In memory of Lee Rigby (18)
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Nice one check mate.
check_mate: http://youtu.be/1vRJyjevRao
actually did my training with some members of THE RRF brave men as was lee
We will remember all those past, present and future that are murdered in this way. And every member of the fifth column, Muslim and non-Muslim alike, will be made to pay for what they have done.
Just tragic that those brave boys
have to return to the UK to be murdered!
totally agree with your comment!
have to return to the UK to be murdered!
totally agree with your comment!
Obstinance_Works: We will remember all those past, present and future that are murdered in this way. And every member of the fifth column, Muslim and non-Muslim alike, will be made to pay for what they have done.
Brings to mind the speech of
Enoch Powell Birmingham 1968
As its far too long for the amount of
words allowed on a post.
Here is a part of it.
"For these dangerous and divisive elements the legislation proposed in the Race Relations Bill is the very pabulum they need to flourish. Here is the means of showing that the immigrant communities can organise to consolidate their members, to agitate and campaign against their fellow citizens, and to overawe and dominate the rest with the legal weapons which the ignorant and the ill-informed have provided. As I look ahead, I am filled with foreboding; like the Roman, I seem to see "the River Tiber foaming with much blood."
That tragic and intractable phenomenon which we watch with horror on the other side of the Atlantic but which there is interwoven with the history and existence of the States itself, is coming upon us here by our own volition and our own neglect. Indeed, it has all but come. In numerical terms, it will be of American proportions long before the end of the century.
Only resolute and urgent action will avert it even now. Whether there will be the public will to demand and obtain that action, I do not know. All I know is that to see, and not to speak, would be the great betrayal".
Enoch Powell Birmingham 1968
As its far too long for the amount of
words allowed on a post.
Here is a part of it.
"For these dangerous and divisive elements the legislation proposed in the Race Relations Bill is the very pabulum they need to flourish. Here is the means of showing that the immigrant communities can organise to consolidate their members, to agitate and campaign against their fellow citizens, and to overawe and dominate the rest with the legal weapons which the ignorant and the ill-informed have provided. As I look ahead, I am filled with foreboding; like the Roman, I seem to see "the River Tiber foaming with much blood."
That tragic and intractable phenomenon which we watch with horror on the other side of the Atlantic but which there is interwoven with the history and existence of the States itself, is coming upon us here by our own volition and our own neglect. Indeed, it has all but come. In numerical terms, it will be of American proportions long before the end of the century.
Only resolute and urgent action will avert it even now. Whether there will be the public will to demand and obtain that action, I do not know. All I know is that to see, and not to speak, would be the great betrayal".
All good comments. I tend to think (and hope) that it is true that most British Muslims have been advised by some Muslim leaders and adhere to the principal they should show loyalty not only to their faith but primarily to the UK if this is their residence and that this should not be overshadowed by foreign policy. I read at least 82% of British Muslims felt loyalty to the UK whereas another article written in America suggested a much lower figure for British Muslims and Muslims in other countries overall suggesting the loyalty of British Muslims to Islam was higher. Who is more correct the British survey or American survey? I know which one I choose until proven otherwise and let's not forget the many Muslim personnel serving in the armed forces. 
"For hundreds of years Muslim soldiers, sailors and more recently airmen have valiantly served, fought and died as part of the British Armed Forces. Hundreds of thousands volunteered to fight in both World Wars and today hundreds continue to serve in the British Armed Forces. These brave men and women are ordinary serving personnel and are found on every garrison and in every unit, in the Army, the Navy and Air Force, Regular and Reserve, commissioned officers and across the rank range from private soldier to 2* Rear Admiral.
British Armed Muslim Forces is dedicated to their service and sacrifice in defence of Great Britain and in the service of peace and stability throughout the World as a force for good.
The British Armed Forces Muslim Association provides a single point of contact for serving and retired British Military personnel to learn about and participate in events and activities which maximise the unique contribution of the British Armed Forces Muslim Personnel."
British Armed Muslim Forces is dedicated to their service and sacrifice in defence of Great Britain and in the service of peace and stability throughout the World as a force for good.
The British Armed Forces Muslim Association provides a single point of contact for serving and retired British Military personnel to learn about and participate in events and activities which maximise the unique contribution of the British Armed Forces Muslim Personnel."
May he rest in peace.
