Croke Park II? (119)
sofarsogood74: My job is fun. I like it. But you would not do it as you cant seem to grasp the fact I may take 2-3 hours breaks in a day has nothing to do with how productive I am.
That's so not the point. What I imagine got Wade's ire up and what makes you sound like such a hypocrite (as well as a gormless dope who can't proof-read.) is the fact you complain about how little we work, yet you spend so much time on here in a day that you couldn't possibly be doing work at the same time.
Some Public Service jobs are task based, so the work is always there to be done, a bit like your situation. Some of us however deal with the public, so that is the crux of our job, when customers aren't in, you do what needs to be done, but what when that's done? You assume there will always be 39 hours of work to be done every week, that's just not the case in quiet workplaces, be they public or private.
You put yourself up on a pedastil because you allegedly work 55 hours a week, well maybe if you didn't waste so much time on the web you could finish earlier and have a 39 hour week, like you're getting paid for.
sofarsogood74:
Capitalist me??? You have not got a clue. I am a big believer in a fair days WORK for a fair days pay. But we are not getting a fair days work from the public service. And if you dont like your job then leave...There are 450,000 people queing up to take your place and would be happy to work a 40 hour week.
Capitalist me??? You have not got a clue. I am a big believer in a fair days WORK for a fair days pay. But we are not getting a fair days work from the public service. And if you dont like your job then leave...There are 450,000 people queing up to take your place and would be happy to work a 40 hour week.
You're no one to be talking about rash judgements you just told me well ago that I was what was wrong with the public service and that I wanted to do as little work as possible. You said this even though you have never met me and don't know my situation. I am actually in the process of re-training to work in a different career, a process that will cost me about 12,000 over the next 3 years and put me to the pin of my collar financially. Would I be doing this if I was happy with my job?
As with all your threads, you can't hack it when someone disagrees with you and resort to nasty personal attacks because your absurd non-arguments simply don't add up.
scriobhneoir: Just as well you're working in Finance and not journalism. Given the epic contribution our little aspiring CEO has made to his capitalist overlords, do you not think they could stretch to paying for lessons for you, so you could learn to speak and write English to a satisfactory level?
Maybe after we get you treated for depression, alcoholism and whatever other little things are wrong with you?
scriobhneoir: That's so not the point. What I imagine got Wade's ire up and what makes you sound like such a hypocrite (as well as a gormless dope who can't proof-read.) is the fact you complain about how little we work, yet you spend so much time on here in a day that you couldn't possibly be doing work at the same time..
And what a gormless lazy fat idiot like yourself fails to realise is I explained it like flexi time to Wade. My work come in batches. I do it in batches. I finish all my work every day which may take anything from 10 hours WORK to 14 hours WORK. The man here before me worked 8.30 to 5.30 and never got it finished. Thats why I am here and he is not. So gormless I am productive. I may take 2-3 hours in breaks a day but I still WORK at least 11 hours.
scriobhneoir: Some Public Service jobs are task based, so the work is always there to be done, a bit like your situation. Some of us however deal with the public, so that is the crux of our job, when customers aren't in, you do what needs to be done, but what when that's done? You assume there will always be 39 hours of work to be done every week, that's just not the case in quiet workplaces, be they public or private.
You put yourself up on a pedastil because you allegedly work 55 hours a week, well maybe if you didn't waste so much time on the web you could finish earlier and have a 39 hour week, like you're getting paid for.
You put yourself up on a pedastil because you allegedly work 55 hours a week, well maybe if you didn't waste so much time on the web you could finish earlier and have a 39 hour week, like you're getting paid for.
Again. My workload is always going to be about 55 hours a week. Is that so hard for you to get into your fat head.
And the kind of job it is I will get more done if I take breaks during the day and stay later and come in earlier. My employers are delighted with that set up as EVERYTHING gets done. And the facts are that there are huge waiting lists in the public service from everything from heart surgery to welfare to rent allowance to student grants. Maybe if you lot worked a 40 hour week then these waiting lists would be a lot smaller.Plus if you have not got the brains to see hwat an extra 14% productivity from every one of the 300,000 public sector employees could do for the economy then I give up.
scriobhneoir: You're no one to be talking about rash judgements you just told me well ago that I was what was wrong with the public service and that I wanted to do as little work as possible. You said this even though you have never met me and don't know my situation. I am actually in the process of re-training to work in a different career, a process that will cost me about 12,000 over the next 3 years and put me to the pin of my collar financially. Would I be doing this if I was happy with my job?
