Christianity and 21st century Ireland (39)
jt972: I asked have you officially denounced your
Faith in writing?
As for what you believe you are? By your
Beliefs or lack of them we should be refered
To as just a body, one that functions but just
A body
Faith in writing?
As for what you believe you are? By your
Beliefs or lack of them we should be refered
To as just a body, one that functions but just
A body
JT, you are very aggressive and make personal attacks and assumptions about the belief systems of others of others, just because they are not the same as yours.
Whether I filed a defectio ab ecclesia catholica actu formali is my own business and not yours.
As I said already, you look after your own soul, and I'll look after mine.
mollybaby: JT, you are very aggressive and make personal attacks and assumptions about the belief systems of others of others, just because they are not the same as yours.
Whether I filed a defectio ab ecclesia catholica actu formali is my own business and not yours.
As I said already, you look after your own soul, and I'll look after mine.
Whether I filed a defectio ab ecclesia catholica actu formali is my own business and not yours.
As I said already, you look after your own soul, and I'll look after mine.
And here you are making personal attacks
On me, I'm in no way being aggressive how
Can you tell aggression from words printed?
There's no swearing are anything of the sort
I've made no assumptions just asked questions
To which you have the right to ignore but it helps
Prove what the author has said, you're weak
It's a weak person that won't answer simple questions
Or debate, that's Enda kenny style
great topic yeats, all humans are hypocrites! im trying to think of that henry rollins quote about how we are all really hypocrites. cant think of though. we will all change our views at the drop of a hat so that we get a slice of the pie. its simple human nature. values are very good for us and important to, but dont be afraid to change your views or be influenced by others. the church is deeply embedded in irish culture, and probably always will be to some degree, even though i think its rapidly losing many of its controls, which is probably a good thing. i attend church now and again in the manner you mention, family gatherings etc, please bare in mind, im an atheist. i do so to share these experiences with my family and friends. its a social thing, a life sharing experience, a mark of respect. the church has brought a lot of good things to our country. i was saddened to hear my local church was facing closure a couple of years ago, it plays an extremely important role in my community. im glad it was saved.
thelad2007: great topic yeats, all humans are hypocrites! im trying to think of that henry rollins quote about how we are all really hypocrites. cant think of though. we will all change our views at the drop of a hat so that we get a slice of the pie. its simple human nature. values are very good for us and important to, but dont be afraid to change your views or be influenced by others. the church is deeply embedded in irish culture, and probably always will be to some degree, even though i think its rapidly losing many of its controls, which is probably a good thing. i attend church now and again in the manner you mention, family gatherings etc, please bare in mind, im an atheist. i do so to share these experiences with my family and friends. its a social thing, a life sharing experience, a mark of respect. the church has brought a lot of good things to our country. i was saddened to hear my local church was facing closure a couple of years ago, it plays an extremely important role in my community. im glad it was saved.
It's easy to follow fashions and trends and
Trends come and go and when the church
Grows strong again, and it will! The flock will
Come back bleating down the aisles for their
Slice of the pie as you put well
Very sad to hear about your church community's
Would be dead without them, how's it faring since
It closed
jt972: It's easy to follow fashions and trends and
Trends come and go and when the church
Grows strong again, and it will! The flock will
Come back bleating down the aisles for their
Slice of the pie as you put well
Very sad to hear about your church community's
Would be dead without them, how's it faring since
It closed
Trends come and go and when the church
Grows strong again, and it will! The flock will
Come back bleating down the aisles for their
Slice of the pie as you put well
Very sad to hear about your church community's
Would be dead without them, how's it faring since
It closed
'followers of fashion', is actually a human behavior trait. it exists in us all. some call this the 'herd mentality'. some are more susceptible to than others but it exists in us all.
you could be right about the church but im not convinced. i do think it ll always exist though in some format. as people roam the planet more and more, start accepting different views and ways of life, i do think this could be a stumbling block for the existence of the church in its current format.
our church survived, for the moment anyway
thelad2007: 'followers of fashion', is actually a human behavior trait. it exists in us all. some call this the 'herd mentality'. some are more susceptible to than others but it exists in us all.
you could be right about the church but im not convinced. i do think it ll always exist though in some format. as people roam the planet more and more, start accepting different views and ways of life, i do think this could be a stumbling block for the existence of the church in its current format.
our church survived, for the moment anyway
you could be right about the church but im not convinced. i do think it ll always exist though in some format. as people roam the planet more and more, start accepting different views and ways of life, i do think this could be a stumbling block for the existence of the church in its current format.