As the perteprators have been caught and are behind bars, all we can hope for since the death panalty IMO was wrongly abolished, is that the maximum sentences possible Life will be handed down to mean life wspecifying that no remission will be granted at any time.
BUT My answer is the same as that of 50 of my ex RAF colleagues. We think they should face a Firing squad without any blindfold as it is the cheapest and most humiliating method of death.
I for one would happily volunteer to set up the machine gun and empty a full magazine into each then throw the bodies in sacks weighted by 50 Kilo of cement into the North sea about Near the Norwegian trench where at around 600-700 metres it is at its deepest.
As the perteprators have been caught and are behind bars, all we can hope for since the death panalty IMO was wrongly abolished, is that the maximum sentences possible Life will be handed down to mean life wspecifying that no remission will be granted at any time.
BUT My answer is the same as that of 50 of my ex RAF colleagues. We think they should face a Firing squad without any blindfold as it is the cheapest and most humiliating method of death.
I for one would happily volunteer to set up the machine gun and empty a full magazine into each then throw the bodies in sacks weighted by 50 Kilo of cement into the North sea about Near the Norwegian trench where at around 600-700 metres it is at its deepest.
Have to disagree with the waste of cement
and the pollution of the North Sea !
Incinerate them that is well rid, Alive
I will gladly light the match.
Sailfree1: Have to disagree with the waste of cement
and the pollution of the North Sea !
Incinerate them that is well rid, Alive
I will gladly light the match.
and the pollution of the North Sea !
Incinerate them that is well rid, Alive
I will gladly light the match.
Well if you wanna go that far why not use a flame thrower - It would be cheaper and instantaneous then sweep up the ashes and send them in a UAV with Pakistani markings and a 1 Megaton Nuke aboard to the palace of Ayatollah Ali Khamenei in Iran.
Dandelion, Hmmm maybe, maybe not. The phrase does not appear in the speech.
"Though Powell referred to the speech as "the Birmingham speech", it is otherwise known as the "Rivers of Blood" speech, a title derived from its allusion to a line from Virgil's Aeneid. Although the phrase "rivers of blood" does not appear in the speech, the name alludes to the line, "As I look ahead, I am filled with foreboding; like the Roman, I seem to see 'the River Tiber foaming with much blood.'"
Good old wiki!
Sailfree, I'm not sure what you mean by what we see daily on the streets of England because it is business as usual!
HIM, whilst I understand where you are coming from, Lee Rigby's family issued statements about not wanting reprisals and distanced themselves from any extremist groups but your'e 'comradery' to armed services is noted and respected.
Cheers all
"Though Powell referred to the speech as "the Birmingham speech", it is otherwise known as the "Rivers of Blood" speech, a title derived from its allusion to a line from Virgil's Aeneid. Although the phrase "rivers of blood" does not appear in the speech, the name alludes to the line, "As I look ahead, I am filled with foreboding; like the Roman, I seem to see 'the River Tiber foaming with much blood.'"
Good old wiki!
Sailfree, I'm not sure what you mean by what we see daily on the streets of England because it is business as usual!
HIM, whilst I understand where you are coming from, Lee Rigby's family issued statements about not wanting reprisals and distanced themselves from any extremist groups but your'e 'comradery' to armed services is noted and respected.
Cheers all
We will remember all those past, present and future that are murdered in this way. And every member of the fifth column, Muslim and non-Muslim alike, will be made to pay for what they have done.[/quote
Agreed,what they should have done,.is march them to the barracks,.and let our lads sort them out,.
Agreed,what they should have done,.is march them to the barracks,.and let our lads sort them out,.
hayley12: We will remember all those past, present and future that are murdered in this way. And every member of the fifth column, Muslim and non-Muslim alike, will be made to pay for what they have done.[/quote
Agreed,what they should have done,.is march them to the barracks,.and let our lads sort them out,.
Agreed,what they should have done,.is march them to the barracks,.and let our lads sort them out,.
Now you are talking!
Thats a superb way to sort them out.
The squadies would be more than happy
to do that task.
check-mate
I have not been in the UK since Dec
last year.
Then I did see a lot of depravation
and not happy at all at the gangs that
seemed to hang around looking intimadating.
Yes very much loyal to the armed forces as
the other half served for a very long time
in many dangerous places. Now it appears the
most dangerous place is the streets when they
are off duty.
I just say Bless the family of all who have been
killed in action, or murdered for no good reason.
I have not been in the UK since Dec
last year.