As with all your threads, you can't hack it when someone disagrees with you and resort to nasty personal attacks because your absurd non-arguments simply don't add up.
As with all your threads, you can't hack it when someone disagrees with you and resort to nasty personal attacks because your absurd non-arguments simply don't add up.
And you slag me off for not proof reading? Whats that in red?
You cant stand the fact all I asked is for our public service to be productive and work a 40 hour week. This has enraged you so much I know what kind of person you are. Only a lazy person would get enraged about having to work a normal working week.
And I dont care if you're happy in your job or not. Plenty of people hate their job. What do you want a medal? A cuddle?
If you dont like it leave and there are 450,000 people who would love to take your place.
its 1 big circle here
we wont listen to your vast knowledge
and everything we say is obviously crap
so we go down the petty insult road (which you started)
oh the joys
people made choices with work
you choose the job you wanted, you said you would not work in banking sector as money a issue with you
so your obviously chasing the euros
i with a degree from a good college in dublin in maths & chemistry
chose not to go to private sector, as i not got the interest of being that millionaire like del boy
i value job security more & a job were it does not run my life
but i am a big believer in if you sign up to a job knowing what it involves an what it incompasses, you got no right to complain
& gripe about other peoples jobs if they seem to have better working arrangements then you
would you work for the civil service on 30k for say 35 hours a week
cause at en of day, its about money
you rather work your "55 hour" week for 60k or 70 k a week
so its a choice you made & 1 i made
& we both live with it but i dont get on high horse or grip about your work etc
but alais i fear it will fall on deaf ears
i shall get a snotty reply, a personal insult & some self building up & lies about public sector
still it helps you while away time at your desk when your ment to be working, oops sorry on a break
we wont listen to your vast knowledge
and everything we say is obviously crap
so we go down the petty insult road (which you started)
oh the joys
people made choices with work
you choose the job you wanted, you said you would not work in banking sector as money a issue with you
so your obviously chasing the euros
i with a degree from a good college in dublin in maths & chemistry
chose not to go to private sector, as i not got the interest of being that millionaire like del boy
i value job security more & a job were it does not run my life
but i am a big believer in if you sign up to a job knowing what it involves an what it incompasses, you got no right to complain
& gripe about other peoples jobs if they seem to have better working arrangements then you
would you work for the civil service on 30k for say 35 hours a week
cause at en of day, its about money
you rather work your "55 hour" week for 60k or 70 k a week
so its a choice you made & 1 i made
& we both live with it but i dont get on high horse or grip about your work etc
but alais i fear it will fall on deaf ears
i shall get a snotty reply, a personal insult & some self building up & lies about public sector
still it helps you while away time at your desk when your ment to be working, oops sorry on a break
WadeWilson: its 1 big circle here
we wont listen to your vast knowledge
and everything we say is obviously crap
so we go down the petty insult road (which you started)
oh the joys
people made choices with work
you choose the job you wanted, you said you would not work in banking sector as money a issue with you
so your obviously chasing the euros
i with a degree from a good college in dublin in maths & chemistry
chose not to go to private sector, as i not got the interest of being that millionaire like del boy
i value job security more & a job were it does not run my life
but i am a big believer in if you sign up to a job knowing what it involves an what it incompasses, you got no right to complain
& gripe about other peoples jobs if they seem to have better working arrangements then you
would you work for the civil service on 30k for say 35 hours a week
cause at en of day, its about money
you rather work your "55 hour" week for 60k or 70 k a week
so its a choice you made & 1 i made
& we both live with it but i dont get on high horse or grip about your work etc
but alais i fear it will fall on deaf ears
i shall get a snotty reply, a personal insult & some self building up & lies about public sector
still it helps you while away time at your desk when your ment to be working, oops sorry on a break
we wont listen to your vast knowledge
and everything we say is obviously crap
so we go down the petty insult road (which you started)
oh the joys
people made choices with work
you choose the job you wanted, you said you would not work in banking sector as money a issue with you
so your obviously chasing the euros
i with a degree from a good college in dublin in maths & chemistry
chose not to go to private sector, as i not got the interest of being that millionaire like del boy
i value job security more & a job were it does not run my life
but i am a big believer in if you sign up to a job knowing what it involves an what it incompasses, you got no right to complain
& gripe about other peoples jobs if they seem to have better working arrangements then you
would you work for the civil service on 30k for say 35 hours a week
cause at en of day, its about money
you rather work your "55 hour" week for 60k or 70 k a week
so its a choice you made & 1 i made
& we both live with it but i dont get on high horse or grip about your work etc
but alais i fear it will fall on deaf ears
i shall get a snotty reply, a personal insult & some self building up & lies about public sector
still it helps you while away time at your desk when your ment to be working, oops sorry on a break
But you miss one huge thing Wade. The fact you and other public servants only work 32-35 hours a week is effecting ME and lots of other people. So we have the right to have an opinion on you as our tax Euro's pay your wages.
