I recall it was quite normal for men to address me as ma'am when I was in Texas... As it was not done with any intention to disrepect me... I took it in good grace.
No, doesn't bother me. It's an expression of respect. Why would I object. It's no different from saying Mrs. Lastname which I prefer anyway unless I know someone really well. I'm not a fan of calling everybody by their first name or vice versa.
A_Non_A_MooseOPWestlock, Alberta Canada4,340 posts
Abagail: I recall it was quite normal for men to address me as ma'am when I was in Texas... As it was not done with any intention to disrepect me... I took it in good grace.
I truly believe it is an address of respect. I only asked it for today I saw a woman in her,...uh,...forties,...rip a young lad in his teens a new a**hole for simply addressing her as "mam" as he served her a meal.
Me, being the raving arsehole that I am, actually wanted to tear her a "new hole" as well,....but the gentleman in me decided to not address the "lady" with my concerns regarding her attitude towrds the young and far from disrespectful lad, but rather, reassurred the somewhat shaken young man that he had done no wrong,....
A_Non_A_Moose: I truly believe it is an address of respect. I only asked it for today I saw a woman in her,...uh,...forties,...rip a young lad in his teens a new a**hole for simply addressing her as "mam" as he served her a meal.
Me, being the raving arsehole that I am, actually wanted to tear her a "new hole" as well,....but the gentleman in me decided to not address the "lady" with my concerns regarding her attitude towrds the young and far from disrespectful lad, but rather, reassurred the somewhat shaken young man that he had done no wrong,....
I think we can spend our lives concerned about the little things in life, or we can graciously accept that individuals are going to greet us differently depending on their own experiences. I am not fond of being called 'hun' ... but I tend to ignore it mostly. I certainly would not take exception to it enough to cause a scene.
A_Non_A_MooseOPWestlock, Alberta Canada4,340 posts
Abagail: I think we can spend our lives concerned about the little things in life, or we can graciously accept that individuals are going to greet us differently depending on their own experiences. I am not fond of being called 'hun' ... but I tend to ignore it mostly. I certainly would not take exception to it enough to cause a scene.
Truly. I keep asking myself,....how could he have addressed her not to have caused a kafluffle,..????
A_Non_A_MooseOPWestlock, Alberta Canada4,340 posts
Scubadiva: No, doesn't bother me. It's an expression of respect. Why would I object. It's no different from saying Mrs. Lastname which I prefer anyway unless I know someone really well. I'm not a fan of calling everybody by their first name or vice versa.
Thank you scubadiva! He was indeed a respectful young man and I appreciate your opionoin and stance.
A_Non_A_MooseOPWestlock, Alberta Canada4,340 posts
Abagail: Well, Sir... I sincerely think if you ever choose to cause a kafluffle... can you videotape it? It might provide some amusement for us.
It's a difficult situation and sometimes diplomacy does not work.
So why do men so :readily" accept "sir"? What is the equivalent for women? In the military it its "rank" or "mam". When I am addressed as "sir", it immediately forces me to correct my posture, ppump my chest, and display the ruggedly handsome features that earned that monicker,....yet today, I saw a woman in her mid-fortiies admonish a polite young lad in his mid-teens for adressing her as "mam". I talked to the lad, but ha I not been inuniform I might have sinply said,.......well......let's not go there,...
What should he have said ,......besides,.....forgive me,.. other than "Moooo"
A_Non_A_Moose: So why do men so :readily" accept "sir"? What is the equivalent for women? In the military it its "rank" or "mam". When I am addressed as "sir", it immediately forces me to correct my posture, ppump my chest, and display the ruggedly handsome features that earned that monicker,....yet today, I saw a woman in her mid-fortiies admonish a polite young lad in his mid-teens for adressing her as "mam". I talked to the lad, but ha I not been inuniform I might have sinply said,.......well......let's not go there,...
What should he have said ,......besides,.....forgive me,.. other than "Moooo"
This might be Jac's field of expertise actually, however ... I can say that times have changed. We often lose perspective of old fashioned values because they are just that... 'old fashioned'. We want to leave them behind and be considered 'new age'.
