Where would the world be now if Adam & Eve didn't eat the fruit? (69)
theD0CT0R: Reminds me of Monkey. Wasn't he banished from the Heavens for eating all the fruit?
Monkey, great sage, equal to Heaven
Monkey, great sage, equal to Heaven
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Really good point there. The key is humans have free will, have a concept of good and evil which separates them from the rest of creations.
CuddlingSoul: Before sin ? The garden was the most beautiful, most acceptable place that people could possibly have. Everything was perfect in the garden. Now, outside of the garden was the rest of the world that was inhabited by fallen angles and of course Satan wondered into the garden and lied to Eve and convinced her to disobey... I believe that God allowed sin to corrupt the creation of man and woman, so we could have free will to choose, so our eyes could be opened to good as well as evil. To have the ability to one day, someday, be worthy to join God in heaven as part of the family of God. Without the knowledge of good and evil, we would have been on the same level as the animals that were created.
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Libby53: Really good point there. The key is humans have free will, have a concept of good and evil which separates them from the rest of creations.
can you explain to me the difference between good and evil?
Also you are assuming we have free will and also you are assuming only humans understand the concept.
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ooooooooooh Adam and Eve got fruit..??? 
..all i get is dry crackers 
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skippyguy: ooooooooooh Adam and Eve got fruit..??? ..all i get is dry crackers
I think they were passing-around microchips with microdip here, earlier. 
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CuddlingSoul: I think they were passing-around microchips with microdip here, earlier.
mmmmmmmm Microdip, *Puts a spark in your step..:)*
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Libby53: Really good point there. The key is humans have free will, have a concept of good and evil which separates them from the rest of creations.
As a being of volitional consciousness, knows that he must know his own value in order to maintain his own life. He knows that he has to be right; to be wrong in action means danger to his life; to be wrong in person, to be evil, means to be unfit for existence . . . No man can survive the moment of pronouncing himself irredeemably evil; should he do it, his next moment is insanity or suicide.
“Man has been called a rational being, but rationality is a matter of choice—and the alternative his nature offers him is: rational being or suicidal animal. Man has to be man—by choice; he has to hold his life as a value—by choice; he has to learn to sustain it—by choice; he has to discover the values it requires and practice his virtues—by choice. A code of values accepted by choice is a code of morality.”
The standard of value of the Objectivist ethics—the standard by which one judges what is good or evil—is man’s life, or: that which is required for man’s survival qua man.
Since reason is man’s basic means of survival, that which is proper to the life of a rational being is the good; that which negates, opposes or destroys it is the evil. Since everything man needs has to be discovered by his own mind and produced by his own effort, the two essentials of the method of survival proper to a rational being are: thinking and productive work.
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Conrad73: As a being of volitional consciousness, knows that he must know his own value in order to maintain his own life. He knows that he has to be right; to be wrong in action means danger to his life; to be wrong in person, to be evil, means to be unfit for existence . . . No man can survive the moment of pronouncing himself irredeemably evil; should he do it, his next moment is insanity or suicide.
“Man has been called a rational being, but rationality is a matter of choice—and the alternative his nature offers him is: rational being or suicidal animal. Man has to be man—by choice; he has to hold his life as a value—by choice; he has to learn to sustain it—by choice; he has to discover the values it requires and practice his virtues—by choice. A code of values accepted by choice is a code of morality.”
The standard of value of the Objectivist ethics—the standard by which one judges what is good or evil—is man’s life, or: that which is required for man’s survival qua man.
Since reason is man’s basic means of survival, that which is proper to the life of a rational being is the good; that which negates, opposes or destroys it is the evil. Since everything man needs has to be discovered by his own mind and produced by his own effort, the two essentials of the method of survival proper to a rational being are: thinking and productive work.
“Man has been called a rational being, but rationality is a matter of choice—and the alternative his nature offers him is: rational being or suicidal animal. Man has to be man—by choice; he has to hold his life as a value—by choice; he has to learn to sustain it—by choice; he has to discover the values it requires and practice his virtues—by choice. A code of values accepted by choice is a code of morality.”
The standard of value of the Objectivist ethics—the standard by which one judges what is good or evil—is man’s life, or: that which is required for man’s survival qua man.
Since reason is man’s basic means of survival, that which is proper to the life of a rational being is the good; that which negates, opposes or destroys it is the evil. Since everything man needs has to be discovered by his own mind and produced by his own effort, the two essentials of the method of survival proper to a rational being are: thinking and productive work.
Uh huh...
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Sure glad you all still call him LIGHTBRINGER(BEARER)!
Both were punished for enlightening Humanity!
Monkey, great sage, equal to Heaven