We have huge waiting lists for everything in the public service cause you lot only work a % of a normal working week and you seem to do very little when you are actually in the work place.
Plus we are having to shut beds in hospitals, cut carers respite grants, cut fuel allowance for the elderly, cut blind pensions and take money away from children because we were stuck to that stupid Croke Park deal. Now its time you lot worked for you money and did a full week. Its time we stopped giving you allowances for things like shoes and working in a yard. And its time we got value for OUR money.
I work in the private sector. My employer pays my wages. If I dont do a good job I get sacked. Its about time we had that with the public service too.
I have every sympathy for nurses. I have already stated I dont think anyone on less than 50k should have to take a pay cut and nurses already work 40 hours a week or more.
sofarsogood74: And you slag me off for not proof reading? Whats that in red?
I've read through that twice and there is no typo. Unless you count the possibility that I underused a comma as a typo.
WadeWilson: people made choices with work
you choose the job you wanted, you said you would not work in banking sector as money a issue with you
so your obviously chasing the euros
i with a degree from a good college in dublin in maths & chemistry
chose not to go to private sector, as i not got the interest of being that millionaire like del boy
i value job security more & a job were it does not run my life
you choose the job you wanted, you said you would not work in banking sector as money a issue with you
so your obviously chasing the euros
i with a degree from a good college in dublin in maths & chemistry
chose not to go to private sector, as i not got the interest of being that millionaire like del boy
i value job security more & a job were it does not run my life
Hear hear. He should suck it up and stop whinging, he has a job you enjoy, in fact he has a job to begin with, many people aren't that lucky.
scriobhneoir: I've read through that twice and there is no typo. Unless you count the possibility that I underused a comma as a typo.
You say " You just told me well ago". Whats "well ago"?
scriobhneoir: Hear hear. He should suck it up and stop whinging, he has a job you enjoy, in fact he has a job to begin with, many people aren't that lucky.
I am not whining. As a tax payer I am giving my opinion on where my taxes go. I dont think we get value from the public service and I dont think the vast majority who work in it are doing a good job.
As a tax payer I can voice that opinion. You call yourself a socialist but you wont even consider working a few extra hours to help the less well of. Those waiting on welfare, rent allowance, bus passes, medical cards, student grants. The list goes on.
You refuse to accept savings need to be made in the public sector. You would rather just hit the easy things again like welfare, old age pensions, childrens allowance, carers respite allowance than make some simple changes.
Some socialist you are.
sofarsogood74: You say " You just told me well ago". Whats "well ago"?
A perfectly acceptable colloquial term.
sofarsogood74: But you miss one huge thing Wade. The fact you and other public servants only work 32-35 hours a week is effecting ME and lots of other people. So we have the right to have an opinion on you as our tax Euro's pay your wages.
We have huge waiting lists for everything in the public service cause you lot only work a % of a normal working week and you seem to do very little when you are actually in the work place.
Plus we are having to shut beds in hospitals, cut carers respite grants, cut fuel allowance for the elderly, cut blind pensions and take money away from children because we were stuck to that stupid Croke Park deal. Now its time you lot worked for you money and did a full week. Its time we stopped giving you allowances for things like shoes and working in a yard. And its time we got value for OUR money.
I work in the private sector. My employer pays my wages. If I dont do a good job I get sacked. Its about time we had that with the public service too.
We have huge waiting lists for everything in the public service cause you lot only work a % of a normal working week and you seem to do very little when you are actually in the work place.
Plus we are having to shut beds in hospitals, cut carers respite grants, cut fuel allowance for the elderly, cut blind pensions and take money away from children because we were stuck to that stupid Croke Park deal. Now its time you lot worked for you money and did a full week. Its time we stopped giving you allowances for things like shoes and working in a yard. And its time we got value for OUR money.