I have addressed men as "Sir" and they have told me that "Sir" was their father, not them... and often they will introduce themselves by name after it. ( At times I wish they wouldn't... Trying to remember 'said' name is often difficult)
I do not believe a woman or a man has the right to publically admonish someone without due cause. A personal grievance with how one addresses you is not due cause, it's unacceptable.
I am not sure... that mooing at her would have been acceptable. She is probably lucky that the young man didn't utter a profanity at her.
A_Non_A_MooseOPWestlock, Alberta Canada4,340 posts
Abagail: This might be Jac's field of expertise actually, however ... I can say that times have changed. We often lose perspective of old fashioned values because they are just that... 'old fashioned'. We want to leave them behind and be considered 'new age'.
I have addressed men as "Sir" and they have told me that "Sir" was their father, not them... and often they will introduce themselves by name after it. ( At times I wish they wouldn't... Trying to remember 'said' name is often difficult)
I do not believe a woman or a man has the right to publically admonish someone without due cause. A personal grievance with how one addresses you is not due cause, it's unacceptable.
I am not sure... that mooing at her would have been acceptable. She is probably lucky that the young man didn't utter a profanity at her.
LOL! I would have nevered "mooed" at her,....lol,...but she did indeed make me that mad!!
First name works, rank works,.....but sir NEVER bothers me. Any man that rejects being addressed as sir,...well,....maybe they should NOT be addressed as such and realize it,....lol! So,....if I had to pass on to the young lad what "term" instills respect in women,....?????
Should he have just smiled? Or not tried to "address" her? Hey I can remember when Mrs. Miss and Ms confusion used to be problematic,....in the world of men, Mr. or sir works,......can you see our confusion,...mam,...miss, ms,...hun....uh,....Abagail (and remember,...he had NO first name to work with!)
A_Non_A_Moose: LOL! I would have nevered "mooed" at her,....lol,...but she did indeed make me that mad!!
First name works, rank works,.....but sir NEVER bothers me. Any man that rejects being addressed as sir,...well,....maybe they should NOT be addressed as such and realize it,....lol! So,....if I had to pass on to the young lad what "term" instills respect in women,....?????Should he have just smiled? Or not tried to "address" her? Hey I can remember when Mrs. Miss and Ms confusion used to be problematic,....in the world of men, Mr. or sir works,......can you see our confusion,...mam,...miss, ms,...hun....uh,....Abagail (and remember,...he had NO first name to work with!)
Nothing can beat experience, Mr Moose. While some women will not take exception to being addressed as such, others will indeed take exception. There is no 'get out of jail' card in society these days... What works for one, may not work for another.
However, I would have reminded her that acting like a banshee was probably not doing any justice for her cause.
A_Non_A_MooseOPWestlock, Alberta Canada4,340 posts
asha69: you would think that, that generation would appreciate good manners really woud'nt you? i would have tipped him for that,i think womens lib has gone too far and i love a guy to treat a lady like a lady and im not old fashioned.like in schools here they call the teacher by their first names, when i was in school in england it was mr or mrs whatever their last names were, showed respect.is it the way things are going or society to blame?
I truly was taken aback today! He was all of maybe sixteen years, a genuine smile,....and the "female" just hammered him for his politeness!! GRRRRRR! Deleted,...expletive, expletive delted and then I wanted to,...$&$&&& to,....nah,...I told the lad to shake it off, he sniled, life is good,....
OkieChic: for the most if someone is trying to get your attention, what else are they going to say? "hey you", "what's your name"?
it doesn't bother me one little bit
They smile and say, 'Hi, how are you today?' It's like Joey's "How you doin'?" That's how separate the young men who are interested and being flirtatious from those who are disinterested but respectful. That's American young men. Other cultures have other ways, but if they are calling you 'mam,' or 'senora,' or the like, it is probably just politeness, not interest. Nothing wrong with it. Good manners are a good thing.
A_Non_A_Moose: Sir does not bother me in the least when addressed as such,....but hey gals,...does it "bother" you when someone addresses you as "mam"??
Not as long as the person saying it is actually one of my children.
In response to: Sir does not bother me in the least when addressed as such,....but hey gals,...does it "bother" you when someone addresses you as "mam"??
If you go down to Kentucky and Tennessee they do refer to women as being Mam.
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