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Dec 11, 2006 6:49 PM CST If you have a goal for the near future...
Algarion
AlgarionAlgarionPatras, West Greece Greece191 Threads 3,492 Posts
...and feel that you can't reach it (that's what you feel in the inside) but the others tell you that you are doing good, what you would do? Would you continue? It might seem a funny question but has anyone felt that he is not going well towards his goals, even the others tell him that he is great?
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Dec 11, 2006 7:11 PM CST If you have a goal for the near future...
FindMe1113
FindMe1113FindMe1113Bronx, USA12 Threads 1,494 Posts
Often times, you as a person cannot see yourself as others do.

The reason you may feel that you are not reaching the goals that you have set for youself is maybe because you would like it to happen instantaneously, and more times than not, goals takes time to accomplish.

If others in your life can see an advancement on your part towards your goals, then take it to heartcool
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Dec 11, 2006 7:14 PM CST If you have a goal for the near future...
littlesparkplug
littlesparkpluglittlesparkplugCanton, USA84 Threads 466 Posts
Do what you are great at as long as it does not break the law, you are great at something go for it dude, Brad
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Dec 11, 2006 7:16 PM CST If you have a goal for the near future...
Integraverence
IntegraverenceIntegraverence25 Threads 1,422 Posts
I'm going to the beach! And I will reach it...oh yes, I will.

yay
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Dec 11, 2006 7:17 PM CST If you have a goal for the near future...
manny3
manny3manny3Sydney, New South Wales Australia13 Threads 301 Posts
everyone thinks the worst about themselves... its kinda human nature - u just have to realise this n try ur best to be confident in ur abilities :)
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Dec 11, 2006 7:23 PM CST If you have a goal for the near future...
Algarion
AlgarionAlgarionPatras, West Greece Greece191 Threads 3,492 Posts
I know it's human nature but i try to avoid that. But this one brought me to my limits. You can't imagine how difficult is for a chemist to deal with Quantum Physics. I mean in the University we haven't been trained neither on mathematics nor physics. And now i study alone, with noone to help me and it's really difficult...Everyday i find out that i know nothing...And that will be the subject of my Ph.D!!!! And i come to think that i will compete with professionals who know a great deal of Physics and Mathematics and i will me always in the bottom...
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Dec 11, 2006 7:34 PM CST If you have a goal for the near future...
saguaro
saguarosaguaroGlendale, Arizona USA39 Threads 1,979 Posts
Everytime I look in the mirror buddy.
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Dec 11, 2006 7:55 PM CST If you have a goal for the near future...
Abracadabra
AbracadabraAbracadabraHeaven, Pennsylvania USA117 Threads 5,120 Posts
I think you need to look at what you "real" goals are.

I too majored in Chemistry. I found the quantum world quite fascinating. However, at the time my real goal was to become a Research Veterinary Doctor. My major interest was in the mechanism of viruses. I understood them very well and felt that I might have a really good shot at finding ways to combat the AIDS virus.

Well, in college I majored in Chemistry. But the idea was to go from there to medical school. There were many obstacles. Most of which were totally unnecessary academic bull sh*t. They were just making me jump through hoops to pay my dues to get a degree. Much of what they were making me do was not helping toward my goal at all, in fact it was distracting from it in the worst way!

I grit my teeth and bit the bullet and decided that I would beat the system despite the fact that it was working against me instead of with me. But unfortunately I became ill in my senior year. I contracted mononucleosis during a flu epidemic at our campus. My mono when undiagnosed and passed off as the common flu. My ability to focus, study, and maintain an alertness in class was so badly impeded that I ended up flunking out. My QPA dropped from 3.8 to 1.8 in one semester! I financially lost my grant because of it and that was the end of that.

The goal was entirely out of my financial reach at that point no matter what I was willing to do. You just can't have goals that cost more money that you can afford to spend.

Fortunately, I was able to get a job as chemist's assistant at a research lab in spite of the fact that I had failed to obtain my degree. My abilities were recognized and within the first year of employment I was promoted to a technologist and given my own lab. I became to work on chemical problems. However, in industry you don't solve them with equations like you do in a college. You do it by trial and error. Yes! It's true! It's simply cheaper to just do a whole bunch of experiments and just use the ones that work. I was disappointed in this and basically tried on my own time to calculate the ultimate chemistry. I was actually doing pretty well at it and I was being recognized for the results I was producing.

However, I had also been educated in electronics. Even before I went to college I had taken a two-year course in electronics. Both digital and analog. Because of that, along with my mechanical abilities (I had also worked as a tool and die maker as a youth), I began to build automated test equipment in my labs to help with my chemistry experiments. Well, when the management saw my homebrewed, automated and computer-interfaced test equipment then were awestruck. So they immediately pulled me off the chemistry experiments and had me start building automated test equipment for them.