Then I did see a lot of depravation
and not happy at all at the gangs that
seemed to hang around looking intimadating.
Yes very much loyal to the armed forces as
the other half served for a very long time
in many dangerous places. Now it appears the
most dangerous place is the streets when they
are off duty.
I just say Bless the family of all who have been
killed in action, or murdered for no good reason.
check_mate: Dandelion, Hmmm maybe, maybe not. The phrase does not appear in the speech.
"Though Powell referred to the speech as "the Birmingham speech", it is otherwise known as the "Rivers of Blood" speech, a title derived from its allusion to a line from Virgil's Aeneid. Although the phrase "rivers of blood" does not appear in the speech, the name alludes to the line, "As I look ahead, I am filled with foreboding; like the Roman, I seem to see 'the River Tiber foaming with much blood.'"
Good old wiki!
Sailfree, I'm not sure what you mean by what we see daily on the streets of England because it is business as usual!
HIM, whilst I understand where you are coming from, Lee Rigby's family issued statements about not wanting reprisals and distanced themselves from any extremist groups but your'e 'comradery' to armed services is noted and respected.
Cheers all
"Though Powell referred to the speech as "the Birmingham speech", it is otherwise known as the "Rivers of Blood" speech, a title derived from its allusion to a line from Virgil's Aeneid. Although the phrase "rivers of blood" does not appear in the speech, the name alludes to the line, "As I look ahead, I am filled with foreboding; like the Roman, I seem to see 'the River Tiber foaming with much blood.'"
Good old wiki!
Sailfree, I'm not sure what you mean by what we see daily on the streets of England because it is business as usual!
HIM, whilst I understand where you are coming from, Lee Rigby's family issued statements about not wanting reprisals and distanced themselves from any extremist groups but your'e 'comradery' to armed services is noted and respected.
Cheers all
I do believe colloquiolisms (?) are allowed? That is what, it seems, the speech has become known as.....
I am aware of the statements made by Lee Rigby's family and I wholeheartedly agree. I do not believe retaliation is the approach. I believe it serves to lower ourselves to the standards of the perpetrators and I feel we can rise above that and maintain the moral high ground. Nowhere in my previous post have I advocated any kind of retaliation.
As Churchill spoke of in the last WW, whatever an opponent throws at us, physically or mentally, we need to maintain that our spirit is not broken. Once 'they' have broken one's spirit, 'they' have won! I am convinced that what held this country together is that we did not succumb to broken spirits.......
Retaliation is not the way, that is what these perpetrators aim at and we should not give them the satisfaction. Hatred begets hatred begets.... and so on. It becomes a cycle that cannot be broken.
Finally, yes, although I have an element of 'pacifist' in me, I am a realist and I know human beings and real life is not like that. War is (apart from the big business element, of course) is sometimes necessary, sadly.
For some of the previous posts, please don't confuse revenge with justice.......
check_mate: Dandelion, Hmmm maybe, maybe not. The phrase does not appear in the speech.
"Though Powell referred to the speech as "the Birmingham speech", it is otherwise known as the "Rivers of Blood" speech, a title derived from its allusion to a line from Virgil's Aeneid. Although the phrase "rivers of blood" does not appear in the speech, the name alludes to the line, "As I look ahead, I am filled with foreboding; like the Roman, I seem to see 'the River Tiber foaming with much blood.'"
Good old wiki!
Sailfree, I'm not sure what you mean by what we see daily on the streets of England because it is business as usual!
HIM, whilst I understand where you are coming from, Lee Rigby's family issued statements about not wanting reprisals and distanced themselves from any extremist groups but your'e 'comradery' to armed services is noted and respected.
Cheers all
"Though Powell referred to the speech as "the Birmingham speech", it is otherwise known as the "Rivers of Blood" speech, a title derived from its allusion to a line from Virgil's Aeneid. Although the phrase "rivers of blood" does not appear in the speech, the name alludes to the line, "As I look ahead, I am filled with foreboding; like the Roman, I seem to see 'the River Tiber foaming with much blood.'"
Good old wiki!
Sailfree, I'm not sure what you mean by what we see daily on the streets of England because it is business as usual!
HIM, whilst I understand where you are coming from, Lee Rigby's family issued statements about not wanting reprisals and distanced themselves from any extremist groups but your'e 'comradery' to armed services is noted and respected.
Cheers all
Sorry, no idea what happened there.... glitch in the works?!
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