our church survived, for the moment anyway
That's good to hear, the church has had
Darker days in this country sure didn't it
Come up against worse tyrants when the
English were here? Masses said in forests
Caves, behind bushes
We still bounced back because you can't
Kill off a good thing because it comes
From our mighty creator
jt972: That's good to hear, the church has had
Darker days in this country sure didn't it
Come up against worse tyrants when the
English were here? Masses said in forests
Caves, behind bushes
We still bounced back because you can't
Kill off a good thing because it comes
From our mighty creator
Darker days in this country sure didn't it
Come up against worse tyrants when the
English were here? Masses said in forests
Caves, behind bushes
We still bounced back because you can't
Kill off a good thing because it comes
From our mighty creator
ive moved on the 'english effect', i feel its unhealthy for us to hold onto such things. we ve become our own, but thankfully we ve found some sort of common ground with our neighbours. interesting to come across evidence of our religious past hidden in our countryside. very important to preserve this evidence.
well i cant really argue with your last statement, but as always, hes your creator and ive no problem with that as long as you respect my opinions on the matter
thelad2007: ive moved on the 'english effect', i feel its unhealthy for us to hold onto such things. we ve become our own, but thankfully we ve found some sort of common ground with our neighbours. interesting to come across evidence of our religious past hidden in our countryside. very important to preserve this evidence.
well i cant really argue with your last statement, but as always, hes your creator and ive no problem with that as long as you respect my opinions on the matter
well i cant really argue with your last statement, but as always, hes your creator and ive no problem with that as long as you respect my opinions on the matter
I wasn't knocking the English was just highlighting
The resilience of the church
I respect your opinions because you gave them
Without arrogance and with manners
You're not a sneer
Some replies have pointed to the idea that the Church is embedded in our culture and that is one of the major reasons people still use them - I thought this myself. Afterall, culture is hard to change. But I just can't accept that though...Surely if people have come to belief that the Church really means nothing for them nowadays, the cultural aspect should be easier to overcome.
Some people have pointed out that it is merely a business transaction...I can't agree with that either. I don't think that when people decide to christen their child or get married, they simply look on it as a business transaction.
I suppose the "respect for others" is the one that probably holds most weight. However, I think that's the easy answer. I can see the argument that people will attend these events out of respect for others. However, that simply doesn't answer why people decide to actually mark these life events with the Church as part of the celebration. I know Molly and Thelad have said they would not do this. However, for me, they would clearly be in a minority.
JT hit on an interestng point....an insurance policy. I think this is an interesting idea. A lot of people don't like to sign up for donor cards, as they think it may be "testing faith." I think that quite a number of people get children christened due to fear. I think the same people will have a Christian funeral and burial due to the same fear...
Some people have pointed out that it is merely a business transaction...I can't agree with that either. I don't think that when people decide to christen their child or get married, they simply look on it as a business transaction.
I suppose the "respect for others" is the one that probably holds most weight. However, I think that's the easy answer. I can see the argument that people will attend these events out of respect for others. However, that simply doesn't answer why people decide to actually mark these life events with the Church as part of the celebration. I know Molly and Thelad have said they would not do this. However, for me, they would clearly be in a minority.
JT hit on an interestng point....an insurance policy. I think this is an interesting idea. A lot of people don't like to sign up for donor cards, as they think it may be "testing faith." I think that quite a number of people get children christened due to fear. I think the same people will have a Christian funeral and burial due to the same fear...
Yeats1980: Some replies have pointed to the idea that the Church is embedded in our culture and that is one of the major reasons people still use them - I thought this myself. Afterall, culture is hard to change. But I just can't accept that though...Surely if people have come to belief that the Church really means nothing for them nowadays, the cultural aspect should be easier to overcome.
Some people have pointed out that it is merely a business transaction...I can't agree with that either. I don't think that when people decide to christen their child or get married, they simply look on it as a business transaction.
I suppose the "respect for others" is the one that probably holds most weight. However, I think that's the easy answer. I can see the argument that people will attend these events out of respect for others. However, that simply doesn't answer why people decide to actually mark these life events with the Church as part of the celebration. I know Molly and Thelad have said they would not do this. However, for me, they would clearly be in a minority.
JT hit on an interestng point....an insurance policy. I think this is an interesting idea. A lot of people don't like to sign up for donor cards, as they think it may be "testing faith." I think that quite a number of people get children christened due to fear. I think the same people will have a Christian funeral and burial due to the same fear...
Some people have pointed out that it is merely a business transaction...I can't agree with that either. I don't think that when people decide to christen their child or get married, they simply look on it as a business transaction.
