problem is that the Federal Government has become too big and too far-reaching. They can't manage their way out of a paper bag. Better to five more authority back to the individual states and let them govern in accordance with their specific needs. Of course, they should have a FEW guidelines set in place, but otherwise, give them a little independence to spend the money and run the programs in a manor that is more custom-tailored to their needs!@!!
I'm a keen of supporter of a Britain being run from Westminster and not Brussels. I dislike a government that attempts to encompass too much diversity and scope, so, whilst i'm supporting my national government and you are opposing your own we are both in reality arguing for the same thing.
I think many on the modern-Left perceive opposition to big-government as an excuse for government inaction - in some cases the perception would be correct - but this is not my view.
Rumple4skinStoke-on-Trent, Staffordshire, England UK980 posts
Conrad73: Governments these days are worse than Hercules' Hydra! Lope one Head off,and it will grow three!
Democratic government does broadly reflect upon the common sense of the citizens.
People are slowly but surely becoming more level-headed than before. So there is an argument, indeed, a potential to have a state that functions better than in previous times.
Rumple4skin: I'm a keen of supporter of a Britain being run from Westminster and not Brussels. I dislike a government that attempts to encompass too much diversity and scope, so, whilst i'm supporting my national government and you are opposing your own we are both in reality arguing for the same thing.
I think many on the modern-Left perceive opposition to big-government as an excuse for government inaction - in some cases the perception would be correct - but this is not my view.
Not my view either. Back to this case I'm working on now with the family who just had four children uncermoniously dropped in their lap in the middle of the night.
Imagine not having a lot of money on your own - but you just barely manage to pay the bills and you get by well enough. Then suddenly the government comes to your door with four desperately needy children (with behavioral problems). Ok...that's a good service on the face of things because these children have been taken from deplorable conditions and DO need all the help they can get.
But what happens next is that they say...Oh by the way, you and your husband have to be at OUR offices fifty miles away by 5:00 tomorrow to be finger-printed and have a background check. We don't care if you're working...we don't care that it would be much easier for you to go down to the local sheriff's office...we don't care if you need gas money...Just be there.
Then they say, "Oh yes! Federal assistance is available in the form of food stamps, etc...but you have to come back and APPLY for that and it takes six weeks to process..."
Excuse me? These children need food TOMORROW. They need clothes TOMORROW... They don't have six weeks for help and we don't have the money either.
Then they say, oh by the way...nobody can come near these children unless they have also had a criminal background check...so you can't have any help. No babysitters, no family members, no friends can come over to visit...nothing...until we approve the visitors.
This is the kind of "assistance" that our government should be doubling down on. They should have FIRST priority, not get caught up in "the system." Local agencies should control the funding - and I would suggest they would manage the money far better than the feds.,
WhatUwish4: Not my view either. Back to this case I'm working on now with the family who just had four children uncermoniously dropped in their lap in the middle of the night.
Imagine not having a lot of money on your own - but you just barely manage to pay the bills and you get by well enough. Then suddenly the government comes to your door with four desperately needy children (with behavioral problems). Ok...that's a good service on the face of things because these children have been taken from deplorable conditions and DO need all the help they can get.
But what happens next is that they say...Oh by the way, you and your husband have to be at OUR offices fifty miles away by 5:00 tomorrow to be finger-printed and have a background check. We don't care if you're working...we don't care that it would be much easier for you to go down to the local sheriff's office...we don't care if you need gas money...Just be there.
Then they say, "Oh yes! Federal assistance is available in the form of food stamps, etc...but you have to come back and APPLY for that and it takes six weeks to process..."
Excuse me? These children need food TOMORROW. They need clothes TOMORROW... They don't have six weeks for help and we don't have the money either.
Then they say, oh by the way...nobody can come near these children unless they have also had a criminal background check...so you can't have any help. No babysitters, no family members, no friends can come over to visit...nothing...until we approve the visitors.
This is the kind of "assistance" that our government should be doubling down on. They should have FIRST priority, not get caught up in "the system." Local agencies should control the funding - and I would suggest they would manage the money far better than the feds.,
yep! I am from the Government,and I am here to help!
tomcatwarneOcean City, Plumouth, Devon, England UK17,106 posts
Not my view either. Back to this case I'm working on now with the family who just had four children uncermoniously dropped in their lap in the middle of the night.