So while my initial goal in life was to find a cure for AIDS and many other virus-related diseases, things worked out quite differently and I basically ended up designing and building automated scientific test equipment . That ended up being the bulk of my adult career. I built test equipment for everything from Inertial Guidance Systems, to Radiological equipment for hospitals.

So I'm not so sure how important goals are anymore.

Also, with respect to the Quantum Physics there's really nothing to understand. If you can calculate the probabilities that's all there is to it. NOBODY understands why the probabilities work! NOBODY! If you find the answer to that you will be the next Einstein. To use quantum physics all you need to do is be able to calculate the probabilities. That's it. That's all there is to it.
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Dec 11, 2006 7:58 PM CST If you have a goal for the near future...
Mike1162
Mike1162Mike1162Over the Rainbow, Pennsylvania USA80 Threads 2,062 Posts
What I have done is set a major goal. "The Big Picture"

Then set smaller goals to get me there. This way when one of the smaller goals can't be reached there's always the big picture goal which is the end goal still ahead.

When a smaller goal can't be reached another smaller goal is created that I work towards. When a smaller goal is reached then I know that I have made it one goal closer to the big picture goal. And then I set, and work on getting to the next smaller goal.

To answer your question: If you set a smaller goal for yourself and don't think you are getting to goal quick enough or not going to get to goal at all and people are telling you that you are doing great then listen to them. Listen to positive feedback and make adjustments in either your smaller goal or your thinking. The same goes for negative feedback also. Listen to the feedabck and make adjustments to get you to the big picture goal.
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Dec 11, 2006 8:06 PM CST If you have a goal for the near future...
Algarion
AlgarionAlgarionPatras, West Greece Greece191 Threads 3,492 Posts
Thank you for being in pains to right this whole text. I 've read it and i found it very informative. But you know what the problem is? Quantum Chemistry is quite difficult area. Especially for the Chemist. All the things you 've learned in Chemistry are suddenly not useful...And you need to know other things. Mathematics, tensor algebra, analysis, electrodynamics, Molecular Orbital Theory, Calculus of variations, Molecular Dynamics, Hilbert Spaces, Matrix Algebra,Vector Spaces, non-linear optics, Interaction of Molecules with electromagnetic fields....AND WERE IS CHEMISTRY? I mean there is nohing great to make an experiment, get some results and put them in a graph...Anyway that was not the point...The point is that a worthy goal is always difficult...
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Dec 11, 2006 8:07 PM CST If you have a goal for the near future...
Algarion
AlgarionAlgarionPatras, West Greece Greece191 Threads 3,492 Posts
tHANK YOU FOR YOUR FEEDBACKcheers
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Dec 11, 2006 9:03 PM CST If you have a goal for the near future...
Abracadabra
AbracadabraAbracadabraHeaven, Pennsylvania USA117 Threads 5,120 Posts
Most of what you seek can be found in one book:

"Mathematics of Classical and Quantum Physics" by Byron and Fuller.

It's a paperback Dover book.

And no, it's not easy stuff! I'm currently studying this myself and I use many other books as supplements. In fact, my physics and mathematics library currently contains 69 textbooks. I just now counted them. grin Although I may have missed a few laying around. I might add that about a third of them are Schaum's Outlines. Most of the others are Dover publications, along with some hardcover college textbooks.

I also have quite a few instructional videos. The Teaching Company has some good courses. You can Goggle them. I have Feynman Lectures on QED as well as a lot of NOVA documentaries and other videos.

I'm not sure what your "goal" is, but if you goal is to know all of this stuff inside and out I personally think that your goal is unrealistic. No one person knows it all. You need to pick and chose and find your way around. I don't think it's humanly possible for a single person to know all of this stuff. There's just too much information to take it all in. You just do the best you can.

If I were in your situation my only "goal" would be to get my Ph.D. and to be perfectly honest about it I would get it doing the least amount of work I could possible do. Your REAL education will start AFTER you get your Ph.D. anyway!

Best wishes in whatever you chose to do. cheers
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Dec 11, 2006 9:54 PM CST If you have a goal for the near future...
RainbowSlider
RainbowSliderRainbowSliderYellville, USA211 Threads 9,404 Posts
Cool, The Socratic approach.thumbs up
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Dec 12, 2006 4:19 AM CST If you have a goal for the near future...
Algarion
AlgarionAlgarionPatras, West Greece Greece191 Threads 3,492 Posts
Thank you Abra...Thank you very much!!!!!hug cheers applause
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