I work in the private sector. My employer pays my wages. If I dont do a good job I get sacked. Its about time we had that with the public service too.
your missing the point too
politicans make policy civil servants implament it
if a idea is not thought true then its chaos
decentrailisation, hse are examples
you want numbers reducede fair enough, people who dont perform sacked fair enough
the downside is that there is a hiring embargo on i believe, so people wont be replaced, which is a problem
early retirements which is being encouraged means expierence is going, so services suffer
you want to attract private sector in to civil service or get them to join
you cant offer them money as we not got it, we can match the money
so all we can offer is work flexable hours & job security
you want to reform civil service thats fine no worries
but make sure the person or party you vote for has the ideas or talent to do it
& dont throw out the things that make the civil service attractive as a carrer for people out there
otherwise you wont attract the people
say like you, you didn't join as money was a option
sofarsogood74: I am not whining. As a tax payer I am giving my opinion on where my taxes go. I dont think we get value from the public service and I dont think the vast majority who work in it are doing a good job.
As a tax payer I can voice that opinion. You call yourself a socialist but you wont even consider working a few extra hours to help the less well of. Those waiting on welfare, rent allowance, bus passes, medical cards, student grants. The list goes on.
You refuse to accept savings need to be made in the public sector. You would rather just hit the easy things again like welfare, old age pensions, childrens allowance, carers respite allowance than make some simple changes.
Some socialist you are.
As a tax payer I can voice that opinion. You call yourself a socialist but you wont even consider working a few extra hours to help the less well of. Those waiting on welfare, rent allowance, bus passes, medical cards, student grants. The list goes on.
You refuse to accept savings need to be made in the public sector. You would rather just hit the easy things again like welfare, old age pensions, childrens allowance, carers respite allowance than make some simple changes.
Some socialist you are.
Actually I never said that. I made it quite clear that cuts should be made but only at the right areas. My point was that your interpretation of what the Public Service does is entirely incorrect. Wade and I have been saying that from day one. Unfortunately, when the fallacy of your arguments was pointed out to you, you got personal and questioned our motivation at work. When I made the mistake of pming you to privately let you know how much I abhor my job and the impact it had had on my mental health, you decided it was your place to broadcast my personal business to everyone on this site. I will be reporting that post and indeed this whole thread as I believe you only posted it to start a row. Wade and I took your thread on good faith and thought you wanted an honest debate. Unfortunately, we were wrong.
sofarsogood74: You're British. Never paid a penny Tax in the republic of Ireland so Your opinion is not worth a jot on this.
And you have obviously never worked in the public service and know nothing about it, so pray tell why should we listen to yours?
scriobhneoir: Actually I never said that. I made it quite clear that cuts should be made but only at the right areas. My point was that your interpretation of what the Public Service does is entirely incorrect. Wade and I have been saying that from day one. Unfortunately, when the fallacy of your arguments was pointed out to you, you got personal and questioned our motivation at work. When I made the mistake of pming you to privately let you know how much I abhor my job and the impact it had had on my mental health, you decided it was your place to broadcast my personal business to everyone on this site. I will be reporting that post and indeed this whole thread as I believe you only posted it to start a row. Wade and I took your thread on good faith and thought you wanted an honest debate. Unfortunately, we were wrong.
I only did that after you started insulting me so report away Scrib because they will see your persoanl insults in the posts beforehand. But maybe you're allowed thow around insults and nobody else is???
And my interpretation of the public sector is correct. Most work between 30-35 hours a week. They take more sick days than the private sector and they are always on work to rule or go slow or some other form of "action".
They are facts!
scriobhneoir: And you have obviously never worked in the public service and know nothing about it, so pray tell why should we listen to yours?
I know a lot about it and I pay taxes so my opinion matters.
sofarsogood74: I only did that after you started insulting me so report away Scrib because they will see your persoanl insults in the posts beforehand. But maybe you're allowed thow around insults and nobody else is???
And my interpretation of the public sector is correct. Most work between 30-35 hours a week. They take more sick days than the private sector and they are always on work to rule or go slow or some other form of "action".
They are facts!
And my interpretation of the public sector is correct. Most work between 30-35 hours a week. They take more sick days than the private sector and they are always on work to rule or go slow or some other form of "action".
They are facts!
Actually sofarsogood, the first person to get personal on this thread was you when you attacked both myself and Wade for just wanting an easy life, which is not true. I hate my job and look forward to the day when I can pack it in. Right now I cannot financially afford to. Wade and I were perfectly reasonable until you started your personal attacks. You do realise the last large scale Public sector strikes were in 2009 don't you? You might also remember that on that occasion Cork City Council called off planned strikes so employees could see to the needs of the public following the floods.
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Ah but Mr 1983 if you bothered reading my post you would have copped that the point I was making is that statistics can be used to prove whatever point you want them to prove.