I'm sorry, but why were these children dumped on some one in the middle of the night, am I missing something here??
tomcatwarneOcean City, Plumouth, Devon, England UK17,106 posts
tomcatwarne: Not my view either. Back to this case I'm working on now with the family who just had four children uncermoniously dropped in their lap in the middle of the night.I'm sorry, but why were these children dumped on some one in the middle of the night, am I missing something here??
So anyway, I ran into the mother at the grocery store yesterday which is when I learned about her plight. I've been through this twice before with other friends so her story was not unfamiliar. My neighbor was also there and she was one of the people who this also happened to... We both immediately pitched in $50 bucks and are going to go to work today contacting the local food bank and the churches to see what kind of support we can get these people.
Generally speaking, this is where the majority of "one-on-one" assistance comes from in Amercan communities. Local churches and business... mainstream America is far, FAR kinder than big government.
Rumple4skinStoke-on-Trent, Staffordshire, England UK980 posts
WhatUwish4: Not my view either. Back to this case I'm working on now with the family who just had four children uncermoniously dropped in their lap in the middle of the night.
Imagine not having a lot of money on your own - but you just barely manage to pay the bills and you get by well enough. Then suddenly the government comes to your door with four desperately needy children (with behavioral problems). Ok...that's a good service on the face of things because these children have been taken from deplorable conditions and DO need all the help they can get.
But what happens next is that they say...Oh by the way, you and your husband have to be at OUR offices fifty miles away by 5:00 tomorrow to be finger-printed and have a background check. We don't care if you're working...we don't care that it would be much easier for you to go down to the local sheriff's office...we don't care if you need gas money...Just be there.
Then they say, "Oh yes! Federal assistance is available in the form of food stamps, etc...but you have to come back and APPLY for that and it takes six weeks to process..."
Excuse me? These children need food TOMORROW. They need clothes TOMORROW... They don't have six weeks for help and we don't have the money either.
Then they say, oh by the way...nobody can come near these children unless they have also had a criminal background check...so you can't have any help. No babysitters, no family members, no friends can come over to visit...nothing...until we approve the visitors.
This is the kind of "assistance" that our government should be doubling down on. They should have FIRST priority, not get caught up in "the system." Local agencies should control the funding - and I would suggest they would manage the money far better than the feds.,
This seems a preposterous and completely unacceptable state of affairs. It would be far better for concerned locals to deal with these issues wherever possible, applying the knowledge only they can have in that it is unique to their position.
It is my view that centralisation is occuring as a result of the diminishing sense of organic community, what we might call neighbourliness, individuals becoming so self-involved that they fail to tend to their own backyard. "Socialism" is arising out of anti-socialism.
My hope is that this recession would reinvigorate the community, now that it is more becoming more difficult to fill the void within the soul with tonnes and tonnes of stuff, people may once again turn their affections to people - not in the sense of the Humanitarian/Hippy with their abstract views of Humanity but, in the real sense of people of common bond, blood, circumstance & culture, the intrinsic peculiarities and personalities within this that give the word home its true meaning.
tomcatwarne: I agree with you, the family are being treated like criminals.
As the children have quite severe behavioural problems, in England they would be taken into care and given appropriate treatment. They would get fed and clothed whilst in care, and no expense would be put on relatives who are obviously not qualified to deal with children with these sort of behavioural problems.
As for the other indignities heaped upon then, I am amazed this can happen in your society.
Thanks for listening. Federal programs do sometimes start with the best of intentions - but usually fail miserably in the end. It's just too big and burdonsome to handle CRITICAL individual problems and there's not much accountability in the end. Politicians bury their theft and mis-use of funds under mountains of regulation... I just individual states would be better off parceling out the money to individual counties where the accountability is much greater. These public servants are your friends and neighbors. When there is a problem, you actually have a person to go to and you have the ability to boot them out if they fail in theri responsibilities.
"It is my view that centralisation is occuring as a result of the diminishing sense of organic community, what we might call neighbourliness, individuals becoming so self-involved that they fail to tend to their own backyard"
Absolutely. They are also being forced on the defensive because any "perceived" slight ends up in a lawsuit so people now have to think twice about lending a helping hand, lest it get bitten.
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For instance, your nation has communicable diseases being left untreated, running rampant because of insufficient healthcare coverage - caused by an irrational fear of the state, even where the state makes sense - whilst at the same time your government spending near matches, and your national debt outstrips, all of what you may call Socialist Europe combined. Also bare in mind here that you have less people and one common language, which should make your state inherently cheaper.