I suppose the "respect for others" is the one that probably holds most weight. However, I think that's the easy answer. I can see the argument that people will attend these events out of respect for others. However, that simply doesn't answer why people decide to actually mark these life events with the Church as part of the celebration. I know Molly and Thelad have said they would not do this. However, for me, they would clearly be in a minority.
JT hit on an interestng point....an insurance policy. I think this is an interesting idea. A lot of people don't like to sign up for donor cards, as they think it may be "testing faith." I think that quite a number of people get children christened due to fear. I think the same people will have a Christian funeral and burial due to the same fear...
This fear is understandable but it's using Christianity
Without giving anything back and it's laughable
That most of these people sni**er at the concept
Of a powerful god then still turn to him
Even the great James Connolly an unbeliever
With a respect for the church asked to be
Anointed before his execution
The truly evil allister Crowley when breathing
His last breaths uttered his mind was a muddle
He obviously believed in christs power if he
Believed in satan, was he flustered because
He was finally going to be judged by his maker
As he lay in his bed on a flat calm day the net
Curtains of his bedroom blew wildly once his
Last breath was taken then stopped
jt972: If they truly don't believe in god what have they
To feel guilty of?
They most likely do believe and feel guilty
About the selfish routes they took in life
To feel guilty of?
They most likely do believe and feel guilty
About the selfish routes they took in life
A person who has reflected on the path they chose and has insight to aware to make changes for themselves and others may not be born out of fear that they will be. Judged by God but more out of love,understanding of themselves and others ...course we can't generalise .
As humans we have a conscience ,whatever a persons higher power is ,is personal ,
God to me is love and a coming together for the good of ,,,an atheist may be living a life of unconditional unselfish acts and my view is that everyone should be welcome into any church where there is a gathering of people joined together in a happy Union it has a ripple effect when it is fir the good of and this is where God of my understanding is no matter where that gathering is church or not ,
Topkaz: A person who has reflected on the path they chose and has insight to aware to make changes for themselves and others may not be born out of fear that they will be. Judged by God but more out of love,understanding of themselves and others ...course we can't generalise .
As humans we have a conscience ,whatever a persons higher power is ,is personal ,
God to me is love and a coming together for the good of ,,,an atheist may be living a life of unconditional unselfish acts and my view is that everyone should be welcome into any church where there is a gathering of people joined together in a happy Union it has a ripple effect when it is fir the good of and this is where God of my understanding is no matter where that gathering is church or not ,
As humans we have a conscience ,whatever a persons higher power is ,is personal ,
God to me is love and a coming together for the good of ,,,an atheist may be living a life of unconditional unselfish acts and my view is that everyone should be welcome into any church where there is a gathering of people joined together in a happy Union it has a ripple effect when it is fir the good of and this is where God of my understanding is no matter where that gathering is church or not ,
Haha that was meant to type to make changes for themselves for the better of that would have an impact on others in a positive way ,,I typed changed others ,,no we cannot change a person that is up to each one of us to do for ourselves if we do so wish ,,,
Just to say we are human we can learn from mistakes but are they really mistakes if a person learns by them ,,
Topkaz: Haha that was meant to type to make changes for themselves for the better of that would have an impact on others in a positive way ,,I typed changed others ,,no we cannot change a person that is up to each one of us to do for ourselves if we do so wish ,,,
Just to say we are human we can learn from mistakes but are they really mistakes if a person learns by them ,,
Just to say we are human we can learn from mistakes but are they really mistakes if a person learns by them ,,
Wrong wording ' changes for ourselves.
Topkaz: Wrong wording ' changes for ourselves.
Actions change people more than words
The action of the couple on the late late
Show recently I would imagine inspired
Many
They chose to have their precious child
Even though they were told the child
Would only live for an hour
jt972: Actions change people more than words
The action of the couple on the late late
Show recently I would imagine inspired
Many
They chose to have their precious child
Even though they were told the child
Would only live for an hour
The action of the couple on the late late
Show recently I would imagine inspired
Many
They chose to have their precious child
Even though they were told the child
Would only live for an hour
You picked me up wrong I meant I typed the word incorrect of course it's about actions rather than words .
Topkaz: You picked me up wrong I meant I typed the word incorrect of course it's about actions rather than words .
How many children do you have JT?jt972: No but it's a nice concept, I'm not god
Just a mere mirtal
so u pick n choose what suits u?Just a mere mirtal
fifitrixibelle: so u pick n choose what suits u?
No I don't but I do my best to be more
Moral, god loves a trier as the saying goes
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" Pay your respect in the funeral hall..."A soul is what you believe you are, apart from your physical body
I asked have you officially denounced your
Faith in writing?
As for what you believe you are? By your
Beliefs or lack of them we should be refered
To as just a body, one that functions but just
A body